October 14, 201113 yr Great video, really like the song, but I hope Prof gets the #1. I've heard 2 different songs off his album - DPMO, and at your Inconvenience. Both great, both #1 potential. Don't know why his label are releasing the album 1 week after it's first single.
October 14, 201113 yr I only heard this for the first time yesterday. Why on Earth is this crap in the running for no.1?
October 14, 201113 yr I really, really hope this beats 'Read All About It' to #1, this is actually an INTERESTING song (and also a very good song :P) while 'Read All About It' is just a poor attempt to copy the Alex Da Kid 'rapped verses, big female chorus' formula right down to the identical as ever instrumental (Airplanes/Love The Way You Lie/I Need A Doctor) which although decent enough is not something we particularly need to be at #1 especially if it'll be denying 'Earthquake'. (Is RAAI produced by Alex Da Kid actually? Surely it must be, it's too similar to his production style to not be). Since the video premiere iTunes (pre-orders and fake versions) is starting to point towards Earthquake being the #1 but since Professor Green was ahead for such a long time it could be an interesting battle. Edited October 14, 201113 yr by Bré
October 14, 201113 yr I really, really hope this beats 'Read All About It' to #1, this is actually an INTERESTING song (and also a very good song :P) while 'Read All About It' is just a poor attempt to copy the Alex Da Kid 'rapped verses, big female chorus' formula right down to the identical as ever instrumental (Airplanes/Love The Way You Lie/I Need A Doctor) which although decent enough is not something we particularly need to be at #1 especially if it'll be denying 'Earthquake'. (Is RAAI produced by Alex Da Kid actually? Surely it must be, it's too similar to his production style to not be). Since the video premiere iTunes (pre-orders and fake versions) is starting to point towards Earthquake being the #1 but since Professor Green was ahead for such a long time it could be an interesting battle. I disagree. Rap + beat heavily featuring drums and a female chorus = not copying Alex Da Kid. I hope it gets to #1. The lyrics are deep, prof is a very good rapper and it's exactly what we need in the charts. Real UK rap. Not Tinie, Tinchy or Chipmunk. Hopefully we see more REAL rap from Wretch and Prof. Green like this. I liked 'Don't Go', but I think it was targetted towards the females and ofcourse Professor Greens previous singles.
October 14, 201113 yr I disagree. Rap + beat heavily featuring drums and a female chorus = not copying Alex Da Kid. I hope it gets to #1. The lyrics are deep, prof is a very good rapper and it's exactly what we need in the charts. Real UK rap. Not Tinie, Tinchy or Chipmunk. Hopefully we see more REAL rap from Wretch and Prof. Green like this. I liked 'Don't Go', but I think it was targetted towards the females and ofcourse Professor Greens previous singles. What makes Professor Green any more 'real' in the UK rap stakes than Tinie Tempah? Because he hasn't had as many hits as Tinie? I can understand why Wretch 32 would be considered that but if anything I'd say Green is one of the least 'real' UK rappers. And it's not just the fact that it has rap, a female chorus and a drum beat, it's that the whole song is structured almost identically to Alex Da Kid's songs. You can play around with the formula and still include all 3 of those things without sounding like ADK but Read All About It doesn't and does.
October 14, 201113 yr What makes Professor Green any more 'real' in the UK rap stakes than Tinie Tempah? Because he hasn't had as many hits as Tinie? I can understand why Wretch 32 would be considered that but if anything I'd say Green is one of the least 'real' UK rappers. And it's not just the fact that it has rap, a female chorus and a drum beat, it's that the whole song is structured almost identically to Alex Da Kid's songs. You can play around with the formula and still include all 3 of those things without sounding like ADK but Read All About It doesn't and does. Regarding real rap, Prof has been around way before the Lily Allen collab. Here are 2 of his tracks. I understand he had to make more commercial music to break through, but I'm glad he's pushing out rap now he has a large fanbase. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16eYWZ2VUBE Now listen to the track which broke Tinie Tempah through (he was also around way before pass out) Don't get me wrong. I like Tinie Tempah, I'm a genuine fan. Would I wouldn't classify his music as rap? Not really. And how would you re-structure a drum beat, rap, and strong female chorus. Intro - Verse - Chrous - Verse - Chorus is how it goes. And the beat heavily features drums. A hi-hat, bass, kick, and snare. The beat is not the same as Alex Da Kid's production. I can see why you'd want to compare him to tracks which feature Eminem, both white rappers, but completely different styles. But if it sounds similar to you that's all good. It's just how all Pitbull, J-Lo, Saturdays, Lady Gaga and Example tracks all sound the same to me - all typical dance music.
