True. Not only in sales, but I've noticed it's the UK #1s that've had really bad chart runs. Most of the US ones have spent a decent amount of time in the chart (except Beautiful Monster, probably), and a lot of them even climbed there, like OMG, Telephone, Club Can't Handle Me, Just the Way You Are and Airplanes.

That's what i'm saying! Most songs with good chart runs are those with massive airplay (radio/tv). It's like a circle. Radio promotes us acts (in an overplayed point) while audience gets addicted to it and asking for more! Even if the song is crap! I don't know if i'm paranoid but i think that's how it works!

Plus, it's the trend in every country to overlook foreign music rather local acts.

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I think generally American music has been better than British music this year. Urban acts don't normally have longevity anyway! (Bar Tinie Tempah)

Is Willow nearly #1? She needs to get a move on to get the #1 boost before BEP catch her up after x factor!

That's what i'm saying! Most songs with good chart runs are those with massive airplay (radio/tv). It's like a circle. Radio promotes us acts (in an overplayed point) while audience gets addicted to it and asking for more! Even if the song is crap! I don't know if i'm paranoid but i think that's how it works!

Plus, it's the trend in every country to overlook foreign music rather local acts.

 

Yeah, that's true.

 

It's always annoyed me when a song has a front-loaded chart run, and sales, and then people are like "Haha, look at their chart run. The song is so bad, nobody wants to buy it. lolollolol". I'm sitting there thinking "How do you expect it to maintain sales, with the promotion its getting?".

 

Like the two versions of Forget You. The explicit version, which got almost minimal promotion got to #1 on iTunes when it was released, and then went down the charts quickly. The clean version got to #4 (I think) on iTunes, but eventually outstayed the front-loaded explicit version, and spent a couple of extra weeks in the top 10. Not neccessarily because it's better, just because it's the clean version that everybody is hearing every 20 minutes on the radio.

 

I'm pretty sure if Green Light got the radio support that Forget You, Bad Romance, Just the Way You Are, I Gotta Feeling, etc. got, then it would've sold more than spent longer in the chart.

 

But yeah, you're right I think. US artists have a much easier time getting radio airplay than UK artists. People like Lady Gaga can release her next single, and sit in her appartment in the US, and it will almost certainly get to #1 on the airplay and sales charts all around the world, no matter how bad it is, and no matter how much work she puts in. On the other hand, you've got people like Diana Vickers who have to go and tour the 30 biggest commercial stations in the country to do interviews and practically beg them to playlist her. She did really well with Once to be fair. All my local stations playlisted it except Heart FM.

The Manic Street Preachers have got a new single this week and they are performing on Strictly Dancing. :cheer:

""Whip My Hair" is a song by American recording artist Willow Smith. The song is the debut single from her yet-to-be-titled debut release. The song was written by Janae Rockwell and Ronald "Jukebox" Jackson, with the latter producing the track"

 

Guess she didn't wrote the song after all :teresa:

Yeah, that's true.

 

It's always annoyed me when a song has a front-loaded chart run, and sales, and then people are like "Haha, look at their chart run. The song is so bad, nobody wants to buy it. lolollolol". I'm sitting there thinking "How do you expect it to maintain sales, with the promotion its getting?".

 

Like the two versions of Forget You. The explicit version, which got almost minimal promotion got to #1 on iTunes when it was released, and then went down the charts quickly. The clean version got to #4 (I think) on iTunes, but eventually outstayed the front-loaded explicit version, and spent a couple of extra weeks in the top 10. Not neccessarily because it's better, just because it's the clean version that everybody is hearing every 20 minutes on the radio.

 

I'm pretty sure if Green Light got the radio support that Forget You, Bad Romance, Just the Way You Are, I Gotta Feeling, etc. got, then it would've sold more than spent longer in the chart.

 

But yeah, you're right I think. US artists have a much easier time getting radio airplay than UK artists. People like Lady Gaga can release her next single, and sit in her appartment in the US, and it will almost certainly get to #1 on the airplay and sales charts all around the world, no matter how bad it is, and no matter how much work she puts in. On the other hand, you've got people like Diana Vickers who have to go and tour the 30 biggest commercial stations in the country to do interviews and practically beg them to playlist her. She did really well with Once to be fair. All my local stations playlisted it except Heart FM.

Correct! (Although things didn't work for Christina Aguilera :kink: US artists can be sure that their songs will be playlisted! (You can say that audience asks for it...but as i set its a circle starting from media). But UK acts like Diana or adorable Marina and the Diamonds etc. get such a small amount of plays, that is obvious that people won't notice them. Give them the actual radio/tv promotion as given to Lady Gaga/Rihanna/Katy Perry and then see if they will actually "flop" or not.

The Manic Street Preachers have got a new single this week and they are performing on Strictly Dancing. :cheer:

 

I actually bought their previous single (Just the End of Love)! I hope this is good too! :D

 

However, I think part of the reason I bought it was because it sounds a lot like Stomp by Steps, i.e. I bought it for the nostalgia. It reminds me of Junior school. I loved Steps so much back then. :wub:

That's what i'm saying! Most songs with good chart runs are those with massive airplay (radio/tv). It's like a circle. Radio promotes us acts (in an overplayed point) while audience gets addicted to it and asking for more! Even if the song is crap! I don't know if i'm paranoid but i think that's how it works!

