How many people actually watch The Box?

 

Well i dunno. But it is a music channel ;)

Where is Alesha Dixon's To Love Again gonna chart next week do you think?

Somewhere along the lines of Let's Get Exited (#15 - 20) but I think it'll have a better chart run.

How many people actually watch The Box?

*puts hand up* maybe you should have asked who doesn't watch the box. :P

I think the reason little boots hasnt done so well recently is there has been a massive influx of these young British girls who are all quite talented but i think people are just bored of them now.

Oh what, like that massive influx of retro 60s soul girls that was popular for about two/three years? Or that massive influx of generic indie bands that were popular for about five endless years?

 

Statements like these are just ridiculous sexism, it's nothing to do with the fact that they're young talented British girls - none of them are generic, they aren't conflicting with each others' markets (as the indie bands often did, but still managed to last for ages trend-wise...). People don't just BORE of young talented genders just because there are a lot of them, and musical trends don't just die after six or so months...it's probably far more to do with the fact that they all have one song which the public has taken to very much, but for some inexplicable reason cannot follow up on. For Little Boots I'm sure promo is the issue as Every Little Earthquake is the kind of thing that should be smashing down the top 5 - hello, catchy as hell chorus and song generally in fitting with the genre in vogue at the moment? - but people just aren't at all taking to it :mellow: La Roux, understandable as she f***ed up things by demanding the non-entity of a song I'm Not Your Toy be released. Florence and the Machine seems to be just as popular as ever, but she seems to be far more an album than a singles artist...and with Pixie, she managed a severely front-loaded second number one (hardly her fault there, that one's due to the record label...), and if her third single flops it will come of choosing the underwhelming Cry Me Out rather than any unpopularity seeing as basically every teenage girl I know adores her.

 

Oh, what's this massive influx? :lol: Four? I truly do despair of the British population if that's their reason for going off all four, although as I said I really do doubt that's the reason.

I think this too. Within a couple of months we had Little Boots, Pixie Lott and La Roux all appeared within weeks of each other, each vying for the same sort of audience and competing for recognition and to establish themselves. For the casual music fan they are a bit interchangeable. They are all in the shadow of the much more distinct Florence who has the added benefit of building up to where she is now.

 

I think there is room for them all, but launching at the same sort of time wasn't helpful.

Vying for the same sort of audience? :huh: In what way are La Roux and Pixie vying for the same audience? La Roux carries far more of an 'indie' (in the independent label use of the phrase rather than the genre use) sensibility vibe, more akin to that of Florence and the Machine, than Pixie does. La Roux seems to be going for the NME and blogger audience (and has done so fairly well). Little Boots is far more of a sophisticate, although her label made a big error in choosing to launch her so late so that most of the hype around her had died down and with New In Town rather than Remedy (to say nothing of the abortion that was the New In Town video). The main problem with Little Boots is that her campaign has no focus at all - it isn't immediately obvious what audience she's aiming herself at (another failing of Atlantic there...). She's equally going for the Popjustice/blog audience as well as the pop princess niche which Pixie has more than secured, and she's been destroyed by the other three in doing so (Florence having specialised in the blogs and the NME audience, but in a different fashion to La Roux) as a jack-of-all-trades yet master of none due to her promotion, whereas her campaign looked like it was going to have a degree of focus with the kinds of songs she was launching herself with this time last year...

 

...Even so, I'm SHOCKED there is seemingly no room for Every Little Earthquake in a musical climate such as this :/

'Earthquake' is flopping because Little Boots is not promoting it. I've heard it on the radio enough times, but it won't do anything unless she or label really go after a hit. 'Remedy' proved that there is space for her, and there is - especially with Florence essentially being an albums artist. She's not the harsh, wacky La Roux, and she's not the perfect-pop-princess Pixie. Do some promo or watch it flop.

It's funny that Miley/Hannah are having success on the charts simultaneously on the charts. :kink:

Edited November 14, 200915 yr by Tacticz

Pop bars to see how close Gaga is to Robster. Anyway, Hannah is moving up slowly currently at 68.

 

Sugababes down to #9

 

 

Oh what, like that massive influx of retro 60s soul girls that was popular for about two/three years? Or that massive influx of generic indie bands that were popular for about five endless years?

 

Statements like these are just ridiculous sexism, it's nothing to do with the fact that they're young talented British girls - none of them are generic, they aren't conflicting with each others' markets (as the indie bands often did, but still managed to last for ages trend-wise...). People don't just BORE of young talented genders just because there are a lot of them, and musical trends don't just die after six or so months...it's probably far more to do with the fact that they all have one song which the public has taken to very much, but for some inexplicable reason cannot follow up on. For Little Boots I'm sure promo is the issue as Every Little Earthquake is the kind of thing that should be smashing down the top 5 - hello, catchy as hell chorus and song generally in fitting with the genre in vogue at the moment? - but people just aren't at all taking to it :mellow: La Roux, understandable as she f***ed up things by demanding the non-entity of a song I'm Not Your Toy be released. Florence and the Machine seems to be just as popular as ever, but she seems to be far more an album than a singles artist...and with Pixie, she managed a severely front-loaded second number one (hardly her fault there, that one's due to the record label...), and if her third single flops it will come of choosing the underwhelming Cry Me Out rather than any unpopularity seeing as basically every teenage girl I know adores her.