October 14, 201113 yr I think you're using the wrong word here - 'rap' is a style of vocals, not a genre. Both Professor Green and Tinie Tempah are rappers, so their music can be described as 'rap', as can the music of every other rapper from the super-commercial (e.g. Dizzee Rascal) right down to the really uncommercial (e.g. Giggs). I'm not someone who thinks all songs of a certain genre 'sound the same' (with the possible exception of country music which all sounds equally dreadful) but the similarity between Read All About It and ADK productions, specifically Love The Way You Lie, are extremely obvious. It's not just because Green is a white rapper. Green's previous material sounded original (and it was also a lot better for this reason - same with artists like Marina & The Diamonds, to completely change the genre, her music was brilliant in her first era but 'Radioactive' is a straight copy of a 'current' sound and it just doesn't work). 'Read All About It' and 'Love The Way You Lie' are only distinguishable to me because the involved artists have extremely different voices. I do like Professor Green but RAAI is incredibly poor by his standards and I'm hoping the next single is more in line with INYT/JBGTG or Monster or Jungle, or something completely new, instead of copying other artists. Edited October 14, 201113 yr by Bré
October 14, 201113 yr Regarding real rap, Prof has been around way before the Lily Allen collab. Here are 2 of his tracks. I understand he had to make more commercial music to break through, but I'm glad he's pushing out rap now he has a large fanbase. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16eYWZ2VUBE Now listen to the track which broke Tinie Tempah through (he was also around way before pass out) Don't get me wrong. I like Tinie Tempah, I'm a genuine fan. Would I wouldn't classify his music as rap? Not really. And how would you re-structure a drum beat, rap, and strong female chorus. Intro - Verse - Chrous - Verse - Chorus is how it goes. And the beat heavily features drums. A hi-hat, bass, kick, and snare. The beat is not the same as Alex Da Kid's production. I can see why you'd want to compare him to tracks which feature Eminem, both white rappers, but completely different styles. But if it sounds similar to you that's all good. It's just how all Pitbull, J-Lo, Saturdays, Lady Gaga and Example tracks all sound the same to me - all typical dance music. Oh my goodness! :o Whoever you are, I really like you! :lol: J-Lo, Pitbull, Lady Gaga, etc. all sound the same to me too! :( But you're not allowed to mention the names of the drums on here, because nobody on here likes drums, and you'll be accused of being technical and not knowing what you're talking about. :rolleyes: Songs need to be melodies and nothing else... I'm also quite fed up of Professor Green being compared to Eminem aswell. HOWEVER, I can definitely see the comparisons to Alex da Kid's Airplanes and LTWYL, to be fair. Especially if you look at it from the perspective of someone who listens to chart music in general. Not saying he copied those songs obviously. The beat and his raps and Emeli's hook go together fantastically imo. Edited October 14, 201113 yr by Eric_Blob
October 14, 201113 yr I'm also quite fed up of Professor Green being compared to Eminem aswell. When has he ever previously been compared to Eminem? Apart from the fact that they're both white and they're both rappers they have nothing in common at all, apart from Green's new song sounding identical to Love The Way You Lie. I realise I used the phrase 'apart from' twice in that sentence. Edited October 14, 201113 yr by Bré
