It really annoys me how much emphasis is put on the #1 in the chart. It's as if no one other than chart geeks cares about 2 downwards :( Reggie doesn't help

 

believe me, I do care about the whole charts- but I just don't like the same number 1 for weeks and weeks :( I also don't like charts with hardly any new entries

 

ima: why do you bother? seriously? just being rude and waffling rants which no one will read :huh: I'm very surprised the mods have put up with you for so long

Edited May 6, 201114 yr by chart wizard

I'm not so sure, because in other countries where they've always done on air, on sale, their charts can move very slowly.

 

But yeah, hopefully they speed up. One thing I've noticed is that a lot of songs seem to climb to their peak in just a few weeks, and then slowly descend the chart, so they're at least quick on their way up.

you can see that already when the video airplay kicks in...recent examples being bruno mars and chris brown!!

you can see that already when the video airplay kicks in...recent examples being bruno mars and chris brown!!

 

Yes, with Bruno Mars.

 

No with Chris Brown. It actually had a music video before the album was released, and before the song was put on iTunes, I believe, yet, I think the song only entered the chart at #95 in its first week, or something like that.

 

The song must've shot up the charts because of radio airplay, I think. Capital started playing it pretty much at the same time as it was shooting up iTunes, and now it's on Radio 1's playlist too.

 

Music videos aren't everything. The song that's currently #1 on iTunes doesn't have a music video. Neither does Pitbull's track.

there are so many pitbull tracks i thought his new one had a vid, as for david guetta i didnt even know it was a new release....is it OA/OS?

 

as for beautiful people...ithink the fact there was a video doesnt necessarily mean it was being played loads - there are different videos for different countries so some artists make 2/3/4 videos at the same time.i think chris brown has released look at me now as the 2nd single in the us??

Yes, with Bruno Mars.

 

No with Chris Brown. It actually had a music video before the album was released, and before the song was put on iTunes, I believe, yet, I think the song only entered the chart at #95 in its first week, or something like that.

 

The song must've shot up the charts because of radio airplay, I think. Capital started playing it pretty much at the same time as it was shooting up iTunes, and now it's on Radio 1's playlist too.

 

Music videos aren't everything. The song that's currently #1 on iTunes doesn't have a music video. Neither does Pitbull's track.

Beautiful People climbed the charts at the same time it started exploding on the music channels, actually, so steve201 is technically right.

 

This is the video airplay chart from the week it climbed from #95 to #20 officially:

http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?s...t&p=3514840

 

Of course it also jumped highly on the radio (100-38) that week, so it was probably a combined effort more than one thing.

Edited May 6, 201114 yr by superbossanova

Yes, with Bruno Mars.

 

No with Chris Brown. It actually had a music video before the album was released, and before the song was put on iTunes, I believe, yet, I think the song only entered the chart at #95 in its first week, or something like that.

 

The song must've shot up the charts because of radio airplay, I think. Capital started playing it pretty much at the same time as it was shooting up iTunes, and now it's on Radio 1's playlist too.

 

Music videos aren't everything. The song that's currently #1 on iTunes doesn't have a music video. Neither does Pitbull's track.

 

I may be wrong about this but IIRC there was no video for BP until midway through the second week of the album's release (or at least it wasn't getting played anywhere until then). It charted in the low top 200 on the album's release week, then with the additional half a week or so of sales boost from the video it rose to #95 the next week, then in its third week with the full effect of the video it shot up to #20. Increasing video and radio play accounts for the rest of its ascent.

 

Music videos aren't everything, no, but they certainly help a lot. David Guetta in particular seems to be immune to this as Sexy Bitch was already massive before its video (in fact I believe it got to #1 before the video). I suspect WDGA will follow suit.

Edited May 6, 201114 yr by Bray

Okay, I've checked, and the Beautiful People music video came out during the album's release week, but not before the album was released. I knew the video was released so early though, because that was the main basis behind me thinking it would be the 2nd UK single instead of Look At Me Now (plus, Look At Me Now wouldn't do well in Europe, it's not very dancey, so wouldn't do too well outside of the US at the moment unfortunately).

 

Yeah, I do think music videos help a lot. I mean, I'm sure we all remember Telephone from last year!! :lol:

 

Music videos indeed are not everything. Songs from ALL genres have done well in the charts without aid of a music video. They're just another form of promotion. It's very rare that I've liked/hated a song because of the music video. I use my ears to determine what to download, just as everybody else does.

Music videos indeed are not everything. Songs from ALL genres have done well in the charts without aid of a music video. They're just another form of promotion. It's very rare that I've liked/hated a song because of the music video. I use my ears to determine what to download, just as everybody else does.

