i like Rich's idea, but what if someone isnt online during those 48 hours, do they miss out totally?

 

No, they would just be able to nominate their entry after the first set of nominations deadline, so in many ways no different to things are at the moment with artist and song availability because if someone tries to enter their artists nominees after a good 48 Hours or so after the Nomination thread is open a good 20 to 30 countries have already nominated up to 5 artists each.

But what if a song only gets nominated once, because other people who wanted it think that another person got it already or whatever reason, and this song is very 'cheap'?

The only variation with my proposal would be what about the availability of new albums by popular BJ friendly artists unless we agree in advance that certain acts should be out of bounds ....

 

... because for example for BJSC_24: we could get seven different Glee songs nominated but none are duplicated so under my suggestion the first nomination would win; and in the very near future we will have the same problem with the Sugababes and Christina Aguilera.

 

if everyone is indeed after different songs, and not all scrabbling towards the same one (i.e. an obvious winner) then it shouldn't pose too much of a problem as the likelihood is that a well known act/song with only one nomination to be sent, wouldn't turn into a contest ruining song, or else it would be much more sought after

 

I guess the 24/48 hour thing could be extended too, the bones of this proposal I completely agree with but obviously some things might need tweaking

I quite like Rich's proposal! Though it could be a bit unfair - for example, things found on a certain blog would almost certainly end up being disqualified despite not actually being all that uninspired, so perhaps something would need to happen - like a poll afterwards for example to filter out the coincidental reservations that aren't particularly uninspired but that two or three people have hit upon? We have time to work this through though, so it's good we have a potential starting point!

I quite like Rich's proposal! Though it could be a bit unfair - for example, things found on a certain blog would almost certainly end up being disqualified despite not actually being all that uninspired, so perhaps something would need to happen - like a poll afterwards for example to filter out the coincidental reservations that aren't particularly uninspired but that two or three people have hit upon? We have time to work this through though, so it's good we have a potential starting point!

 

I don't think it would happen that much, seeing as said blog never updates anymore and isn't as useful as it once was...

 

maybe in instances such as these, the mods have the discretion to raise the bar to 5 nominations with the 3 nominations rule being used for obviously cheap songs like On A Mission, or even reducing it to 2 for extreme cheapness!?!

 

if a song is getting 5 or more nominations to be sent, then it really isn't as inspired an entry as it might look :lol:

This is true ^_^ Perhaps reducing to 2/3 nominations for songs that contravene the proposed banlist's rules, with decision over which get expelled at 2 and those which get expelled at 3 down to the host's discretion?

But what if a song only gets nominated once, because other people who wanted it think that another person got it already or whatever reason, and this song is very 'cheap'?

 

Well maybe that is the luck of the draw, if that happens then one could argue:

 

i) it is not that uninspired

 

ii) A backlash could still occur with the voting as other countries are annoyed they did not have the brass neck to nominate it as well

 

Plus what could well happen is one or two countries could knowingly be sitting on entering an obscure entry so could tactically nominate in the first set of nominations this cheap entry so taking it onto the banned list. A bit like what some countries do at the moment with the current five artist nomination rule.

This is true ^_^ Perhaps reducing to 2/3 nominations for songs that contravene the proposed banlist's rules, with decision over which get expelled at 2 and those which get expelled at 3 down to the host's discretion?

 

yep, I agree with this ^_^

This is true ^_^ Perhaps reducing to 2/3 nominations for songs that contravene the proposed banlist's rules, with decision over which get expelled at 2 and those which get expelled at 3 down to the host's discretion?

 

I agree as well with regards a common sense approach.

 

The only downside could be the host being open to being accused of playing God; by some of the other countries competing who don't agree with the host's decision(s)....

Firstly reading the first post did my head in, I couldn't follow it, its like an essay, sorry... I just wish things were straight to the point.

 

And secondly... I like Rich's idea, its brief and concised. :heehee:

I agree as well with regards a common sense approach.

 

The only downside could be the host being open to being accused of playing God; by some of the other countries competing who don't agree with the host's decision(s)....

 

if the host doesn't want to be in charge of making decisions like these, he/Kath could always PM a mod and ask for their opinion - the mods are used to this kind of stick and backlash anyway - it's part and parcel of the job :lol:

I hate Rich's idea. Sorry. :/ I like to be able to reserve a couple of artists to chose from rather than only being able to pick one song/artist, and on top of that if you don't get your first choice someone could always take your second/third/fourth choice from the first round of PMing etc.