October 14, 201113 yr I think you're using the wrong word here - 'rap' is a style of vocals, not a genre. Both Professor Green and Tinie Tempah are rappers, so their music can be described as 'rap', as can the music of every other rapper from the super-commercial (e.g. Dizzee Rascal) right down to the really uncommercial (e.g. Giggs). I'm not someone who thinks all songs of a certain genre 'sound the same' (with the possible exception of country music which all sounds equally dreadful) but the similarity between Read All About It and ADK productions, specifically Love The Way You Lie, are extremely obvious. It's not just because Green is a white rapper. Green's previous material sounded original (and it was also a lot better for this reason - same with artists like Marina & The Diamonds, to completely change the genre, her music was brilliant in her first era but 'Radioactive' is a straight copy of a 'current' sound and it just doesn't work). 'Read All About It' and 'Love The Way You Lie' are only distinguishable to me because the involved artists have extremely different voices. I do like Professor Green but RAAI is incredibly poor by his standards and I'm hoping the next single is more in line with INYT/JBGTG or Monster or Jungle, or something completely new, instead of copying other artists. I personally would consider Rap to be a genre of music. Rapping would be the style of vocals. Tinie, Tinchy, Dizzee etc would consider themselves rappers, but in my opinion, they aren't making as much 'real' rap or grime as they should be. Yes, I know real rap cannot be measured or assessed so it's just my opinion. I would say Wretch/Prof (with latest songs) are closer to Giggs than Tinie. Shame what happened to Giggs. Had a lot of hype and the police restricted him from becoming even more popular. Yeah, Jungle is a great track, and having listented to snippets to his new album they're original. RAAI is just rapping, and a female chorus with a drum beat. Yes, ADK made these kind of productions too but you're going too far if you say he 'created' that sound. Oh my goodness! :o Whoever you are, I really like you! :lol: J-Lo, Pitbull, Lady Gaga, etc. all sound the same to me too! :( But you're not allowed to mention the names of the drums on here, because nobody on here likes drums, and you'll be accused of being technical and not knowing what you're talking about. :rolleyes: Songs need to be melodies and nothing else... I'm also quite fed up of Professor Green being compared to Eminem aswell. HOWEVER, I can definitely see the comparisons to Alex da Kid's Airplanes and LTWYL, to be fair. Especially if you look at it from the perspective of someone who listens to chart music in general. Not saying he copied those songs obviously. The beat and his raps and Emeli's hook go together fantastically imo. Yeah I've noticed a lot of people here listen to Capital and the same 4 tunes on repeat (anything by Pitbull, LMFAO, J-Lo and The Wanted) and have a hissy fit when somebody doesn't like Lady Gaga or Cher Lloyd. I'm not fussed though, I just come here to see what my favourite artists sold :) When has he ever previously been compared to Eminem? Apart from the fact that they're both white and they're both rappers they have nothing in common at all, apart from Green's new song sounding identical to Love The Way You Lie. I realise I used the phrase 'apart from' twice in that sentence. When he first signed to Virgin and released his first two singles he was ALWAYS compared to Eminem. In the papers, interviews, it got to a point where a standard question in interviews was "so what do you think about people comparing you to Eminem". They indeed have nothing in common except for skin colour and their music genres and this is why they were compared. I guess if another Asian RNB singer came through he'd be compared to Jay Sean too. I guess it's just the media being lazy.
