Then that's just their problem, isn't it? We can't be making big changes such as these because someone refuses to send 'good' songs over and over again -_-

Excuse me, did i say these people send BAD songs? Or they don't deserve to be in BJSC and have to necessarily obey to the laws of majority just because they have different taste in music? :/ Nice to see someone actually thinks like that... :rolleyes:

I voted for adding a second chance round.....

 

while it's a big downer when you fail to qualify, I still like having semis involved. It gives you a mini challenge so that if you don't do well at least you can say you qualified from the semis.

Why did my post get quoted with a comment about listening to the songs? I've decided I don't care about that (though 50 songs in a row, at peak time, could be pretty atrocious) it's just the fun thing that I'm not liking.

 

I do want things to stay the same, but like I said, I am seriously coming round to the second chance option, though it's still unneeded hassle.

Excuse me, did i say these people send BAD songs? Or they don't deserve to be in BJSC and have to necessarily obey to the laws of majority just because they have different taste in music? :/ Nice to see someone actually thinks like that... :rolleyes:

 

I didn't mean it like that. That's why I put it up as 'good' (AKA Bjsc-friendly) so everyone would get what I meant :rolleyes:. If you 'know' something will DNQ, then you shouldn't be surprised if it did. No need to get all worked up about it if you actually DNQ'ed then.

 

 

Edit: Espcially not asking for a big contest change etc if it happens too many times and on every occasion you purposely sent something that wasn't bjsc-friendly/opposite of what people in here might like.

Edited April 9, 201015 yr by Freeze

I voted for the first option, the second chance round. I know it makes the contest more complex and complicated but it brings more excitement (although I haven't qualified for ages I still liked the semi rounds)

 

What I see with one big final it can make the contest boring and a too long voting period. Although it makes it fairer and gives more songs chance to do well but on the other hand two weeks of voting (or more?) could make the interest fade away. And what happens with the first week and a half? As the most countries tend to vote in the last couple of days anyway.

I voted for the one big final. I would rather vote all at once then have to do it three separate times.

 

I don't personally get why people are going on about how it feels special to qualify compared to it being automatic with just one big final. I think people would take more risks and wouldn't it be the same as qualifying like before if a country's entry just did well in the final?

 

Plus, wouldn't the contest be dragged out with a second chance vote? Cause I definitely don't think the contest needs to be any longer.

 

Just my viewpoint on it all!

I AM SO FOR JUST ONE BIG FINAL AND NO SEMIS

 

seriously, isn't the point of this contest to just discover music? i don't see why a few songs need to be eliminated before a final just because a few people can't be arsed to listen to all the songs in one week (and now there will be two weeks). i also don't get the complaints that the final would be longer / more compelx / more daunting? it won't be? everyone votes in the final anyway so it'll take the exact same amount of time depending on the host. just more songs to vote for. a GOOD thing imo.

 

the second chance round is the dumbest thing ever. :/ it's like a weak version of just a big final. so silly and stupid and makes things way more complicated and will make the contest even longer than it should be. no wonder no one wants to enter this contest? we have so many silly and arbitrary things when we could just have one nice, big final where everyone's song is included and no one misses out. i don't get why people find the semi's fun. :/ as a host they're especially annoying because it's an extra live show but less people show up / care. and the second chance would just be ANOTHER effing live show to deal with and i doubt anyone would post / care again.

 

i'm not going to be annoying prat and leave if it gets instated, but i won't be happy about it tbh.

I SECOND THAT.

I AM SO FOR JUST ONE BIG FINAL AND NO SEMIS

 

seriously, isn't the point of this contest to just discover music? i don't see why a few songs need to be eliminated before a final just because a few people can't be arsed to listen to all the songs in one week (and now there will be two weeks). i also don't get the complaints that the final would be longer / more compelx / more daunting? it won't be? everyone votes in the final anyway so it'll take the exact same amount of time depending on the host. just more songs to vote for. a GOOD thing imo.

 

the second chance round is the dumbest thing ever. :/ it's like a weak version of just a big final. so silly and stupid and makes things way more complicated and will make the contest even longer than it should be. no wonder no one wants to enter this contest? we have so many silly and arbitrary things when we could just have one nice, big final where everyone's song is included and no one misses out. i don't get why people find the semi's fun. :/ as a host they're especially annoying because it's an extra live show but less people show up / care. and the second chance would just be ANOTHER effing live show to deal with and i doubt anyone would post / care again.

 

i'm not going to be annoying prat and leave if it gets instated, but i won't be happy about it tbh.