Plus, it's the trend in every country to overlook foreign music rather local acts.

 

 

your totally right, the problem with uk acts is that their record labels put them under pressure to be no1 so they hold back the release instead of releasing the dload straight away like alot of us acts.so they rise and fall instead of entering high and being front loaded.Its okay when great songs like pokerface get to no1 over here but when terrible things like poison or whip my hair do well its depressing.

 

no way willow smith wrote her song, what age is she - like 9?

Correct! (Although things didn't work for Christina Aguilera :kink: US artists can be sure that their songs will be playlisted! (You can say that audience asks for it...but as i set its a circle starting from media). But UK acts like Diana or adorable Marina and the Diamonds etc. get such a small amount of plays, that is obvious that people won't notice them. Give them the actual radio/tv promotion as given to Lady Gaga/Rihanna/Katy Perry and then see if they will actually "flop" or not.

 

 

exactly, its about one thing - MONEY!!

 

just look at the acts being promoted on the xfactor tonight.

your totally right, the problem with uk acts is that their record labels put them under pressure to be no1 so they hold back the release instead of releasing the dload straight away like alot of us acts.so they rise and fall instead of entering high and being front loaded.Its okay when great songs like pokerface get to no1 over here but when terrible things like poison or whip my hair do well its depressing.

 

no way willow smith wrote her song, what age is she - like 9?

Even the pressure from record labels for that number one is because they know that when the act hit number one (good or crap), the song will get more attention from radio-audience. This way of thinking has brought music to the worst spot. Creating pointless crap music which of course becomes number one. I'm more concern for those talented artists that can't find their place in the charts because radio 1 or x-factor don't have a slot for them.

exactly, notice how the charts have changed even since downloads were introduced to create more 'democracy' in the top 40, in the past 2 years we ahve saw how record companies have tried to regain control of the no1 spot again after the initial brillant chart runs of the first years of dloads.now more and more singles are held off for 6 weeks of airplay before being released whereas a better way of doing things would be to release the single after maybe one week after the single is premiered and then release the video, then in week three do live tv promos - this way we will see how popular a song actually is.

I can't see Coldplay doing well this week, i can see them maybe climbing to around 13, there performing this on top of the pops special :)

 

 

what TOTPs special is this - the christmas day edition?

exactly, notice how the charts have changed even since downloads were introduced to create more 'democracy' in the top 40, in the past 2 years we ahve saw how record companies have tried to regain control of the no1 spot again after the initial brillant chart runs of the first years of dloads.now more and more singles are held off for 6 weeks of airplay before being released whereas a better way of doing things would be to release the single after maybe one week after the single is premiered and then release the video, then in week three do live tv promos - this way we will see how popular a song actually is.

Too bad we don't own record companies! :rofl:

I will take for example Joe mcelderry. I don't like him but he's got a nice voice. Won X factor and they gave him to sing The Climb ( i guess this is in the contract and he has to do it). And what's next? Releasing another cover. They were sure that he was going to be number one (even if the song was crap), so they didn't care what he was going to release (probably Joe didn't want his debut single to be a cover, and something he may not even like). They don't give a $h!t about artists. Because if they were, Joe's album wasn't going to be out yet! And it was going to be way different!

exactly, notice how the charts have changed even since downloads were introduced to create more 'democracy' in the top 40, in the past 2 years we ahve saw how record companies have tried to regain control of the no1 spot again after the initial brillant chart runs of the first years of dloads.now more and more singles are held off for 6 weeks of airplay before being released whereas a better way of doing things would be to release the single after maybe one week after the single is premiered and then release the video, then in week three do live tv promos - this way we will see how popular a song actually is.

 

Yes, but you do realize if we did it that way, the only UK songs that would've got #1 this year would probably have been like Everybody Hurts, Shout, Heroes, and then probably Pass Out, and maybe the JLS songs, as their fans would download it the day it was released anyway, regardless of promo.

 

That said, Love the Way You Lie would've got to #1 for sure if it was done that way.

Wow, all three were brilliant :o The Sats performed with flo rida at the jingle bells..

Willow smith shoul dget a boost as whip my hair is on all the talk talk adverts atm.

Yes, but you do realize if we did it that way, the only UK songs that would've got #1 this year would probably have been like Everybody Hurts, Shout, Heroes, and then probably Pass Out, and maybe the JLS songs, as their fans would download it the day it was released anyway, regardless of promo.

 

That said, Love the Way You Lie would've got to #1 for sure if it was done that way.

 

 

idont care where the artist is from, it just so happens alot of tripe comes from america.

 

love the way you lie is the best example of the duplication of the charts in 2010.the biggest pop hit of the year by far but it only gets to no2 because of alot of frontloaded songs

Willow Smith #1

Willow Smith - #1

Black Eyed Peas - #3

Eminem - #18

Alexandra - #48

 

Willow Smith #1

:dance: Lets hope she can stay there! :D The BEPs better not take over... <_<