White Lies is an ABSOLUTE TUNE. I love how for the most part girl and boybands release dance tracks instead of cheese these days. I think The Saturdays best hope of going beyond their fanbase is to continually release dance tracks cos everytime they bring out a dull ballad it's like one step forward two steps back. Their fans don't even like them, they sould leave them as album tracks.

Edited November 24, 201113 yr by BuzzLightyear

I really feel for the saturdays, #17 after 3 singles is terrible :(, I really really hope they dont do a Pixie next week either. She's gone from 18 to 39 (Looks like she might be out top 40 on sunday and only have 1 week in the chart) So i really hope that doesn't happen to this album, Because personally i think the album is there best and its amazing!

I really feel for the saturdays, #17 after 3 singles is terrible :(, I really really hope they dont do a Pixie next week either. She's gone from 18 to 39 (Looks like she might be out top 40 on sunday and only have 1 week in the chart) So i really hope that doesn't happen to this album, Because personally i think the album is there best and its amazing!

 

The difference is, they were never at Pixie's level of expectation or past success. She's had way more sales, airplay and bigger promotional slots. For Pixie, it was an underwhelming start, a sign of things to come, but for TheSats it would be just the usual sales, and they could keep sales steady with the next singles. What is #17 now was a top5 three months ago, so I think there a reasons enough to keep up the faith.

Edited November 24, 201113 yr by The47thbelmon

The difference is, they were never at Pixie's level of expectation or past success. She's had way more sales, airplay and bigger promotional slots. For Pixie, it was an underwhelming start, a sign of things to come, but for TheSats it would be just the usual sales, and they could keep sales steady with the next singles. What is #17 now was a top5 three months ago, so I think there a reasons enough to keep up the faith.

 

My thoughts exactly. The Pixie comparisons weren't justified for me; but when you mention it like that it makes more sense. If they open with 22k sales this week then they're in the same position as they have been for the past few years - no or little growth. After 3 singles, 3 albums etc etc etc they should be ahead of their game..

Edited November 24, 201113 yr by 2ndAdventure

After 3 singles, 3 albums etc etc etc they should be ahead of their game..

 

Of course, but it's not a sign to think about the immediate end of the band, a huge drop in the second week and the rest of coments you can read on music boards nowadays either.

It's definitely not the end I agree.

 

The difference with this album is they've invested more money into this campaign than any other they've done before. I think the label would rather them push this if it starts to tank rather than just abandon it like they did with Wordshaker. They're a lucrative act, and since they're pretty much the only active girl band in the UK, they should be able to play that to their advantage.

I can't see a band like The Saturdays ever being dropped. Whatever happens with their sales they're still a big name in the UK and if they got dropped they'd probably get signed by someone else straight away. It's not like they're Mini Viva, Parade, Wonderland etc who can be dropped and no one cares, The Sats are very well known and are each celebrities as well as just being in the band.

 

I do think next year there will be a Greatest Hits. If there's a fourth single released it probably won't be until January/February and thus they wouldn't have time to record and release another new album next year. A GH SHOULD do well (although they're very hit and miss) and then the year after the girls can return with their fifth album.

I can't see a band like The Saturdays ever being dropped. Whatever happens with their sales they're still a big name in the UK and if they got dropped they'd probably get signed by someone else straight away. It's not like they're Mini Viva, Parade, Wonderland etc who can be dropped and no one cares, The Sats are very well known and are each celebrities as well as just being in the band.

Then you're blinded. Record labels are businesses, not charities. The Saturdays have had four albums now and none since their first have managed to sell Platinum. It's not like they're being continually mishandled, they've had several excellent singles campaigns but there isn't much of an audience for their albums. Any label who would sign them would not be able to make them profitable because something isn't clicking with the public at large.

 

And 95% of artists are in risk of being dropped if they stop selling, barely anybody is untouchable, much less the Saturdays! You would have thought Sugababes were all but undroppable but two flop albums later they were without a label.

 

Then you're blinded. Record labels are businesses, not charities. The Saturdays have had four albums now and none since their first have managed to sell Platinum. It's not like they're being continually mishandled, they've had several excellent singles campaigns but there isn't much of an audience for their albums. Any label who would sign them would not be able to make them profitable because something isn't clicking with the public at large.

 

And 95% of artists are in risk of being dropped if they stop selling, barely anybody is untouchable, much less the Saturdays! You would have thought Sugababes were all but undroppable but two flop albums later they were without a label.

 

 

And re-signed with another label I believe, plus that 'million pound deal' (or what ever it was) for Universal publishing?

 

The Sats are a lucrative brand. They may not bring as much income in through their records, but it's made up from elsewhere. It's not about being 'blinded', you just have to look outside the box and think, "yes ok they may be a record label, but they make profit from tours, merch, endorsements"..