 

This. Although, I might be a bit biased seeing as I rarely qualify, but Second Chance is becoming less appealing to me, tbh. One big final would just be easy and everyone is included.

 

If it becomes one big final as a permanent thing, I'm not taking part. It'll just be boring - and I'm only taking part in this for the fun of it.

 

Plus, I'm REALLY starting to love this Second Chance idea, after initially hating it. That sounds quite fun. So, I voted Second Chance.

Well I wouldn't quit because of the one big final experiment but I would try both before I could make my decision 100% which is better but I went for the Second Chance round atm as I said above.

I AM SO FOR JUST ONE BIG FINAL AND NO SEMIS

 

seriously, isn't the point of this contest to just discover music? i don't see why a few songs need to be eliminated before a final just because a few people can't be arsed to listen to all the songs in one week (and now there will be two weeks). i also don't get the complaints that the final would be longer / more compelx / more daunting? it won't be? everyone votes in the final anyway so it'll take the exact same amount of time depending on the host. just more songs to vote for. a GOOD thing imo.

 

the second chance round is the dumbest thing ever. :/ it's like a weak version of just a big final. so silly and stupid and makes things way more complicated and will make the contest even longer than it should be. no wonder no one wants to enter this contest? we have so many silly and arbitrary things when we could just have one nice, big final where everyone's song is included and no one misses out. i don't get why people find the semi's fun. :/ as a host they're especially annoying because it's an extra live show but less people show up / care.

 

I pretty much agree with all of this. As far as I can see, it would be;

 

1. Banlist nominations

2. Banlist results

3. Artist reservation

4. Artist confirmation

5. Semi voting

6. Semi results

7. Second chance voting

8. Second chance results

9. Final voting

10. Final results

 

Or the other way there would only be stages 1,2,3,4,9 and 10 - which is still a fair amount of work for a host in my opinion. Collating three sets of votes would be a strain on the hosts inbox to say the least and I know I wouldn't be keen on making three separate scoreboards on Excel with maybe 150 sets of votes (+ banlist nominations) to take into account all said and done! I'm only saying this from a former hosts point of view, maybe other people enjoyed the work, but I found it a massive overload, particularly in XVIII and that was without the banlist or any of these other proposed stages. What some people see as fun, others will see as a drag (particularly those who struggle to find time to vote in the semis until the last minute who will now have another stage to have to find time to vote in).

 

I know it sounds like I'm dramatically in favour of the one big final option but honestly, I do quite like the second chance idea too - it would definitely bring a different twist to proceedings. But as for adding more fun, I'm not sure it would be fun to find out that your song would have qualified beforehand but missed out after the second chance round had taken place.

I didn't mean it like that. That's why I put it up as 'good' (AKA Bjsc-friendly) so everyone would get what I meant :rolleyes:. If you 'know' something will DNQ, then you shouldn't be surprised if it did. No need to get all worked up about it if you actually DNQ'ed then.

Edit: Espcially not asking for a big contest change etc if it happens too many times and on every occasion you purposely sent something that wasn't bjsc-friendly/opposite of what people in here might like.

So you're saying you enter songs in order for people to like them hence get a good result in the first place? It's all about discovering new music and sending songs you love, I'd not be happy if i was dictated what to send just because people wouldn't like it.

 

My point is however that everybody should have an equal chance. If someone sends a very friendly pop song, plus being drawn into very pop semi, and the other risky song gets drawn with it, i doubt the latter will have equal chance considering the taste of BJ in general. It'd only be fair if the song flopped considering all of the votes, not just a random half.

 

If you don't get a good result one time in about 10 contests at least it might get quite unexciting for you even though you might be all up for discovering new music and placing the good result reason as last. There gotta be stimulus.

I pretty much agree with all of this. As far as I can see, it would be;

 

1. Banlist nominations

2. Banlist results

3. Artist reservation

4. Artist confirmation

5. Semi voting

6. Semi results

7. Second chance voting

8. Second chance results

9. Final voting

10. Final results

 

Or the other way there would only be stages 1,2,3,4,9 and 10 - which is still a fair amount of work for a host in my opinion. Collating three sets of votes would be a strain on the hosts inbox to say the least and I know I wouldn't be keen on making three separate scoreboards on Excel with maybe 150 sets of votes (+ banlist nominations) to take into account all said and done! I'm only saying this from a former hosts point of view, maybe other people enjoyed the work, but I found it a massive overload, particularly in XVIII and that was without the banlist or any of these other proposed stages. What some people see as fun, others will see as a drag (particularly those who struggle to find time to vote in the semis until the last minute who will now have another stage to have to find time to vote in).