 

It's way too complicated. I like the current nomination process. I'm just getting used to the new cheap rules, do we honestly have to revamp everything now? Did anyone even have an issue with the current reservation system in the first place?

I hate Rich's idea. Sorry. :/ I like to be able to reserve a couple of artists to chose from rather than only being able to pick one song/artist, and on top of that if you don't get your first choice someone could always take your second/third/fourth choice from the first round of PMing etc.

 

It's way too complicated. I like the current nomination process. I'm just getting used to the new cheap rules, do we honestly have to revamp everything now? Did anyone even have an issue with the current reservation system in the first place?

Seconded, it's an awful idea.

 

The current Res/Confirm system is fine. There is no need to fix it.

 

Seconded, it's an awful idea.

 

The current Res/Confirm system is fine. There is no need to fix it.

 

+1 :huh:

 

 

I don't think it would happen that much, seeing as said blog never updates anymore and isn't as useful as it once was...

 

maybe in instances such as these, the mods have the discretion to raise the bar to 5 nominations with the 3 nominations rule being used for obviously cheap songs like On A Mission, or even reducing it to 2 for extreme cheapness!?!

 

if a song is getting 5 or more nominations to be sent, then it really isn't as inspired an entry as it might look :lol:

 

But what if it did? What if several countries finds the same original/inspired song and wants to send it? to just ban that song on the basis of 3-5 people wanting to send it is a bit unfair..

 

we are as much as up to 50 or so contestants, of course there will be people finding the same songs.. and if this - an actual inspired choice - is found and nominated by 5 of them..

 

Well, you get the point. It doesn't automatically becomes an uninspired choice just because someone else likes it too?! :mellow:

 

 

It's adding some spark into the ordinary state of things we've been having for the last contests.

 

As much as I love this contest the way it is now, I do agree that we need a spark at some point!

-legislation of uninspired entry.

 

here is an idea:

 

people can 'challenge' someone else's entry (if it is uninspired) and then either the mods can decided wether or not it should be allowed (maybe some critiera created) or if x many people agree it is uninspired. criteria could include things such as is it likely to be a high entry in the UK chart, is it typical female pop? (or Lady GaGa style etc).

 

You mean banning a song just for being in a particularly liked music genre?

 

If it's unknown, then it's unkown - and inspired.

- Crafting of the new country registration thread, set to re-open after the AGM

Perhaps let a maximum number of people sign up per month? PAR EXAMPLE, in February a total of three new countries can sign up. This would stop the contest from overcrowding because the chances are one new country will drop out because they signed-up on impulse. Or just have an open registration and maybe have a participant rotation table? Like, X can perform in the next three contests but must take a one contest gap to facilitate a new country, Y can then perform for one content to see if they like it and then if they do, you could have other countries on rotation? You could make rotation optional. I would be more than happy to opt-out of one contest every three contests or whatever. :)

 

I like this idea :)

 

 

Could be quite refreshing :cheer:

 

 

 

- General suggestions

Creating a poll when proposing new rules to avoid the occasional BJSC riot. :P

 

 

Sounds good :kink:

I hate Rich's idea. Sorry. :/ I like to be able to reserve a couple of artists to chose from rather than only being able to pick one song/artist, and on top of that if you don't get your first choice someone could always take your second/third/fourth choice from the first round of PMing etc.

 

It's way too complicated. I like the current nomination process. I'm just getting used to the new cheap rules, do we honestly have to revamp everything now? Did anyone even have an issue with the current reservation system in the first place?

 

 

Seconded, it's an awful idea.

 

The current Res/Confirm system is fine. There is no need to fix it.

You've both misinterpreted what Rich meant...the PM stage isn't a proper reservation, it's something to find out which are the most popular choices and then to actually figure out what's uninspired etc. Reservations themselves wouldn't be any different.

But what if it did? What if several countries finds the same original/inspired song and wants to send it? to just ban that song on the basis of 3-5 people wanting to send it is a bit unfair..

 

we are as much as up to 50 or so contestants, of course there will be people finding the same songs.. and if this - an actual inspired choice - is found and nominated by 5 of them..

 

Well, you get the point. It doesn't automatically becomes an uninspired choice just because someone else likes it too?! :mellow:

 

I think it gets to the point that it becomes 'hyped' if 5 or more people all wish to send it as their first choice - take Not That Kinda Girl for example, hardly a hit single or cheap looking on the surface but as soon as about 10 people had expressed an interest in wanting to send it, it becomes a lot less special and individual...yes a lot of people always want to reserve the same artists, but this doesn't necessarily mean they all want a specific song as their first choice, often just one of five potential choices - this would just help to eliminate those that everyone wanted to send which are basically rendered pointless to send because if five people are dying to send it, the chances that none of the other 45 contestants have heard said song are very slim indeed...

