Kevin Rudd can fukk right off with this sh"t... He's just an Aussie Nick Griffin spouting sh!t like this... I've said this before, and I'll say it again....

 

White Australians who bang on about the "culture" of Australia, seem to forget that the Culture of Australia was, historically speaking, Aborigine... You know, the "Abos" that Rudd's fukkin' grandparents and ancestors did their damndest to fukkin' EXTERMINATE, or did you just miss out on that whole "Stolen Generations" thing which even Hitler and Mengele would've been proud of........? <_< The Australian Govt were, and still are to a large degree, a bunch of barely suppressed NAZI C/UNTS.......

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stolen_Generation

 

And of course it was a bloody Right Wing/Political push, what the hell do you think Colonialism/Imperialism and ETHNIC FUKKIN' CLEANSING is if not totally POLITICAL.... :angry: The facts are, a white, Christian, IMMIGRANT population oppressed a black indigenous one (just like in South Africa and Zimbabwe where white MINORITIES oppressed Black MAJORITIES), Kevin Rudd has no right to speak on this issue at all frankly, because his ancestors, and he, benefitted from what the land had to offer, well, actually, it was more like benefitting at someone else's expense in reality..... <_< The Bali bombings happened for reasons far more complex than ignorant tw@ts like Rudd could possibly comprehend...

 

So, yeah, you went to work in Qatar... And, er, pay any tax did you....? I dont think so, and I'd be willing to be that this suited you right down to the ground.... So, tell me, Craig, why should you have have any kind of say in a society which you have no stake in...? You didn't put into the system mate.... All these guys here who have been building and planning Mosques are, generally speaking, successful Muslim businessmen who want to give back to their communities.... Well, what's wrong with that....? These are people who, unlike yourself in Qatar, are actually paying into the system and contributing to society, so that DOES give them a right to an opinion and a say in how that society is run.....

 

As a great man once said - "NO TAXATION, WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!" :rolleyes:

Woah Woah Woah.

 

You did not just compare Griffin to Rudd :o

 

Griffin is a racist.

 

K Rudd is a fantastic politician. He studied in China, he is prime minister of a country that thrives off the immigrants it has from Europe and Asia. He is NOT a racist.

 

There are bloody good reasons Australia are the most developed country not in a recession, and K Rudd is one of them. In Australia the Rudd government is actually doing a lot to help Aboriginal comunities, pouring money into schemes to help them improve their health [They typically die around 20years earlier than white Australians] they have given so much land back to the Aboriginal communities as well. In WA [Western Australia] there was a Uranium mine company who wanted to mine a section of land and were denied, because the aboriginal trust who owned the land blocked it. The WA and Federal Governments backed the trust.

 

You can sit and whine as much as you want about the stolen generations, but you can't ignore the progress made by Australians since then. And lets be quite brutal here. There is a reasonable chance you were related to someone who was involved in the stolen generations. From what i have been told [was a while back so not too sure if i was being told the truth i was quite wee] i am distantly related to Ned Kelly. So there is a chance that someone i am distantly related to was involved in the Stolen Generations. You can't hold people accountable for things that were done by their grandparents.

 

Would you agree to someone holding a relative of yours accountable for the slave trade and the way slaves were treated if you had a relative who captained a ship which transported slaves?

In any case this is all flawed because Kevin Rudd didn't say that speech! :lol:

free speech?.... does that include nick griffin then? :lol: it seems that you are only allowed free speech as long as everyone sings from the same hymn sheet which kinda makes a mockery of the concept in the first place.

i DO wish some people would actually READ what i put before replying. Where have I called for Griffin to be banned from the airwaves?

The race card is thrown around like confetti though, I was accused of being a racist last night when there was no racism from me but at the same time the BNP is flourishing because politicians on ALL sides are too PC to take the bull by the horns and tackle the immigration issue and it is a very important issue and anyone that does bring up immigration is straight away branded a racist and that is what is making the BNP flourish

 

Again you are assuming everyone that supports the BNP is automatically a racist, they are not in all cases by any means, they are just ordinary hard working people from all walks of life who are frustrated with the inability of politicians to break away from the PC fluff and have a strong national debate about the issue, extremist parties are not even on the map in Australia which is probably the most multi cultural country in the world, why ? because Aussie politicians are less PC and are prepared to have a serious blunt debate about the issue, labour and the tories start grabbing the bull by the horns the BNP will overnight almost go back to being a few hundred neo nazi's gathering in a hall

 

well it's well known fact that the BNP are a racist party but probaly not every member is racist but what the BNP stand for is pretty racist, all of their politicans seem to be racist, if i met a member on the street, i'd probaly assume.