 

There are many bands in a worse position that The Saturdays and they're still around.

 

Of course there's an audience for them. If there wasn't, they would have been dropped after Wordshaker. They're just not clicking as such with the public at the moment, and I can see why; Too many image changes, and their sound hops from one to the next. There doesn't seem to be a common ground for the public to really invest in their music, but that doesn't mean their audience isn't there.

Edited November 25, 201113 yr by 2ndAdventure

As Shadow209 says, The Saturdays are well known faces and names. As long as they keep relevant and keep their faces in the papers then they are getting enough promotion to sell records. Everyone knows they arent massive sellers but they dont do badly and as long as singles sales keep up and tours sell enough tickets then they will be around.

Be realistic for a minute here guys. The lead single from their album just bombed. The arena dates are using limited seating but even then none of them are selling out so they probably won't sell any more tickets than if they had just toured academies again (and why would the amount of people who want to see them live have grown since their last tour when their popularity as a chart act hasn't increased?). I'm sorry but I think people ARE being blinded because they're big Saturdays fans and can't imagine a pop landscape without them. I get that but you have to try and realise that most people among the general public could very easily imagine a pop landscape without the Saturdays because in the three and a half years they've been going, they simply have not impacted on the public consciousness in the way that Girls Aloud had within two years of their formation. They're not an A-list chart act, they're not tabloid favourites (the Daily Mail might post lots of pictures of them clubbing but they're not making the front page of the red tops for their personal dramas are they?)... even if they were, how is being splashed across the tabloids going to make them sell records? Photos of them with their boyfriends on a night out will not affect their record sales in the slightest and that's a silly notion to have. I don't understand where this idea that they're 'lucrative' comes from. Lucrative how?

 

I like them a lot (moreso than before with the release of what is by far their best album yet) but they're not invincible and they will need a very big turnaround very quickly if they're going to survive another eighteen months.

 

As for the Sugababes, they're 100% over regardless of what 'publishing' deal they've signed (and christ, even Nadine has a publishing deal!) but my point is that they were dropped and the Saturdays never had the popularity that the Sugababes did at their peak or even a third of it.

 

"The Saturdays are a lucrative brand" made me chuckle a bit. I don't really understand how they can be a particularly profitable band, given their overall level of success (and that's inclusive of their ventures beyond record sales).

 

I'm not suggesting that the following analysis is correct, but this is the way I see it. I think their management and label decided to keep pouring money into them (after the 'Wordshaker' failure) with the foresight that they'd eventually get big returns for their investment - i.e. with this album, which they've been building up to for a long time now. They've been very meticulous in trying to ensure that 'On Your Radar' would be their true breakthrough success - what with the release of 'Headlines' to help salvage the group after 'Wordshaker' tanked, and no less than three singles proceeding 'On Your Radar' over a six month period. That definitely shows a lot of faith from their management/label - but surely now is the time they'll be wanting to see some major returns for their efforts.

 

Unfortunately after all that build up to this release, they're heading for low Top 20, with sales no greater than their previous releases. I don't see how that can be anything other than worrying. At this point, Polydor have tried just about everything to make this group shift albums, but they're not. Surely this will test their patience with The Saturdays, in terms of just how many chances they're willing to give them.

 

The only logical next step for The Saturdays is a Greatest Hits album, I suppose. That's the only other alternative left to encourage people en masse to actually buy an album by them. I see very little point in them recording another studio album, blindly hoping they'll do better next time.

 

I do understand that fans are trying to remain positive, but there is being positive and then there's over-inflating their achievements in an attempt to justify the current situation. I'm quite impressed by how some fans can spin midweek #17 & a possible 20k+ of sales as some kind of commendable success for them! :unsure:

 

I hope people don't automatically process this post as me being a "hater", because I'm far from it. I've loved The Saturdays since the very early days and I still enjoy their music immensely - I think 'On Your Radar' is great, and I'd be made up for them if it was actually doing well this week. I'm just not the sort of fan who sugarcoats situations and fires off excuse after excuse in an attempt to portray that they're doing well. They're really not at the moment, and I can admit that - I worry for them as a viable pop act who can stick around for much longer. Fingers crossed they can, but something radical has to happen to ensure this, no doubt about it.

"The Saturdays are a lucrative brand" made me chuckle a bit. I don't really understand how they can be a particularly profitable band, given their overall level of success (and that's inclusive of their ventures beyond record sales).

 

I'm not suggesting that the following analysis is correct, but this is the way I see it. I think their management and label decided to keep pouring money into them (after the 'Wordshaker' failure) with the foresight that they'd eventually get big returns for their investment - i.e. with this album, which they've been building up to for a long time now. They've been very meticulous in trying to ensure that 'On Your Radar' would be their true breakthrough success - what with the release of 'Headlines' to help salvage the group after 'Wordshaker' tanked, and no less than three singles proceeding 'On Your Radar' over a six month period. That definitely shows a lot of faith from their management/label - but surely now is the time they'll be wanting to see some major returns for their efforts.