 

in a very very extreme case of a complete coincidence where perhaps five people all express a wish to send a an old Postal Service track from 2003 or something, then obviously in this case the host could use their discretion to let this be a case of 'first come first served' seeing as it's quite obviously not cheap. I know the host shouldn't play god as such but giving permission for somebody to send something very obviously obscure which has been picked up by 5 people by sheer coincidence (I can't see this ever happening by the way) would be completely different to say giving the green light to the latest leaked Swedish Linda whatever track (Sundblad, Philipsson, Bengtzing - take your pick :heehee:) which probably wouldn't be quite as inspired a choice as it looked on the surface if the majority of the people who were likely to like the song anyway already knew about it and loved it.

 

Obviously there are potential flaws with this rule, highlighted by Ben and Phil above with regards to somebody's first choice being banned, and second choice being snapped up by somebody else - but I guess this is the same element of risk that would have been involved in the new cheap banning policy suggested by the mods. If you think your first choice is likely to be picked as the first choice by a load of other people too, it's probably not worth sending as other people clearly already know it very well already :lol:

 

this is just my take on the whole thing though, obviously I would be quite happy to go with the mods original rule change suggestions too instead of this, and I have no problem whatsoever with the old artist reservation/confirmation system, this is just a way that Rich has suggested to help eradicate cheap without the mods having to decide what is and isn't cheap (which is what people were complaining about - being dictated) - it's in the hands of the public this way...but obviously discretion should be used in coincidental cases such as those I said earlier, and again, if the host really doesn't feel comfortable making the decision, PM a mod to ask for their advice.

I think it gets to the point that it becomes 'hyped' if 5 or more people all wish to send it as their first choice - take Not That Kinda Girl for example, hardly a hit single or cheap looking on the surface but as soon as about 10 people had expressed an interest in wanting to send it, it becomes a lot less special and individual...yes a lot of people always want to reserve the same artists, but this doesn't necessarily mean they all want a specific song as their first choice, often just one of five potential choices - this would just help to eliminate those that everyone wanted to send which are basically rendered pointless to send because if five people are dying to send it, the chances that none of the other 45 contestants have heard said song are very slim indeed...

 

in a very very extreme case of a complete coincidence where perhaps five people all express a wish to send a an old Postal Service track from 2003 or something, then obviously in this case the host could use their discretion to let this be a case of 'first come first served' seeing as it's quite obviously not cheap. I know the host shouldn't play god as such but giving permission for somebody to send something very obviously obscure which has been picked up by 5 people by sheer coincidence (I can't see this ever happening by the way) would be completely different to say giving the green light to the latest leaked Swedish Linda whatever track (Sundblad, Philipsson, Bengtzing - take your pick :heehee:) which probably wouldn't be quite as inspired a choice as it looked on the surface if the majority of the people who were likely to like the song anyway already knew about it and loved it.

 

Obviously there are potential flaws with this rule, highlighted by Ben and Phil above with regards to somebody's first choice being banned, and second choice being snapped up by somebody else - but I guess this is the same element of risk that would have been involved in the new cheap banning policy suggested by the mods. If you think your first choice is likely to be picked as the first choice by a load of other people too, it's probably not worth sending as other people clearly already know it very well already :lol:

 

this is just my take on the whole thing though, obviously I would be quite happy to go with the mods original rule change suggestions too instead of this, and I have no problem whatsoever with the old artist reservation/confirmation system, this is just a way that Rich has suggested to help eradicate cheap without the mods having to decide what is and isn't cheap (which is what people were complaining about - being dictated) - it's in the hands of the public this way...but obviously discretion should be used in coincidental cases such as those I said earlier, and again, if the host really doesn't feel comfortable making the decision, PM a mod to ask for their advice.

 

 

Very well then ^_^ I understand more of this now, and i particularly agree with the highlighted part, which is - if people tried (and moreso succeeded) to be a bit more original/inspired with their entries, most of this debate wouldn´t be needed as much.

Edited January 21, 201015 yr by Freeze

sorry, I didn't mean to reply at essay length :lol: I just had more to say on the subject than I thought I did! But yeah, it confuses me that people are always queueing up to send the same 3 songs when there are so many millions of songs to choose from :lol: :(