this amuses me far too much.

Love that video! His jokes are bloody terrible.

 

Great facebook event: HERE

EUGH ACTUAL CRINGE AT DAVID CAMERON. POOR MORRISEY.

 

this amuses me far too much.

 

Yeah, it amused me even more when Johnny Marr said he wasn't allowed to like The Smiths.... :lol: :lol:

 

Well, come on, let's face it, The Smiths hated EVERYTHING Thatcher and the Tories stood for, it's little wonder Marr reacted with such horror....

 

It has gone through. RIP University Education.

Who's voting Ed Milliband next election?

Oh well, hopefully the issue has weakened the government enough to warrant a re-election at some point in the near future.

 

One positive thing to come from this is the fact that all the Northern Irish MPs (well, the ones that turned up anyway) all voted against the rise in tuition fees. Given that this is an Assembly Issue here rather than a parliament issue, hopefully it means that NI fees will stay put.

RIP Liberal Democrats 1988-2010. Even more pathetic than the party's Coalition cheerleaders are the gutless cowards like Simon Hughes who sat on their hands and abstained, letting the Bill pass by the back door.

 

Best way of trying to make sure this fees rise never happens is voting for Labour or a minority party in next May's local elections, and a 'No' vote on the AV referendum, to try and destroy the Coalition and trigger a general election next year, before the fees rise takes effect.

RIP Liberal Democrats 1988-2010. Even more pathetic than the party's Coalition cheerleaders are the gutless cowards like Simon Hughes who sat on their hands and abstained, letting the Bill pass by the back door.

 

Best way of trying to make sure this fees rise never happens is voting for Labour or a minority party in next May's local elections, and a 'No' vote on the AV referendum, to try and destroy the Coalition and trigger a general election next year, before the fees rise takes effect.

Would it not be better to base your vote in the AV referendum on the merits of the case? Voting - with the majority of Tory voters - as a way of kicking the Lib Dems is all rather childish.

 

Oh, and if every party that went back on an election pledge was subsequently destroted, we'd have lost track of which parties were currently in exoistence long ago.

But this was wasn't "an election pledge" though. This was probably their flagship election pledge. I know quite afew students who voted for Lib Dems because of their stance on tuition fees.

THE LIB DEM HALL OF SHAME

 

 

The 27 Lib Dems who voted in favour of the tuition fees rise:

 

Nick Clegg (Sheffield Hallam)

Vince Cable (Twickenham)

Danny Alexander (Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch and Strathespey)

Michael Moore (Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk)

Sarah Teather (Brent Central)

Norman Baker (Lewes)

Sir Alan Beith (Berwick-upon-Tweed)

Gordon Birtwistle (Burnley)

Tom Brake (Carshalton and Wellington)

Jeremy Browne (Taunton Deane)

Malcolm Bruce (Gordon)

Paul Burstow (Sutton and Cheam)

Alistair Carmichael (Orkney and Shetland)

Edward Davey (Kingston and Surbiton)

Lynne Featherstone (Hornsey and Wood Green)

Don Foster (Bath)

Stephen Gilbert (St Austell and Newquay)

Duncan Hames (Chippenham)

Nick Harvey (Devon North)

David Heath (Somerton and Frome)

John Hemming (Birmingham Yardley)

Norman Lamb (Norfolk North)

David Laws (Yeovil)

Andrew Stunnell (Hazel Grove)

Jo Swinson (Dunbartonshire East)

David Ward (Bradford East)

Steve Webb (Thornbury and Yate)

Mark Hunter (Cheadle)

 

The 8 abstainers:

 

Simon Hughes (Bermondsey and Old Southwark)

Lorely Burt (Solihull)

Tessa Munt (Wells)

Sir Robert Smith (Aberdeenshire West and Kincardine)

John Thurso (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross)

Stephen Williams (Bristol West)

Chris Huhne (Eastleigh) - *in Mexico; would've voted in favour

Martin Horwood (Cheltenham) - *in Mexico; would've voted against

 

The 21 who honoured their pledge:

 

Charles Kennedy (Ross Skye and Lochaber)

Sir Menzies Campbell (Fife North East)

Tim Farron (Westmorland and Lonsdale)

Annette Brooke (Dorset Mid and Poole North)

Michael Crockart (Edinburgh West) - resigned from govt

Andrew George (St Ives)

Mike Hancock (Portsmouth South)

Julian Huppert (Cambridge)

John Leech (Manchester Withington)

Stephen Lloyd (Eastbourne)

Greg Mulholland (Leeds North West)

John Pugh (Southport)

Alan Reid (Argyll and Bute)

Dan Rogerson (Cornwall North)

Bob Russell (Colchester)

Adrian Sanders (Torbay)

Ian Swales (Redcar)

Mark Williams (Ceredigon)

Roger Williams (Brecon and Radnorshire)

Jenny Willott (Cardiff Central) - resigned from govt

Simon Wright (Norwich South)

 

The 6 Tories who rebelled:

 

David Davis (Haltemprice and Howden)

Philip Davies (Shipley)

Julian Lewis (New Forest East)

Jason McCartney (Colne Valley)

Andrew Percy (Brigg and Goole)

Mark Reckless (Rochester and Strood)

But this was wasn't "an election pledge" though. This was probably their flagship election pledge. I know quite afew students who voted for Lib Dems because of their stance on tuition fees.

