Posted May 23, 201015 yr Despite Radio 1's best efforts, it's up on time on the front page and the latest news box although some of the albums info is a bit rushed.
May 23, 201015 yr In 2005, 3 of the 18 Re-Issued Elvis Presley No.1's returned to No.1. Chart Books, & The OCC, say they were his 19th, 20th, & 21st No.1 Singles. So - now that 'Exile On Main Street', has returned to No.1, for the Rolling Stones, surely it should be counted as their 11th No.1 Album - and not just their 7th No.1, (from 1972), going back to No.1? After all - it is not exactly the same as the 1972 No.1. It has an added Disk, with 10 extra Tracks on it. Here is how I think the 'Most UK No.1 Albums' List should look now. (Weeks AT No.1 in Brackets). 1) BEATLES - 15 (174W) 2)=ELVIS PRESLEY - 11 (63W) 2)=ROLLING STONES - 11 (45W) 2)=MADONNA - 11 (29W) 5) U2 - 10 (15W) 6)=ABBA - 9 (57W) 6)=MICHAEL JACKSON - 9 (30W) 6)=QUEEN - 9 (21W) 9)=ROBBIE WILLIAMS - 8 (28W) 9)=DAVID BOWIE - 8 (22W) 9)=LED ZEPPELIN - 8 (14W) 9)=BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN - 8 (14W) 9)=REM - 8 (13W) Edited May 23, 201015 yr by zeus555
May 23, 201015 yr Author Thanks for that zeus. Before they changed the rules I would have said it should definitely count as a new album in the same way that de-luxe versions did. Now it isn't so clear.
May 23, 201015 yr As far as I'm concerned it's the same artist, the same title, so it's the same album. But what do I know :P Edited May 23, 201015 yr by Bray
May 23, 201015 yr Whatever its classed as it is still a huge achievement to return to #1 28 years after it was originally released - Will be interesting to see how low album sales are this week though :lol:
May 23, 201015 yr Author Whatever its classed as it is still a huge achievement to return to #1 28 years after it was originally released - Will be interesting to see how low album sales are this week though :lol: I think you mean 38 years :)
May 23, 201015 yr My point is that the 3 Elvis No.1 Singles in 2005, were counted as his 19th, 20th, & 21st UK No.1 Singles - even though even their 'B' Sides were not New Music. As such - as the Stones Album has 10 added Tracks, it must surely be counted as their 11th No.1 Album? It is really an 'Enhanced' version of their 1972 No.1 Album. If it isn't their 11th No.1 Album, then Elvis cannot have the 3 2005 No.1 Singles added to his No.1 Singles Total. He has to remain on 18 No.1 Singles - just as he was before 2005 began... Edited May 23, 201015 yr by zeus555
May 23, 201015 yr My point is that the 3 Elvis No.1 Singles in 2005, were counted as his 19th, 20th, & 21st UK No.1 Singles - even though even their 'B' Sides were not New Music. If it isn't their 11th No.1 Album, then Elvis cannot have the 3 2005 No.1 Singles added to his No.1 Singles Total. He has to remain on 18 No.1 Singles - just as he was before 2005 began... I don't consider those 3 as unique #1s at all. Why should they be? They're the exact same song.
