October 28, 20231 yr It’s a war crime according to the UN Charter to administer collective punishment on a people because of the actions of their side. This is FACT!
October 28, 20231 yr Are you a judge? This is not a collective punishment. There is no symmetry here. Hamas is the aggressor. It doesn't matter who is the aggressor. War crimes are war crimes.
October 28, 20231 yr ^ LMAO! So you are suggesting that the US, the UK, Germany, Italy, France, etc. are supporting "war crimes"? As if! :teresa: Edited October 28, 20231 yr by Voodoo
October 28, 20231 yr Yes they are, western governments are notoriously hypocritical my friend incase you failed to notice that!
October 28, 20231 yr ^ LMAO! So you are suggesting that the US, the UK, Germany, Italy, France, etc. are supporting "war crimes"? As if! :teresa: In what way do you think collective punishment is not a war crime? BTW, you haven't addressed my original question.
October 28, 20231 yr Yes they are, western governments are notoriously hypocritical my friend incase you failed to notice that! The only hypocrisy I notice is coming from some people in this thread, who are basically repeating the messages of Iran, Russia, Turkey, etc. I'll ALWAYS side with the west, rather than with an entity that oppresses women, LGBTIQA+, Jews, Christians, etc. View this post on Instagram Edited October 28, 20231 yr by Voodoo
October 28, 20231 yr In what way do you think collective punishment is not a war crime? BTW, you haven't addressed my original question. It is not a collective punishment. It is not for you to decide. You still haven't said what Israel's response to Hamas' attack should have been. How do you suggest Gaza can be freed from Hamas? View this post on Instagram Edited October 28, 20231 yr by Voodoo
October 28, 20231 yr The only hypocrisy I notice is coming from some people in this thread, who are basically repeating the messages of Iran, Russia, Turkey, etc. I'll ALWAYS side with the west, rather than with an entity that oppresses women, LGBTIQA+, Jews, Christians, etc. Well then you simply don’t have enough critical thought to think further than the black and white ways you look at these issues when these are complex geopolitical issues. You believe because I am critical of the west and it’s foreign policy I clearly side with the views of Iran, Russia and Turkey which shows how simplistic your thoughts are on these issues. It’s also dangerously anti democratic because you want to close down debate by defaming another legitimate point of view which is surely what you are arguing against in your views which you say are pro democracy and freedom?
October 28, 20231 yr It is not a collective punishment. It is not for you to decide. You still haven't said what Israel's response to Hamas' attack should have been. How do you suggest Gaza can be freed from Hamas? View this post on Instagram Destroying homes regardless of who occupied them is collective punishment.
October 28, 20231 yr Destroying homes regardless of who occupied them is collective punishment. This is simply untrue. Headquarters that are used by Hamas are destroyed.
October 28, 20231 yr This is simply untrue. Headquarters that are used by Hamas are destroyed. I want to have a civilised debate. However, that is difficult of you cannot accept that destruction of innocent people's homes amounts to collective punishment.
October 28, 20231 yr I want to have a civilised debate. However, that is difficult of you cannot accept that destruction of innocent people's homes amounts to collective punishment. They are not "innocent people's homes" if they are used by Hamas. Do you want Hamas to continue ruling Gaza? Edited October 28, 20231 yr by Voodoo
October 29, 20231 yr Why do you equate being worried about the deaths of people in Gaza with support for Hamas it’s not one and the same thing.0
October 29, 20231 yr Won't be surprised if Israel doesn't get banned by UEFA and Eurovision (and ends up winning it). 🤐
October 29, 20231 yr Won't be surprised if Israel doesn't get banned by UEFA and Eurovision (and ends up winning it). Actually this not happening, as I don't think it will, is a very good test for showing why this is different from Russia/Ukraine and why it's wrong, in this instance, to back the Western-backed country. Unlike Ukraine, Israel is not under imminent threat from its opponents, its opponents are an oppressed people, not a powerful nuclear state, Israel is moving its army and bombardments into foreign territory, and is killing civilians and uprooting hundreds of thousands of ordinary lives, assuming they all have phantom terrorists hiding under their floorboards. Ukraine has always been strictly on defense, and that what garners sympathy. All of this combined means much less implicit support from the public for Israel compared to Ukraine against Russia. We didn't have hundreds of thousands of people marching for protests for Russia, thank god. The West isn't always right, and neither are the likes of China and Iran always wrong in who they support - certainly to suggest states like those are fundamentally evil is very worrying. In this case, a state aligned with them is under threat from a state aligned with the West. That's just geopolitics and doesn't have any bearing on the moral case. But much of the Global South is with Palestine on this one, because of the constant oppression and poverty that much of their populations fall into so that rich Westerners can live good lifestyles. incidentally in the past, particularly in 2019, there was a big push from the anti-imperialist left to boycott Eurovision because Israel is participating and because of what they continually do to Palestinians. I expect those calls to be very very loud next year, especially if the Israeli participant can in any way be connected with the IDF like Noa was last year - so I'm actually hoping Israel withdraws to save us all of that - the EBU likely won't ban them although they might face calls to if their Gazan campaign gets any worse.
October 29, 20231 yr It is not a collective punishment. It is not for you to decide. You still haven't said what Israel's response to Hamas' attack should have been. How do you suggest Gaza can be freed from Hamas? View this post on Instagram Your lack of understanding of the definition of collective punishment does not mean that it’s not what’s happening. Cutting water, power, food, medicine etc to the entirety of Gaza because of the actions of 40k out of 2.3m *is* the literal definition of a collective punishment. Your bias is clouding your ability to use basic English
October 29, 20231 yr Won't be surprised if Israel doesn't get banned by UEFA and Eurovision (and ends up winning it). 🤐 ROFL! Expecting Israel to get banned equates to expecting Ukraine to get banned.
October 29, 20231 yr Unlike Ukraine, Israel is not under imminent threat from its opponents Yes, it is. You couldn't be more wrong. It is surrounded by hostile countries. Iran is close to getting nuclear weapon and constantly threats to abolish Israel. Edited October 29, 20231 yr by Voodoo
October 29, 20231 yr Cutting water, power, food, medicine etc to the entirety of Gaza because of the actions of 40k out of 2.3m *is* the literal definition of a collective punishment. But that's not what's happening. They have EVERYTHING you mentioned. Humanitarian aid crosses Gaza's border with Egypt every day.
October 29, 20231 yr But that's not what's happening. They have EVERYTHING you mentioned. Humanitarian aid crosses Gaza's border with Egypt every day. No they don't. And the amount of aid being let in is a small fraction of what is required.
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