October 14, 201113 yr As I say I'd definitely describe Wretch as a bit more 'grime' and a bit more 'underground' or whatever than the other successful UK rappers but I'd personally lump Green in with the likes of Tinchy and Chipmunk near the bottom of the pile (although above Dizzee Rascal) if I were to rank these people on how 'real' their music is. I suppose it's a matter of opinion really. And I'm more concerned by how the actual music sounds anyway, as I generally don't give a stuff how popular or commercial something is as long as I think it's a good song (I don't have an issue with artists 'selling out' as long as the product still sounds good, again changing the genre completely I'm equally appreciative of Biffy Clyro's last 2 albums as I am of their earlier stuff) and personally I'm not a big fan of 'Read All About It'. It is a bit stupid if people are comparing Green to Eminem based on nothing but his skin colour. At least my comparison is actually to do with the music. Edited October 14, 201113 yr by Bré
October 14, 201113 yr As I say I'd definitely describe Wretch as a bit more 'grime' and a bit more 'underground' or whatever than the other successful UK rappers but I'd personally lump Green in with the likes of Tinchy and Chipmunk near the bottom of the pile (although above Dizzee Rascal) if I were to rank these people on how 'real' their music is. I suppose it's a matter of opinion really. And I'm more concerned by how the actual music sounds anyway, as I generally don't give a stuff how popular or commercial something is as long as I think it's a good song (I don't have an issue with artists 'selling out' as long as the product still sounds good, again changing the genre completely I'm equally appreciative of Biffy Clyro's last 2 albums as I am of their earlier stuff) and personally I'm not a big fan of 'Read All About It'. It is a bit stupid if people are comparing Green to Eminem based on nothing but his skin colour. At least my comparison is actually to do with the music. If we're going off JBGTG and INYT then yes, closer to Tinie or Chipmunk. But listening to bits off his new album and RAAI I would say he's with Wretch. But as you say, all a matter of opinion. I don't mind how popular an artist gets, but to completely sell out the Genre which propelled you to being known by masses of people is a huge let down in my book. I grew up listening to Grime and Dizzee Rascal, Tinchy Stryder and Wiley and these three have sold out. Grime doesn't pay (see what I did there? ;p) so I see why they did it, but to not put out music for the fans that started your career is sad. Props to chipmunk for releasing spazzz.com though, which is very good. We've gone off on a tangent so I'll just say let's agree to disagree.
October 14, 201113 yr I personally would consider Rap to be a genre of music. Rapping would be the style of vocals. Tinie, Tinchy, Dizzee etc would consider themselves rappers, but in my opinion, they aren't making as much 'real' rap or grime as they should be. Yes, I know real rap cannot be measured or assessed so it's just my opinion. I would say Wretch/Prof (with latest songs) are closer to Giggs than Tinie. Shame what happened to Giggs. Had a lot of hype and the police restricted him from becoming even more popular. Yeah I've noticed a lot of people here listen to Capital and the same 4 tunes on repeat (anything by Pitbull, LMFAO, J-Lo and The Wanted) and have a hissy fit when somebody doesn't like Lady Gaga or Cher Lloyd. I'm not fussed though, I just come here to see what my favourite artists sold :) What happened to Giggs!? :o I heard a song once where he was saying he doesn't like the police, but apart from that... :lol: And to be fair, I listen to Capital. :kink: And they have played most of Professor Green's singles (apart from Jungle, which I never heard on there), including his new one. And it's more like the same 100 tunes on repeat, rather than the same 4. But yeah, you're not going to hear much outside of the charts on there, apart from the request shows and the specialist shows. Quite a lot of people here don't like Chery Lloyd , but yes, if you say you don't like a Lady Gaga song, you'll get SLAUGHTERED, since you're outnumbered like 100:1, and they come up with rationalizations for why you don't like her, as if you secretly do, but you're trying to be "shocking", or you're trolling, or whatever. I can't believe it's so difficult for people to accept other people's opinions, but that's the way it is. They genuinely think everybody loves her songs, and that everybody is obsessed with her. In real life, I know hardly anybody that even talks about Lady Gaga, let alone are actually fans of hers.
October 14, 201113 yr I'm hoping "Read All About It" will be number 1... it isn't a good song too but it's better (and indeed sounds like Eminem and Rihanna)...