May 23, 201015 yr Bray, you said:, "I don't consider those 3 as unique #1s at all. Why should they be? They're the exact same song". The point is that both The OCC, & UK Chart Books etc. do regard the 2005 Elvis No.1's as New No.1's for him. I was told that this is because they have different Catalogue Numbers, then when they originally went to No.1. The 2005 CD's also had a Bonus Track - not just the original 'B' sides. The different Catalogue Numbers, & Bonus Tracks, makes them 'different releases', apparently. Meaning they are additional Elvis No.1's, as far as The OCC etc. are concerned. The problem is that you can use exactly the same arguments to say that the Stones Album should be their 11th No.1. 1) In 1972 its Catalogue Number was:, Rolling Stones COC 69100 2) The Catalogue Number of the 2010 'Deluxe' Edition is:, BOO39TD7RC 3) The Catalogue Number of the 2010 'Remastered' Edition is:, BOO39TD826 4) The 'Deluxe' Edition has an extra Disk added - 10 'New' Tracks. I suspect that it is mainly the Sales of that version that has caused it to go to No.1. So there we have it - the Stones No.1 Album fits exactly the same criteria - to be counted as a New No.1 for them - as the 2005 Elvis No.1 Singles did for him..... Edited May 23, 201015 yr by zeus555
May 24, 201015 yr So if the catalogue no. is different it's a new album...But what's the case with Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga? Do they have just one eligible album with one catalogue number out at the moment? I'm talking about The Fame (monster) and My World(s) of course.
May 24, 201015 yr I don't consider those 3 as unique #1s at all. Why should they be? They're the exact same song. I'm with you Bray - I don't consider them as "new" number ones at all. So my numbered list of number ones would be at least three "behind" versions you'd see . I'd say the same for "My Sweet Lord" but the version of Bohemian Rhapsody with "These Are The Days..." was a double A-side so I would count that with a new number. -- Richard
May 24, 201015 yr I'm with you Bray - I don't consider them as "new" number ones at all. So my numbered list of number ones would be at least three "behind" versions you'd see . I'd say the same for "My Sweet Lord" but the version of Bohemian Rhapsody with "These Are The Days..." was a double A-side so I would count that with a new number. -- Richard Well for the purposes of my chart database which I'm very slowly adding to, double A-sides are too much hassle so I'll be considering the two Bohemian Rhapsodies as the same song. My general policy is if it's the same artist(s) and the same song/album it's the same entry.
May 28, 201015 yr The OCC tell me that they regard the Stones No.1 as their 1972 No.1 returning there. They do not count it as their 11th No.1 - they are still on 10. Of course, they do count its Week at No.1 as additional to the Stones statistics - so they are now on 45 No.1 Album Weeks - not 44. The 3 Elvis No.1 Singles, (2005), are counted as extra No.1's for him. So, there is one Rule for No.1 Albums that go back to the Top - Decades later - and another if No.1 Singles do it. Edited May 28, 201015 yr by zeus555
May 28, 201015 yr Author The OCC tell me that they regard the Stones No.1 as their 1972 No.1 returning there. They do not count it as their 11th No.1 - they are still on 10. Of course, they do count its Week at No.1 as additional to the Stones statistics - so they are now on 45 No.1 Album Weeks - not 44. The 3 Elvis No.1 Singles, (2005), are counted as extra No.1's for him. So, there is one Rule for No.1 Albums that go back to the Top - Decades later - and another if No.1 Singles do it. The ruling is at least consistent with the rules on de-luxe versions of albums. It also means the Stones can be said to have shattered Abba's double record of the longest gap between spells at number one with the same album. Even if it isn't the same album :lol:
May 29, 201015 yr But - Suedehead2 - ABBA still hold the record for longest gaps at No.1 with exactly the same Album. The 'Gold', that they reached No.1 with in 1999, had exactly the same 19 Tracks, as when it was No.1 in 1992. And it had exactly the same 19 Tracks, when it made No.1 again, in 2008. The Stones Album had a 10 Track Disk added to be No.1 in 2010.....So, it was the 1972 Album with a 2nd Album added..... Edited May 29, 201015 yr by zeus555
May 29, 201015 yr Author But - Suedehead2 - ABBA still hold the record for longest gaps at No.1 with exactly the same Album. The 'Gold', that they reached No.1 with in 1999, had exactly the same 19 Tracks, as when it was No.1 in 1992. And it had exactly the same 19 Tracks, when it made No.1 again, in 2008. The Stones Album had a 10 Track Disk added to be No.1 in 2010.....So, it was the 1972 Album with a 2nd Album added..... Hence my final comment about it not being the same album :lol: The OCC are trying to confuse us all :wacko:
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