 

Unfortunately after all that build up to this release, they're heading for low Top 20, with sales no greater than their previous releases. I don't see how that can be anything other than worrying. At this point, Polydor have tried just about everything to make this group shift albums, but they're not. Surely this will test their patience with The Saturdays, in terms of just how many chances they're willing to give them.

 

The only logical next step for The Saturdays is a Greatest Hits album, I suppose. That's the only other alternative left to encourage people en masse to actually buy an album by them. I see very little point in them recording another studio album, blindly hoping they'll do better next time.

 

I do understand that fans are trying to remain positive, but there is being positive and then there's over-inflating their achievements in an attempt to justify the current situation. I'm quite impressed by how some fans can spin midweek #17 & a possible 20k+ of sales as some kind of commendable success for them! :unsure:

 

I hope people don't automatically process this post as me being a "hater", because I'm far from it. I've loved The Saturdays since the very early days and I still enjoy their music immensely - I think 'On Your Radar' is great, and I'd be made up for them if it was actually doing well this week. I'm just not the sort of fan who sugarcoats situations and fires off excuse after excuse in an attempt to portray that they're doing well. They're really not at the moment, and I can admit that - I worry for them as a viable pop act who can stick around for much longer. Fingers crossed they can, but something radical has to happen to ensure this, no doubt about it.

 

This.

People always expect too much of them, and they always end up being disappointed. They've been doing just fine until now with their low-decent album sales, some hit singles and selling theatre tours...why is that suddenly reason to drop them immediately? Why can't they remain as a middle profile act for a few years more?

People always expect too much of them, and they always end up being disappointed. They've been doing just fine until now with their low-decent album sales, some hit singles and selling theatre tours...why is that suddenly reason to drop them immediately? Why can't they remain as a middle profile act for a few years more?

Because this time they've had more money pumped into them so the returns have to be bigger to make that money back. The All Fired Up video was their most expensive to date, they flew out to Iceland for My Heart Takes Over, they've used bigger name producers like Xenomania and Steve Mac... all of this adds up.

 

Great post by the way Jay.

 

Down to #20 today so will probably miss the top 20 altogether come Sunday evening. :(

 

This won't be a consistent seller and I reckon this will most likely crash out of the top 40 next week and be Wordshaker Part II. It's falling on iTunes and people clearly aren't buying the album physically so it's inevitable I think. Then there's the issue of them being unable to try and salvage the album with promotion now because of the tour, then they've got their 2 wks off over Xmas (which is understandable because.. well, it's Christmas and New Year :P), so really this is a pretty awful result when if it falls further. They can't exactly brush this album under the carpet like they did Wordshaker imo so hopefully they can try and amend things early next year. I don't know.

 

They're still stuck in the same position they were two years ago and I'm clueless as to what they can do to click and connect more with the general public - and then translate it into sales. The label probably thought this would be their second big mainstream success after Chasing Lights as well seeing as they brushed Wordshaker under the carpet and left it for dead, and then it seems like they percieved Headlines to be an EP for the fans and act as a 'bridge' between Wordshaker and On Your Radar, hence why so much time, money and effort has seemingly gone into this campaign and yet it still goes wrong - and it doesn't look like Fascination/Polydor are going to see much of a return... and if Faster is the 4th single, I can't see that saving the era that much to be honest? :unsure: I do hope so, though.

 

What will this even get first week? Just under 20k?

Edited November 25, 201113 yr by Encore

It's already fallen five places since the Wednesday midweeks, so it could end up much worse than #20 by Sunday.

 

I don't even know what to say.

I'm glad some of you agreed with my post, I was rather fearing a bad reaction! :lol:

 

A 3 place fall in today's midweeks is far worse than I expected. Only a miracle will keep them Top 20 by Sunday. I'd love to know how the girls & label are reacting as they read these midweeks - thank goodness they're not filming a documentary at the moment! :blush:

 

In other news, 'On Your Radar' debuts at #43 in Ireland - their worst yet.

 

#34 - Chasing Lights

#36 - Wordshaker

#10 - Headlines

#43 - On Your Radar

Some top songs on the album but Little Mix will kill this lot off. They're more relatable than a collection of wags and women who go out with models and they're bouind to open up with a big song. The Saturday's problem is the singles... they've released 3 albums and haven't even had a massive hit yet! They've still flourished due to lack of credible competition but a girl group who can win the X Factor or even make the final will be a massive threat.

This is awful. :( I really thought this album would actually be their biggest first week sales and chart low top 10 or just outside of it, but I'm worried that it's looking likely to not even chart top 20! They need to get another single out quickly, otherwise there's no hope in saving the album.