I love that so many OA/OS doubters use 'Beat of My Drum' to prove their point and now the held back for weeks follow-up flops much harder! :D

 

And...how many times have you heard Lucky Day on the radio? :lol:

And...how many times have you heard Lucky Day on the radio? :lol:

But that backs up the whole point I've been making for months. A song will only sell if it's promoted. An On Air/On Sale track that receives no promo and flops, flops because it had no promo, NOT because it was OA/OS, and most detractors of it use Britney, Saturdays, Chipmunk, Nicola Roberts and the girl from the Roll Deep song whose name I forget as examples of why OA/OS doesn't work. Not the fact they've had a ridiculously low amount of airplay for that artist. When an OA/OS song is given promotion, it sells!

Any sign of Britney's Criminal? It had it first play on Radio 1 this afternoon..

I adore Loca People right now. It's so bad it's good. Number 1 next week!

But that backs up the whole point I've been making for months. A song will only sell if it's promoted. An On Air/On Sale track that receives no promo and flops, flops because it had no promo, NOT because it was OA/OS, and most detractors of it use Britney, Saturdays, Chipmunk, Nicola Roberts and the girl from the Roll Deep song whose name I forget as examples of why OA/OS doesn't work. Not the fact they've had a ridiculously low amount of airplay for that artist. When an OA/OS song is given promotion, it sells!

 

Yeah, that's true.

 

Although Lucky Day might aswell be on air, on sale (well, not really, but it's not far off). It's definitely had a lot less airplay than Price Tag, Moves Like Jagger and OMG had before they were released, and I sometimes see them referred to as on air, on sale. I read a report on here a while ago aswell saying that Beat of My Drum was #793 on the airplay chart when it was actually in the charts on week (after being 59p) or something ridiculous, which explains why it didn't sell very well. :drama:

 

And the girl from Good Times is called Jodie Connor btw. :D

 

Any sign of Britney's Criminal? It had it first play on Radio 1 this afternoon..

 

Not in the top 1000. Although, I remember when Radio 1 played Right There for the first time, it didn't enter the top 1000 either after that, but that ended up peaking at #3, so I wouldn't start panicking yet. :lol:

 

I'd be pleased with just top 100 for it though, after what I Wanna Go did.

 

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Bass Down Low was OA/OS and that managed to shift about 250K without much airplay (i'm sure Radio 1 snubbed it) or any live performances here. Down With The Trumpets also done really well.

 

It's okay for "new" artists because when their songs are released on iTunes, nobody knows they exist and when airplay and music video rotation kicks in, people can go and buy it immediately and it rises up the charts before having a decent chart run. With big names (Britney, The Sats and even Nicola Roberts) the fanbase buy the song immediately, it peaks, then plummets and radio snub it because it plummeted and want nothing to do with it thus no chance of recovery.

Yeah, that's true.

 

Although Lucky Day might aswell be on air, on sale (well, not really, but it's not far off). It's definitely had a lot less airplay than Price Tag, Moves Like Jagger and OMG had before they were released, and I sometimes see them referred to as on air, on sale. I read a report on here a while ago aswell saying that Beat of My Drum was #793 on the airplay chart when it was actually in the charts on week (after being 59p) or something ridiculous, which explains why it didn't sell very well. :drama:

 

And the girl from Good Times is called Jodie Connor btw. :D

 

Who has ever called Moves Like Jagger OA/OS? :unsure:

 

Bass Down Low was OA/OS and that managed to shift about 250K without much airplay (i'm sure Radio 1 snubbed it) or any live performances here. Down With The Trumpets also done really well.

 

It's okay for "new" artists because when their songs are released on iTunes, nobody knows they exist and when airplay and music video rotation kicks in, people can go and buy it immediately and it rises up the charts before having a decent chart run. With big names (Britney, The Sats and even Nicola Roberts) the fanbase buy the song immediately, it peaks, then plummets and radio snub it because it plummeted and want nothing to do with it thus no chance of recovery.

 

R1 were pretty much the only station supporting it (mostly because of the Tinie Tempah remix admittedly). It was In The Dark that they snubbed.

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Nicola Roberts is a rubbish example. The current Saturdays single will make for a good comparison with the last one once it falls off the chart..

Bass Down Low was OA/OS and that managed to shift about 250K without much airplay (i'm sure Radio 1 snubbed it) or any live performances here. Down With The Trumpets also done really well.

 

It's okay for "new" artists because when their songs are released on iTunes, nobody knows they exist and when airplay and music video rotation kicks in, people can go and buy it immediately and it rises up the charts before having a decent chart run. With big names (Britney, The Sats and even Nicola Roberts) the fanbase buy the song immediately, it peaks, then plummets and radio snub it because it plummeted and want nothing to do with it thus no chance of recovery.

 

Bass Down Low is another song to add to that list of songs that a lot of people say was on air, on sale, but it actually wasn't. I heard it on Radio 1 months before it was released (the original version obviously). I posted that I heard it in the Bass Down Low thread I think.

 

Down With the Trumpets was a big success from it though. And from a British artist aswell. It's usually the International ones that do best from on air, on sale.

Bass Down Low is another song to add to that list of songs that a lot of people say was on air, on sale, but it actually wasn't. I heard it on Radio 1 months before it was released (the original version obviously). I posted that I heard it in the Bass Down Low thread I think.

 

Hmmm. It's chart run was very "OA/OS" like, though.

 

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Bass Down Low was OA/OS and that managed to shift about 250K without much airplay (i'm sure Radio 1 snubbed it) or any live performances here. Down With The Trumpets also done really well.