 

That's not what everyone is saying :P Urban genre songs tend to get more video play than other songs so more people hear them meaning more people buy them. Simples. No one's saying people buy a song they hate because they like the video :lol:

That's not what everyone is saying :P Urban genre songs tend to get more video play than other songs so more people hear them meaning more people buy them. Simples. No one's saying people buy a song they hate because they like the video :lol:

 

I hope people weren't suggesting that! :lol:

 

Urban videos get more video airplay in general because all the music channels care about is making money, and evidently urban music videos attract more viewers = more money. I assume it's a combination of younger kids being the main source of viewers for MTV, so if you're playing these urban songs, more of them will want to watch the channel.

 

And urban songs tend to do less well on radio airplay because radio is often just played in the background type of thing. Or something played in public, so the music needs to be less polarizing, and generally liked. A radio station that plays Grenade, Someone Like You and Price Tag a lot will get more listeners due to this. Whilst more "out there" songs, perhaps like Bass Down Low and The Time, will suffer on radio airplay because of this.

 

Yes, I know Grenade, Someone Like You and Price Tag are all urban, but you know what I mean. They're quite poppy and non-controversial, and the sorts of songs that elderly people might just about be able to tolerate, etc.

i would describe PT for example as urban but they are 'moderate'urban songs compared to more extreme urban songs which stay closer to the genres heart and principles if you know what i mean.the more moderate the song the more likely it will appeal beyond typically urban fans and so chart higher!!

 

as for the radio airplay arguement i agree totally...the more moderate songs are the greater airplay they will recieve and the more chart sucess they have as more of the population like them.as for the video airplay arguement iagree and have argued with eric before about (recently near the end of last weeks chart show thread)the unfairness in video play on mtv.

Why is the video airplay any more unfair than the radio airplay though? Both are biased, and with regards to urban music, one is biased in favour of it, the other is biased against it.

 

I agree about the "moderate" thing you're saying. I think what it is, is while a song like Price Tag is urban, it's also pop, so it makes more people be able to tolerate it. Infact, I'd say it's probably more pop than it is urban, whilst with Do It Like a Dude, I'd say is the other way around (and DILAD gets less airplay; I doubt Heart or Radio 2 have ever even played it before).

EDIT: Comment removed because I actually can't be bothered to get involved in another pointless 'argument' here.

 

ON AIR/ON SALE FOREVER though, guys!!!! :D :cheer:

Edited May 7, 201114 yr by superbossanova

I'm finding this On Air/On Sale malarky a bit rubbish tbh. Alot of tracks do not seem to be living up to their potential (Bring It, Yeah Right, Set My World On Fire) purely because their not making the upper reaches of the chart and therefore not being heard. Instead, were getting the same songs in the Top 20 week in week out because it's all they're hearing. Just my opinion obvz but that's what I feel is beginning to happen. :(

Yes, I know Grenade, Someone Like You and Price Tag are all urban, but you know what I mean. They're quite poppy and non-controversial, and the sorts of songs that elderly people might just about be able to tolerate, etc.

 

em, really... :unsure:

I'm finding this On Air/On Sale malarky a bit rubbish tbh. Alot of tracks do not seem to be living up to their potential (Bring It, Yeah Right, Set My World On Fire) purely because their not making the upper reaches of the chart and therefore not being heard. Instead, were getting the same songs in the Top 20 week in week out because it's all they're hearing. Just my opinion obvz but that's what I feel is beginning to happen. :(

 

This!

Why is the video airplay any more unfair than the radio airplay though? Both are biased, and with regards to urban music, one is biased in favour of it, the other is biased against it.

 

I agree about the "moderate" thing you're saying. I think what it is, is while a song like Price Tag is urban, it's also pop, so it makes more people be able to tolerate it. Infact, I'd say it's probably more pop than it is urban, whilst with Do It Like a Dude, I'd say is the other way around (and DILAD gets less airplay; I doubt Heart or Radio 2 have ever even played it before).

 

because radio has a better variety of genres than mtv.videos are shown more on mtv of artists who are young, good looking and will be watched by more people - hence rihanna etc will always see their songs shoot up the charts when their video is released.

Why is the video airplay any more unfair than the radio airplay though? Both are biased, and with regards to urban music, one is biased in favour of it, the other is biased against it.

 

Which is which then, as offhand I can see very little difference?

 

PS, something totally off-topic

 

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Edited May 7, 201114 yr by vidcapper

Which is which then, as offhand I can see very little difference?

 

Most major radio stations don't play rap music very often. Radio 1/1Xtra and Capital do but most others don't.

Most major radio stations don't play rap music very often. Radio 1/1Xtra and Capital do but most others don't.

 

It depends how you define 'major radio station' then - for me, there are only two, Radio 1 & 2.

Capital most certainly is, purely if it is now rolled out throughout the UK, maybe Heart too. Nothing else though can be considered major.

 

I definitely think OA/OS is a better method of releasing, and it certainly makes me more likely to actually buy a single. It can't however be proved one way or the other which has been more successful. For every Chipmunk who moaned his recent single flopped, there's a Noah & the Whale, who would never have made 12 weeks in the top 40 last year. And for every J-Lo, there's a Katy B who's single peaked high and plummeted.