October 14, 201113 yr Eric, I think you get 'slaughtered' more because you seem to think she has no appeal outside her core fanbase for some reason when she clearly does. There are plenty of people who have said that they dislike Gaga or some of her songs and they don't get criticised for it. And also because some of the things you say about Gaga's songs are a bit ridiculous and OTT, but that's just you really. Edited October 14, 201113 yr by Bré
October 14, 201113 yr What happened to Giggs!? :o I heard a song once where he was saying he doesn't like the police, but apart from that... :lol: And to be fair, I listen to Capital. :kink: And they have played most of Professor Green's singles (apart from Jungle, which I never heard on there), including his new one. And it's more like the same 100 tunes on repeat, rather than the same 4. But yeah, you're not going to hear much outside of the charts on there, apart from the request shows and the specialist shows. Quite a lot of people here don't like Chery Lloyd , but yes, if you say you don't like a Lady Gaga song, you'll get SLAUGHTERED, since you're outnumbered like 100:1, and they come up with rationalizations for why you don't like her, as if you secretly do, but you're trying to be "shocking", or you're trolling, or whatever. I can't believe it's so difficult for people to accept other people's opinions, but that's the way it is. They genuinely think everybody loves her songs, and that everybody is obsessed with her. In real life, I know hardly anybody that even talks about Lady Gaga, let alone are actually fans of hers. Lady Gaga's music is shit. Her personality is blatantly a farce and she's trying too hard to be a mix of Grace Kelly and Madonna. I have heard her sing with just a mic and piano, and she can sing well, but she chooses to make shitty poppy red-one induced diarrhea. Yeah, R1 is very diverse. Greg James played Lowkey who is, in my opinion, the best rapper in the WORLD right now, polical activist (twitter = lowkeymusic1), then on the same show played a lot of different genres. Regarding Giggs - he used to be a gang member/leader. He went to jail for a few years on gun charges. Came out, started making music. Got signed to XL. The DAY giggs was meant to go in to sign his papers, Trident (Londons gang police or whatever) called the label and said it was a bad idea and not to do it. Props to XL, they went ahead. Giggs announced a tour, Trident blocked it and didn't allow him to do his gigs. If he gets booked anywhere in the country and it's heavily promoted, it's shut down by police who say it's getting out of hand. I do not condone crime, but if someone tries to leave that life and go into music and the govt don't allow it, isn't that counter-intuitive? Just because his content was talking about that life and his struggles. I'm glad he didn't call in Calvin Harris to make a tune because of this. He did make 'look what the cat dragged in' which was still rap, his own style, and commercial appeal, but alas, no radio play hence no chart success.
October 14, 201113 yr Eric, I think you get 'slaughtered' more because you seem to think she has no appeal outside her core fanbase for some reason when she clearly does. There are plenty of people who have said that they dislike Gaga or some of her songs and they don't get criticised for it. And also because some of the things you say about Gaga's songs are a bit ridiculous and OTT, but that's just you really. You mean that time that I said Poker Face doesn't have a chorus? :lol: Lady Gaga's music is shit. Her personality is blatantly a farce and she's trying too hard to be a mix of Grace Kelly and Madonna. I have heard her sing with just a mic and piano, and she can sing well, but she chooses to make shitty poppy red-one induced diarrhea. Yeah, R1 is very diverse. Greg James played Lowkey who is, in my opinion, the best rapper in the WORLD right now, polical activist (twitter = lowkeymusic1), then on the same show played a lot of different genres. Regarding Giggs - he used to be a gang member/leader. He went to jail for a few years on gun charges. Came out, started making music. Got signed to XL. The DAY giggs was meant to go in to sign his papers, Trident (Londons gang police or whatever) called the label and said it was a bad idea and not to do it. Props to XL, they went ahead. Giggs announced a tour, Trident blocked it and didn't allow him to do his gigs. If he gets booked anywhere in the country and it's heavily promoted, it's shut down by police who say it's getting out of hand. I do not condone crime, but if someone tries to leave that life and go into music and the govt don't allow it, isn't that counter-intuitive? Just because his content was talking about that life and his struggles. I'm glad he didn't call in Calvin Harris to make a tune because of this. He did make 'look what the cat dragged in' which was still rap, his own style, and commercial appeal, but alas, no radio play hence no chart success. Capital FM is basically as diverse as the charts are, so, um, not very diverse at this present moment in time. :lol: Although it has got MUCH better since earlier this year, in all fairness. On his verse on Game Over (I LOVE this song, but it has no melody, so people on here think I don't actually like it and I'm just trying to be "shocking" or "different" :rolleyes:) Giggs said he needed lawyers to get his record deal, so maybe he was referring to what you said above. It's a real shame that sort of thing happens. However, it's probably helped his popularity in a different way, I guess. Edited October 14, 201113 yr by Eric_Blob
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