 

It's okay for "new" artists because when their songs are released on iTunes, nobody knows they exist and when airplay and music video rotation kicks in, people can go and buy it immediately and it rises up the charts before having a decent chart run. With big names (Britney, The Sats and even Nicola Roberts) the fanbase buy the song immediately, it peaks, then plummets and radio snub it because it plummeted and want nothing to do with it thus no chance of recovery.

 

Then that's the fault of radio bosses and managers and labels, and something I don't understand either. They don't stop supporting a second single if it hasn't made the top 40 after 3 weeks so I don't see why there's any good reason to stop supporting a first single so quickly either. It does tend to benefit new artists but it can work with established artists too. Was The Time (Dirty Bit) not released as soon as it went to air? Lady Gaga and David Guetta keep doing alright with it too, although Gaga does tend to peak first week her singles still get lengthy support from radio and TV so keep selling.

 

Hmmm. It's chart run was very "OA/OS" like, though.

 

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I think Bass Down Low was available to buy as soon as it started receiving any proper support from anywhere so even if the song had been around for a while and had the occasional play by the time it was actually added to playlists it was out to buy.

Hmmm. It's chart run was very "OA/OS" like, though.

 

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Yeah. Probably because it got so little airplay before it was released, that it wouldn't have made much of a difference (like with Lucky Day).

 

The chart run is rather like I'm Into You's actually (which, is another song that people think is on air, on sale, but wasn't, if anybody remembers, Reggie played it during the chart show a month or so before it was released, as a "future hit").

Yeah. Probably because it got so little airplay before it was released, that it wouldn't have made much of a difference (like with Lucky Day).

 

The chart run is rather like I'm Into You's actually (which, is another song that people think is on air, on sale, but wasn't, if anybody remembers, Reggie played it during the chart show a month or so before it was released, as a "future hit").

 

I'm Into You is exactly the sort of song you'd wrongly describe as OA/OS - an album track that had received some minor prior airplay - so it seems strange that you're saying it's not this time.

 

OA/OS means the single is released at around the same time it's 'sent' to radio stations. Radio can play it before it's officially sent to them, that doesn't mean it's not OA/OS. So Bass Down Low and Price Tag ARE OA/OS even if they did have some airplay before their release. And Lucky Day is not OA/OS even if it's received practically no airplay. It's not the actual amount of airplay that determines what's OA/OS or not.

Edited September 19, 201113 yr by Bré

I'm Into You is exactly the sort of song you'd wrongly describe as OA/OS - an album track that had received some minor prior airplay - so it seems strange that you're saying it's not this time.

 

OA/OS means the single is released at around the same time it's 'sent' to radio stations. Radio can play it before it's officially sent to them, that doesn't mean it's not OA/OS. So Bass Down Low and Price Tag ARE OA/OS even if they did have some airplay before their release. And Lucky Day is not OA/OS even if it's received practically no airplay. It's not the actual amount of airplay that determines what's OA/OS or not.

 

Not many album tracks receive airplay before being released though. The only recent ones I can think of off the top of my head are I'm Into You, Best Thing I Never Had, Blah Blah Blah, 3 Words, The Flood, Aliens. It's not that common really.

 

A song such as Nobody's Perfect by Jessie J or Set Fire to the Rain by Adele IS on air, on sale, because it was up for download when it got sent to radio. And for the purposes of the chart, they're exactly the same anyway. If you support on air, on sale, those are two brilliant examples of successes from it.

A song such as Nobody's Perfect by Jessie J or Set Fire to the Rain by Adele IS on air, on sale, because it was up for download when it got sent to radio. And for the purposes of the chart, they're exactly the same anyway. If you support on air, on sale, those are two brilliant examples of successes from it.

 

OA/OS means it being put up for download is at the same time as it being sent to radio. Set Fire To The Rain was up for download a long time before being sent to radio so it's not OA/OS. They are very similar but the difference is the public typically has a lot more time to listen to and grow to like album tracks before they start being played on the radio which makes them more likely to buy it when they do start hearing it - but this factor is partially if not dully cancelled out by the fact loads of people will already own it through buying the album or through cherrypicking.

I hope All Fired Up can climb back into the top ten before the end of the week. I think the novelty of Jealousy being 59p will wear off and hopefully The A-Team and Cannonball will start dropping again, too.

And there's another OA/OS release by a British artist that's currently doing fairly well too - 'Go' by Delilah. :P

 

Both of the fake Loca Peoples have been deleted :( Shame, I was looking forward to seeing The CDM Chartbreakers in the top 40. I'm sure another one will show up before long anyway.

 

39. Sssnakepit - Enter Shikari

It never ceases to amaze me how Enter Shikari get iTunes top 40 hits out of absolutely nowhere which disappear after a few days. I wonder if this song is basically a carbon copy of 'Zzzonked'?

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OA/OS means it being put up for download is at the same time as it being sent to radio. Set Fire To The Rain was up for download a long time before being sent to radio so it's not OA/OS. They are very similar but the difference is the public typically has a lot more time to listen to and grow to like album tracks before they start being played on the radio which makes them more likely to buy it when they do start hearing it - but this factor is partially if not dully cancelled out by the fact loads of people will already own it through buying the album or through cherrypicking.

 

Well yeah. And another major difference is post-album singles can't get those first-week fanbase sales. For example, if You and I wasn't on the album before, then it would've surely shot straight into the top 10 when released (although it did do that in the US anyway). But that only really effects the most popular artists, and as you said, they're quite similar in chart behaviour, the basic principle being that they're not held back for weeks to give them very high first-week sales, so have to climb the charts as they get promoted.

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MASSIVE HIT. (No doubt it'll already be out of the top 40 by the top 100 update tomorrow though and probably out of the top 100 in 2-3 days max :lol:)

One Direction are already gaining on Dappy :o

If One Direction are back at number one on Wednesday, I think they might officially hang on to number one especially as they still have physicals.

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