 

I know it sounds like I'm dramatically in favour of the one big final option but honestly, I do quite like the second chance idea too - it would definitely bring a different twist to proceedings. But as for adding more fun, I'm not sure it would be fun to find out that your song would have qualified beforehand but missed out after the second chance round had taken place.

Hmmm, reading this I haven't even thought about the hosting part. But is this question about the hosting problems or about excitement or other competitions (in general) problems? (no oeffence if it sounds so)

 

If it's about hosting, I would say go for the Big Final.

Well I wouldn't quit because of the one big final experiment but I would try both before I could make my decision 100% which is better but I went for the Second Chance round atm as I said above.

WOO! Another 'i'm-not-jumping-the-gun-because-i-don't-like-how-it-sounds person. Welcome to the club <3 :kink:

WOO! Another 'i'm-not-jumping-the-gun-because-i-don't-like-how-it-sounds person. Welcome to the club <3 :kink:

I'm sorry that's a bit arrogant :wacko:

 

As I had my opinion above this post ;)

So you're saying you enter songs in order for people to like them hence get a good result in the first place? It's all about discovering new music and sending songs you love, I'd not be happy if i was dictated what to send just because people wouldn't like it.

 

I agree with you. And I wouldn't be happy if I was dictated either. Although discovering 'new music' doesn't necessarily mean a whole new music genre. But I send the songs I send both because I love them, and because I think I could give most people a discovery with it. A good result is just an added bonus and a symbolism of that achievement.

 

My point is however that everybody should have an equal chance. If someone sends a very friendly pop song, plus being drawn into very pop semi, and the other risky song gets drawn with it, i doubt the latter will have equal chance considering the taste of BJ in general. It'd only be fair if the song flopped considering all of the votes, not just a random half.

 

I agree with all of this as well. And your point is fair. All I meant was; there is no reason to complain if you knew that the overall taste was completely different from what you where sending. The risk could still be worth it, and could still give people their discoveries and enrich the contest.

Edited April 9, 201015 yr by Freeze

Hmmm, reading this I haven't even thought about the hosting part. But is this question about the hosting problems or about excitement or other competitions (in general) problems? (no oeffence if it sounds so)

 

If it's about hosting, I would say go for the Big Final.

 

No, I wouldn't say the hosting aspects are a huge problem (a winner can always refuse to host if they think it's too much after all), but just something I thought I'd point out. Moreso I was trying to highlight the fact that this contest has far too many stages now. Far from me to say I miss the 'good old days' because I do think that the song quality these days is far far better than it ever was in the first ten contests. But I do sometimes miss the simple aspects of;

 

1. Song/artist confirmation (in the same thread)

2. Final voting

3. Final results

 

and that was it :lol: now we seem to have ballooned to what will potentially be ten stages - all I can say is I can see why it scares of newcomers. It's of no problem to those of us who have followed each stage being added bit by bit and got gradually used to it but it's sad to read comments in the lounge about people saying they'd like to join but it seems too difficult and complex/confusing.

No, I wouldn't say the hosting aspects are a huge problem (a winner can always refuse to host if they think it's too much after all), but just something I thought I'd point out. Moreso I was trying to highlight the fact that this contest has far too many stages now. Far from me to say I miss the 'good old days' because I do think that the song quality these days is far far better than it ever was in the first ten contests. But I do sometimes miss the simple aspects of;

 

1. Song/artist confirmation (in the same thread)

2. Final voting

3. Final results

 

and that was it :lol: now we seem to have ballooned to what will potentially be ten stages - all I can say is I can see why it scares of newcomers. It's of no problem to those of us who have followed each stage being added bit by bit and got gradually used to it but it's sad to read comments in the lounge about people saying they'd like to join but it seems too difficult and complex/confusing.

Actually I don't know why is the Artist Reservation and Confirmation thread in separate threads? It could be in the same thread, can't be?

Why can't we just keep it the same?

Actually I don't know why is the Artist Reservation and Confirmation thread in separate threads? It could be in the same thread, can't be?

 

Mainly because we never used to 'reserve' artists, you'd just confirm the one song by one artist and hope that nobody else got to it first. And now I guess they open at different times so it's easier to keep track of them if they're in separate threads, could get a bit messy otherwise. I don't think it would be a very wise move to do away with aritst confirmation, people have got used to wanting to have their pick. If it went I could see a lot of people confirming instantly just so they got the track they wanted. The only way it would work now without the artist reservation thread would be for the host to allow 2 or 3 changes after an entry had been confirmed, but a lot of hosts allow no changes now.