 

Oh, what's this massive influx? :lol: Four? I truly do despair of the British population if that's their reason for going off all four, although as I said I really do doubt that's the reason.

 

:blink: wow at that.

 

Its not sexism atall. If you oversupply any market, demand goes down.

 

Tbh, i can't really be bothered to go into this because it will just end up as a big issue with everyone defending their favourite artist so there's no point.

 

I believe that at any one time, you can only have so many successful male soloists, girl groups, rock bands etc. Its not sexism atall, its just that for someone to be successful, they need to stand out from the others. The music market will always get what it wants and will always get rid of what it doesn't.

Edited November 14, 200915 yr by andyboiuk

 

iTunes Popularity Bars

 

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:blink: wow at that.

 

Its not sexism atall. If you oversupply any market, demand goes down.

 

Tbh, i can't really be bothered to go into this because it will just end up as a big issue with everyone defending their favourite artist so there's no point.

 

I believe that at any one time, you can only have so many successful male soloists, girl groups, rock bands etc. Its not sexism atall, its just that for someone to be successful, they need to stand out from the others. The music market will always get what it wants and will always get rid of what it doesn't.

No, it won't go into an issue with everyone defending their favourite artist...while I love all three/four artists involved, I am acutely aware of their faults and won't ever slavishly defend them when I see them to be clearly doing something wrong :P

 

However, the difference is that you are overgeneralising the market. La Roux caters to an entirely different market from the one Pixie caters to. Hence, La Roux existing isn't going to be taking market share away from Pixie. You can't have too many talented GIRLS, it is pure sexism to state it is because of their sex. You can't have only so many successful male soloists as the market is varied for them also - Robbie Williams doesn't infringe upon Taio Cruz's market, nor does he infringe upon Tinchy Stryder's market. Taio Cruz however could impinge upon Tinchy Stryder. You are correct though - I would agree that you can have only so many successful rock bands and girl groups, because by and large they all go for the same audience (girl groups don't necessarily have to but they do tend to all peddle the same genre of music). However, you are overgeneralising TALENTED YOUNG GIRLS DOING MUSIC as a genre when it clearly isn't, and it really isn't the reason why some of them are in a downturn at the moment :P

No, it won't go into an issue with everyone defending their favourite artist...while I love all three/four artists involved, I am acutely aware of their faults and won't ever slavishly defend them when I see them to be clearly doing something wrong :P

 

However, the difference is that you are overgeneralising the market. La Roux caters to an entirely different market from the one Pixie caters to. Hence, La Roux existing isn't going to be taking market share away from Pixie. You can't have too many talented GIRLS, it is pure sexism to state it is because of their sex. You can't have only so many successful male soloists as the market is varied for them also - Robbie Williams doesn't infringe upon Taio Cruz's market, nor does he infringe upon Tinchy Stryder's market. Taio Cruz however could impinge upon Tinchy Stryder. You are correct though - I would agree that you can have only so many successful rock bands and girl groups, because by and large they all go for the same audience (girl groups don't necessarily have to but they do tend to all peddle the same genre of music). However, you are overgeneralising TALENTED YOUNG GIRLS DOING MUSIC as a genre when it clearly isn't, and it really isn't the reason why some of them are in a downturn at the moment :P

 

surely there is only one reason why all good music is flopping right now;

 

Simon Cowell

I never said pixie was catering to the same market as la roux or that robbie williams was catering to the same market as taio cruz.

 

I think the reason pixie isnt doing so well is because little boots is around aswell and not long ago it was adele. Joss Stone has also flopped recently. To me, in my personal opinion, i am off these kind of artists because they arent unique anymore. There are too many and even if only one comes up every so often, the last one is still kind of hovering.

Edited November 14, 200915 yr by andyboiuk

AAG down to #9.. stupid weekend effect. -_-

AAG down to #9.. stupid weekend effect. -_-

 

This weekend effect thing is mad. People are strange lol

 

 

I think the reason pixie isnt doing so well is because little boots is around aswell and not long ago it was adele.

Surely it's the other way round? Pixie's has two number ones (and hopefully another under her belt :D).

 

They're both good artists in my opinion :)

I really hope Gaga gets back in the top ten.

I really hope Gaga gets back in the top ten.

I think it'll re-enter the top 10 within the next few days.

I never said pixie was catering to the same market as la roux or that robbie williams was catering to the same market as taio cruz.

 

I think the reason pixie isnt doing so well is because little boots is around aswell and not long ago it was adele. Joss Stone has also flopped recently. To me, in my personal opinion, i am off these kind of artists because they arent unique anymore. There are too many and even if only one comes up every so often, the last one is still kind of hovering.

 

I said it and I stand by it. It's fine for their fans, or people who follow the charts closely to see their differences and think that they will appeal to different people. In many respects they will. However, to have serious success they need to appeal to a mainstream market, and their record companies will be hoping that their CDs will be bought in large quantities by the sort of person who listens to the radio when they are getting ready for work on in the car. For those people, not the people watching the music channels, these artist are a bit of a blur.

 

It didn't help any of them to define themselves that Lady GaGa was hogging most of the headlines for interesting pop starlet this year too.

 

It's no biggie. So long as the record companies keep the faith I don't see why they cannot properly establish themselves with their second albums. There's no shame in that, and it's what worked for Amy Winehouse.