Anyway I will no longer be posting in this thread or any topic because I am not allowed to have my own opinon because it seems a mod of this forum is rather FASCIST about his views and will not let anyone spread their views without ABUSING them by telling them to grow up and call their comments 'idiotic' and then if they would retaliate to that they would get a warning for ASBUSE, which the mod done in the first place. It is a shame really because the other mod is not a dictating c**t and allow other people to give their views without dismissing their comments.

 

It seems because I have an opinon different to someone elses I cant post in this forum, WHICH IS MADE TO SHOW OPINONS.

you say you support the BNP existing, but also according to you violence should not exist and anything that is violent does not get your support, and you were calling me and Scott hypocrites? this was a point I already made anyway, but as Scott pointed out you were just incredibly dismissive of me, it's good at least one mod of this forum can debate properly without just passing actual decent points off as 'idiotic comments'.

 

obviously the BNP arent going to publically say they support violence, but its basically a well known fact that they do regulary attack people due to the colour of their skin, Griffin maybe hasnt but I know for a fact that, his personal bodyguard, and the leader of the Young BNP have.

 

oh lord.... well by your standards then i wouldnt support the anti bnp protesters because you and scott think violence is ok by them! ... but its YOU two that were the hypocrits, as i didnt say they shouldnt exist! its exactly the same with the bnp... IF they supported violence then of course id object to it.... you say 'officially' they dont, but infer that secretly they do! wheres the evidence? yes some members are violent thugs, but NOT ALL. does 'united' support violence because a minority of fans cause trouble?.... NO.

 

 

i DO wish some people would actually READ what i put before replying. Where have I called for Griffin to be banned from the airwaves?

 

sorry, who said you did? i used your quote as a general point, not as an oposing view to you.

 

Anyway I will no longer be posting in this thread or any topic because I am not allowed to have my own opinon because it seems a mod of this forum is rather FASCIST about his views and will not let anyone spread their views without ABUSING them by telling them to grow up and call their comments 'idiotic' and then if they would retaliate to that they would get a warning for ASBUSE, which the mod done in the first place. It is a shame really because the other mod is not a dictating c**t and allow other people to give their views without dismissing their comments.

 

It seems because I have an opinon different to someone elses I cant post in this forum, WHICH IS MADE TO SHOW OPINONS.

 

throw your toys out the pram then... kinda proves my point .:lol:

 

pillock..... there are plenty of views opposing mine here, but unlike others you dont seem intelligent enough to support your views, are others 'not allowed' their views?... :lol:

 

 

well it's well known fact that the BNP are a racist party but probaly not every member is racist but what the BNP stand for is pretty racist, all of their politicans seem to be racist, if i met a member on the street, i'd probaly assume.

 

Immigration is the most important issue facing Britain today and the BNP are benefitting because the other parties are pussyfooting around trying to be politically correct and are therefore sweeping the immigration issue under the carpet

 

The BNP manifesto on immigration is actually a pretty good one but it is watered down from what their real agenda is and if they got into power the manifesto would be torn up and ethnic cleansing would begin, we are educated and intelligent enough to understand the real BNP but most voters aren't, they see the immigration manifesto and agree with it without being intelligent enough to know the BNP are really nazi's in suits

 

It is up to the main parties to bring in sensible policies on immigration and really address the issue

well it's well known fact that the BNP are a racist party but probaly not every member is racist but what the BNP stand for is pretty racist, all of their politicans seem to be racist, if i met a member on the street, i'd probaly assume.

 

 

lol... make your mind up, thet are either racist or they arnt! if someone is a member of a racist party they MUST support racism ergo they are racist!

lol... make your mind up, thet are either racist or they arnt! if someone is a member of a racist party they MUST support racism ergo they are racist!

 

Umm... not at all?

 

Like Craig said, ALOT of people who vote BNP and probably even some people who are members 'support' the BNP on their immigration policy without realising what they are getting into. Like Craig said, their imigration policy is actually a pretty good one and basically on par with the tories, but my support of thisone small part does not mean I support the BNP and fortunatley I am educated enough to see past it for what they really are.

 

Oh, and while we're at it warning Chris for 'verbal abuse' was really quite pathetic. How does one verbally abuse someone over a forum? I was always under the impression verbal = mouth. Scond of all, how has he 'abused' you other than bringing up your complete hypocrisy for clearly supporting the BNP's policies yet claiming not too?

Negative comments about particular ethnic groups IS racist, you cant sterotype and generalise them all, if you walk down the street and see someone from a particular ethnic group and think those comments, you are prejudice against that ethnic group.

 

Maybe it is the attitude that allows the BNP to exist, but what shall we all just become racists to stop the BNP from existing? which would make us basically a BNP country.

 

but theres a difference between 'negetive' comments and realistic comments...

 

if the ethnic kids in a class test all come bottom of the table, it ISNT racist to say they came bottom! but it would be racist to say they were bottomm BECAUSE they are black! thats the difference... i dont think its racist to say that the majority white indiginous population created britain as we know it, ITS A FACT.

 

craigs right, the 'racist' card is played well too often and mostly (like on this thread) inappropriately, and its THIS fear that IS allowing the bnp support to proliferate.

Umm... not at all?

 

Like Craig said, ALOT of people who vote BNP and probably even some people who are members 'support' the BNP on their immigration policy without realising what they are getting into. Like Craig said, their imigration policy is actually a pretty good one and basically on par with the tories, but my support of thisone small part does not mean I support the BNP and fortunatley I am educated enough to see past it for what they really are.

 

Oh, and while we're at it warning Chris for 'verbal abuse' was really quite pathetic. How does one verbally abuse someone over a forum? I was always under the impression verbal = mouth. Scond of all, how has he 'abused' you other than bringing up your complete hypocrisy for clearly supporting the BNP's policies yet claiming not too?

 

oh so hes gone crying to his buddies eh?... christ the kids on here<_<

 

i posted a warning telling everyone that one liners were not permissable and he in particular seemed to be spoiling for a fight without supporting what he said.

 

and if YOU keep suggesting that i support the bnp i WILL warn you too..

 

FOR THE LAST TIME, I DO NOT, NEVER HAVE AND PROBABLY NEVER WILL SUPPORT THE BNP

throw your toys out the pram then... kinda proves my point .:lol:

 

pillock..... there are plenty of views opposing mine here, but unlike others you dont seem intelligent enough to support your views, are others 'not allowed' their views?... :lol:

 

and WHO THE f*** ARE YOU EXACTLY to pass off my comments as 'idiotic' and tell me to 'grow up' and that I am not intelligent enough, you really arent helping yourself much, just coming across as my of an arse, infact who the f*** are you to warn me for 'verbal abuse' when you are the one who was abusive towards me first, which is not the right attitude when you are the mod of this f***ing forum, I know for a fact that Scott would never warn someone, especially if he was in the wrong first, and tbh you should of probaly consulted him before you warned me.

 

It is a shame that when i report a post in this forum it reports it to you,

 

You have been completly insulting to me and it's uneeded, even your co-mod pointed it out how you were very dissmissive of my comments, just showing how you dont seem to let anyone properly debate with you, and its not just this topic or forum, as many people have pointed out before.

 

Sadly I'm not one too take $h!t, so I am going to have to report you to a GM or Admin.

 

Good thing Grimly doesnt sink so low as to just dismiss other peoples comments and insult them, otherwise this forum would be pointless.

Careful sticking up for me Chris, we might be accused of 'running and crying' again :rolleyes:

 

Rob, your points of view throughout this topic have made SEVERAL people question you for supporting the BNP or at least some of it's policies and that is only the SECOND time I have bought it up within valid reason. Frankly, I would like to see you warn me for that so I could go running to someone who can actually do something about it, because your one sided, un-debateable attitude throughout this topic has made me seriously question your role as moderator of this forum. I used to think you could actually.. y'know.. DEBATE without shouting down others for having a different viewpoint, but clearly Grimly is the only one around here capable of having a serious debate with anyone.

Craig, you are f***ing insane if you think the BNP's immigration policies are spot on. PAYING people to leave? PAYING people who are contributing so much to our economy to leave? Their policies haven't changed with the recession, and their policies would economically ruin us - how else do you think we managed such an economic boom between 2004 and 2007?

Craig, you are f***ing insane if you think the BNP's immigration policies are spot on. PAYING people to leave? PAYING people who are contributing so much to our economy to leave? Their policies haven't changed with the recession, and their policies would economically ruin us - how else do you think we managed such an economic boom between 2004 and 2007?

 

from the BNP manifesto

 

Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally - FULLY 100% agree

 

Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British - Absolutely, common sense

 

Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate - Again common sense

 

Offer generous grants to those of foreign descent resident here who wish to leave permanently - Good idea, those that have a good living here and are hard working would stay, freeloaders and scroungers would love the handout

 

Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases - Absolutely, we should bring in the Australian style points system as the SOLE source of new immigration

 

Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain - 100% agree, they have to fly across several European nations to reach here let them get off at one of those countries

 

Those policies are not racist they are pure common sense and practical, any of the mainstream parties bought them in they would get my vote, I will not support the BNP because they have a hidden neo nazi agenda but their published immigration policies are good

 

I would go further than that, I would bring in 24 months electronic tagging of new immigrants so they can be easily tracked, this would help kerb illegal immigration

 

I would make learning and being able to speak English a condition of residence in the UK, every immigrant would be given a 12 month probationary visa and after 12 months must take an English test to see they are competent in English, if they fail they are retested after 3 months and fail again they are deported if they pass then they get permanant visa

Edited October 27, 200915 yr by B.A Baracus

from the BNP manifesto

 

Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally - FULLY 100% agree

 

Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British - Absolutely, common sense

 

Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate - Again common sense

 

Offer generous grants to those of foreign descent resident here who wish to leave permanently - Good idea, those that have a good living here and are hard working would stay, freeloaders and scroungers would love the handout

 

Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases - Absolutely, we should bring in the Australian style points system as the SOLE source of new immigration

 

Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain - 100% agree, they have to fly across several European nations to reach here let them get off at one of those countries

 

Those policies are not racist they are pure common sense and practical, any of the mainstream parties bought them in they would get my vote, I will not support the BNP because they have a hidden neo nazi agenda but their published immigration policies are good

Why ought we deport all of those who are here illegally? They are adding to our economy just as much as others - in fact, if they're here illegally then it will be purely of benefit to our economy! They can't exactly 'scrounge' if they're illegal can they? ;) An amnesty would be the way forward for those.

 

I would go for a three-strikes rule on the second one...

 

The third one is common sense, obviously, but this is a point the BNP aren't alone on - the Lib Dems have this point as well I think?

 

NOT a good idea on the fourth one. There would be horrific amounts of pressure (be it spoken or unspoken) to actually take the grant and go (let's face it - in itself it implies that foreigners are not wanted here!), the cost would be prohibitive and the action would almost certainly destroy our economy AND our reputation as a welcoming and tolerant society.

 

The points system seems like a good idea but for our economy it really isn't - the vast benefits that immigrants bring to our economy come through offering labour that, frankly, the British are far too arrogant to take on. How many points would you need to qualify as a fruit-picker for example?

 

And the measure on rejecting people who fly over other countries is ridiculous as well - you have such immigrant-hostile nations as Italy (the actions that Berlusconi has taken on gypsies and immigrants are absolutely despicable and smack of Nazism), and these places would see big increases in immigration - which would in turn lead to crackdowns in those countries, leading to no immigration. ALL of our economies would suffer for the sake of closed-minded xenophobia...

 

Those policies may not be racist (well, apart from the payment one, which is implicitly racist), but they aren't common sense OR practical either.

 

I would go further than that, I would bring in 24 months electronic tagging of new immigrants so they can be easily tracked, this would help kerb illegal immigration

 

I would make learning and being able to speak English a condition of residence in the UK, every immigrant would be given a 12 month probationary visa and after 12 months must take an English test to see they are competent in English, if they fail they are retested after 3 months and fail again they are deported if they pass then they get permanant visa

Surely if they're new immigrants then they are de facto not illegal? You're making a massive generalisation there Craig, do you even have any figures on how many new immigrants become illegal due to visa renewal dodging or are you assuming entirely on what the tabloids tell you that a majority of them do? :P

 

The latter point I agree with in principle, but we have to provide the services for them to actually learn English...with the recession, funds for English classes for immigrants have been slashed massively so that it is almost impossible for them to do so. We're setting them targets that they cannot reach...I would agree to that final point if the funding was in place for English lessons.

from the BNP manifesto

 

Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain - 100% agree, they have to fly across several European nations to reach here let them get off at one of those countries

Sorry, just remind me where your ancestors came from. Was it from a country with a land border with Britain? No, I thought not.

 

That policy is completely barmy. It would mean that the number of countries expected to accept asylum seekers (or refugees as we used to call them before the likes of the Daily Express changed the vocabulary) would be very low. It would have meant that Britain could have said to jewish refugees fleeing Nazi Germany "sod off and go to Switzerland". Would that have been the right thing to do?

May I ask a hypothetical question here please. If someone said here that they were a BNP supporter and voted for them and supported all their policies, would they be banned from Perspectives or Buzzjack? Don't see why they would be as they're a legal political party on ballot papers but just wondered.

Edited October 27, 200915 yr by Crazy Chris

Sorry, just remind me where your ancestors came from. Was it from a country with a land border with Britain? No, I thought not.

 

That policy is completely barmy. It would mean that the number of countries expected to accept asylum seekers (or refugees as we used to call them before the likes of the Daily Express changed the vocabulary) would be very low. It would have meant that Britain could have said to jewish refugees fleeing Nazi Germany "sod off and go to Switzerland". Would that have been the right thing to do?

 

You are nit picking Suedehead, you are talking about stuff from WW2 with genocide and millions of people being massacred, can you name a country with close proximity to Europe where anything like that is going on ? you are comparing apples with oranges mate, using genocide and ethnic extermination in mainland Europe is a very poor example not to mention the European treaty of Rome that we signed for allows for full freedom of movement and labour within EU countries

 

If say Pakistan invaded India and millions were dying etc then the situation would have to be looked at with regards changing provisions but that is not happening, a mass movement of non EU refugees for war reasons is not on the cards

 

I am a bit tipsy so ewill reply to your long post tomorrow Tyron