 

exactly, all parties lie in elections (which is a major problem imo but that's a different debate), but this was the big selling point to vote for Lib Dems. I DEMAND my vote back.

I can't wait to campaign to get John Hemming kicked out of his seat at the next election.

 

Would it not be better to base your vote in the AV referendum on the merits of the case? Voting - with the majority of Tory voters - as a way of kicking the Lib Dems is all rather childish.

 

I'm strongly in favour of AV, but I value lower tuition fees, no sadistic benefit cuts, no uprooting of the NHS, no EMA cuts, no 20% police cuts etc. much higher than AV - therefore, anything I can do to weaken the Coalition, I'll do. It's not about just "kicking the Lib Dems", it's about trying to stop this government doing the sadistic things they're doing - the Lib Dems made their choice to associate themselves witth them. In any case, I genuinely don't believe there's going to be a strong third party again for atleast 10 years, therefore the need for voting reform in the medium-term has been lessened.

 

 

But this was wasn't "an election pledge" though. This was probably their flagship election pledge. I know quite afew students who voted for Lib Dems because of their stance on tuition fees.

 

Exactly. There's no recent precedent for this.

But this was wasn't "an election pledge" though. This was probably their flagship election pledge. I know quite afew students who voted for Lib Dems because of their stance on tuition fees.

No it wasn't. The four key priorities were

 

Fair taxes

A fair start for every child

Fair, clean and local politics

A fiar, green economy with jobs which will last

 

Yes, of course the fees issue was played up when targetting the student vote. The big mistake was signing the pledge. Withot that it would have been possible to say that the manifesto was about what a majority Lib Dem government would do. There is bound to be a difference between what a majority Lib Dem government would do and what a government with the Lib Dems as the junior partner would do.

I can't wait to campaign to get John Hemming kicked out of his seat at the next election.

I'm strongly in favour of AV, but I value lower tuition fees, no sadistic benefit cuts, no uprooting of the NHS, no EMA cuts, no 20% police cuts etc. much higher than AV - therefore, anything I can do to weaken the Coalition, I'll do. It's not about just "kicking the Lib Dems", it's about trying to stop this government doing the sadistic things they're doing - the Lib Dems made their choice to associate themselves witth them. In any case, I genuinely don't believe there's going to be a strong third party again for atleast 10 years, therefore the need for voting reform in the medium-term has been lessened.

Exactly. There's no recent precedent for this.

But the referendum is about AV, nothing else. If voters use the referendum to give the Lib Dems a kicking, what incentive is there for a future government to hold a referendum on anything?

 

The same applies to the local elections. As a councillor I saw good councillors from all three parties lose their seats not because they were bad councillors but because their party was unpopular at the time. Most of the time the new councillors were worse than the people they'd defeated. That isn't good for local government.

I can't wait to campaign to get John Hemming kicked out of his seat at the next election.

I'm strongly in favour of AV, but I value lower tuition fees, no sadistic benefit cuts, no uprooting of the NHS, no EMA cuts, no 20% police cuts etc. much higher than AV - therefore, anything I can do to weaken the Coalition, I'll do. It's not about just "kicking the Lib Dems", it's about trying to stop this government doing the sadistic things they're doing - the Lib Dems made their choice to associate themselves witth them. In any case, I genuinely don't believe there's going to be a strong third party again for atleast 10 years, therefore the need for voting reform in the medium-term has been lessened.

Exactly. There's no recent precedent for this.

Yes there is.

1992 - the Tories promised to cut taxes. In their first post-election budget they introduced the biggest tax increases since WWII.

1997 - Labour promised not to introduce tuition fees. They introduced tuition fees.

2001 - Labour promised not to increase tuition fees. They trebled tuition fees.

Yes there is.

1992 - the Tories promised to cut taxes. In their first post-election budget they introduced the biggest tax increases since WWII.

1997 - Labour promised not to introduce tuition fees. They introduced tuition fees.

2001 - Labour promised not to increase tuition fees. They trebled tuition fees.

 

So, four wrongs make a right then, is that what we're saying...?? Fukk off... It's about bloody time Election Pledges and manifestos were made LEGALLY BINDING... I'm 100% with Mark Thomas on this... These people are fukkin' scum, and it's little wonder half the country doesn't even bother voting.. I know I never will ever again....... I think it's about time we had a revolution in this country to be honest, consider me now 100% Anarchist....... Fukk the political system, fukk the New World Order... I think I'm gonna download this DDoS thing and start attacking Corporations along with Anonymous.....

 

Nicked off of one of my Facebook mates....

 

David Cameron and Nick Clegg walk into a bookshop and ask for a book on coalitions.

 

The storekeeper says, "It's over there on the left.... sorry, I mean the right.... No! I tell a lie. We sold out.

 

:lol: :lol:

 

Hmm Scottish MPs voting in favour? Scottish voting for tutition fees AND agreeing with the Tories? Bye bye seat!

 

I say it a lot and I'll say it again: Education should be a right, not a privilage

 

Nicked off of one of my Facebook mates....

 

David Cameron and Nick Clegg walk into a bookshop and ask for a book on coalitions.

 

The storekeeper says, "It's over there on the left.... sorry, I mean the right.... No! I tell a lie. We sold out.

 

:lol: :lol:

About four people on my friends list including me have that status :lol: