November 1, 201113 yr Could 2011 see a record number of 500k+ sellers in a single calendar year? I think that there have been 20 in a couple of years in the late 1990s, when CD singles were at their peak (remember those? :cry: ), but this year has the potential for there to be perhaps even more than that? In both 98 & 99 there were 20 (that's the record for the 90s anyway- beyond that it's hard to say for sure)
November 1, 201113 yr MTV Rocks just counted down the top 20 selling 'rock' singles of the year so far, although I only caught the top 9. No sales were given. MTV genre definitions are quite loose and proves here. 09 Snow Patrol 'Caught Out In The Dark' 08 Coldplay 'Fix You' 07 Snow Patrol 'Chasing Cars' 06 Foster The People 'Pumped Up Kicks' 05 Ed Sheeran 'You Need Me, I Don't Need You' 04 Goo Goo Dolls 'Iris' 03 Coldplay 'Every Teardrop Is A Waterfall' 02 Noah And The Whale 'Life Goes On' 01 Ed Sheeran 'The A Team' It's repeated tomorrow at 16:00 if anyone wants to catch the rest of it. As is the sorry state of the genre at the moment it'll probably half filled with other old songs; Mr Brightside, Bring Me To Life, Teenage Dirtbag, One Day Like This.... 20 Foo Fighters 'Rope' [22] 19 Mumford And Sons 'The Cave' [48] 18 Journey 'Don't Stop Believing' [74] 17 Coldplay 'Viva La Vida' [51] 16 Neon Trees 'Animal' [40] 15 Mumford And Sons 'Little Lion Man' [53] 14 Biffy Clyro 'Many Of Horror' [37] 13 Evanescence 'Bring Me To Life' [47] 12 Elbow 'One Day Like This' [64] 11 Kings Of Leon 'Sex On Fire' [68] 10 Arctic Monkeys 'Don't Sit Down Cause I Moved Your Chair' [28] 09 Snow Patrol 'Caught Out In The Dark' [11] 08 Coldplay 'Fix You' [42] 07 Snow Patrol 'Chasing Cars' [51] 06 Foster The People 'Pumped Up Kicks' [18] 05 Ed Sheeran 'You Need Me, I Don't Need You' [04] 04 Goo Goo Dolls 'Iris' [03] 03 Coldplay 'Every Teardrop Is A Waterfall' [06] 02 Noah And The Whale 'Life Goes On' [14] 01 Ed Sheeran 'The A Team' [03] I've put 2011 peaks in brackets.
November 1, 201113 yr Author Difficult music asks you to be entertertained and marvel at unusual chord structures, original percussion, harsh sounds, atmosphere, tention, otherworldliness etc rather than emoting or melody. In other words, the kind of music I don't enjoy... :P sales for The Wanted - Glad You Came please....... cant be too far off DJ Fresh now surely?!?!?!! They seem to be getting further from the T20, rather than closer - 22nd, 9k short. Christina Perri overtook them recently. Edited November 1, 201113 yr by vidcapper
November 1, 201113 yr The Calling not even in the top 20? Hmph. It'll probably soon kick "Rope" out and that chart will take an alarming turn for the worst.
November 1, 201113 yr It'll probably soon kick "Rope" out and that chart will take an alarming turn for the worst. If you take out the incredibly tenuous Ed Sheeran entries Rope is safe and I'm sure The Calling must be there. (I think if we think of it as 'indie/rock' rather than just 'rock' the rest of the songs on that list bar maybe Little Lion Man and The Cave (which are more folk than indie) are acceptable).
November 1, 201113 yr 20 Foo Fighters 'Rope' [22] 19 Mumford And Sons 'The Cave' [48] 18 Journey 'Don't Stop Believing' [74] 17 Coldplay 'Viva La Vida' [51] 16 Neon Trees 'Animal' [40] 15 Mumford And Sons 'Little Lion Man' [53] 14 Biffy Clyro 'Many Of Horror' [37] 13 Evanescence 'Bring Me To Life' [47] 12 Elbow 'One Day Like This' [64] 11 Kings Of Leon 'Sex On Fire' [68] 10 Arctic Monkeys 'Don't Sit Down Cause I Moved Your Chair' [28] 09 Snow Patrol 'Caught Out In The Dark' [11] 08 Coldplay 'Fix You' [42] 07 Snow Patrol 'Chasing Cars' [51] 06 Foster The People 'Pumped Up Kicks' [18] 05 Ed Sheeran 'You Need Me, I Don't Need You' [04] 04 Goo Goo Dolls 'Iris' [03] 03 Coldplay 'Every Teardrop Is A Waterfall' [06] 02 Noah And The Whale 'Life Goes On' [14] 01 Ed Sheeran 'The A Team' [03] I've put 2011 peaks in brackets. You know rock has officially died when only 9 of the top 20 rock songs of the year were released in 2011 Edited November 1, 201113 yr by danielXF
November 1, 201113 yr You know rock has officially died when Ed Sheeran is classified as rock. This as well - plus a lot of the "rock" songs high up are more indie (Life Goes On, ETIAW, PUK)
November 1, 201113 yr Ed Sheeran got to #1 on the RnB chart and the 1Xtra charts aswell. :blink: It seems like every genre is trying to claim him. :lol: I don't think he should be in any of those charts personally. It's shocking how few new "rock" songs do well in the singles chart. Only a few years ago it was quite different. I doubt rock as a genre has got any less popular though, even though the singles chart suggests so. Like they do better in the album charts, for example.
November 1, 201113 yr Could I have the total for Nicki Minaj & Rihanna's Fly please? :) Edited November 1, 201113 yr by liamk97
November 1, 201113 yr Could I have the sales of Lady GaGa Judas & Edge of Glory? Sorry, if they've already been said
November 1, 201113 yr Ed Sheeran got to #1 on the RnB chart and the 1Xtra charts aswell. :blink: It seems like every genre is trying to claim him. :lol: I don't think he should be in any of those charts personally. It's shocking how few new "rock" songs do well in the singles chart. Only a few years ago it was quite different. I doubt rock as a genre has got any less popular though, even though the singles chart suggests so. Like they do better in the album charts, for example. There is an argument to say that it has gotten less popular - few rock albums really set the charts on fire any more and gig receipts, where bands tend to make most of their money, are only really increasing with the expanding market. These two points are arguably more valid in saying that rock is in decline than the genre's lack of presence in the singles chart, BUT it still brought it home when I saw in last week's chart thread that five years ago the top 2 consisted of MCR and Razorlight. Bands today can't sell in the same quantities as those did, let alone increase along with the rest of the singles market up to 2011 levels. I honestly don't know what's happened - it seems to me like these days the primary force motivating people to buy songs is "I heard it on a night out and really liked it", but the same clubbing culture still existed five years ago. Back then were there loads of 'mainstream' clubs playing "Welcome to the Black Parade"?
November 1, 201113 yr There is an argument to say that it has gotten less popular - few rock albums really set the charts on fire any more and gig receipts, where bands tend to make most of their money, are only really increasing with the expanding market. These two points are arguably more valid in saying that rock is in decline than the genre's lack of presence in the singles chart, BUT it still brought it home when I saw in last week's chart thread that five years ago the top 2 consisted of MCR and Razorlight. Bands today can't sell in the same quantities as those did, let alone increase along with the rest of the singles market up to 2011 levels. I honestly don't know what's happened - it seems to me like these days the primary force motivating people to buy songs is "I heard it on a night out and really liked it", but the same clubbing culture still existed five years ago. Back then were there loads of 'mainstream' clubs playing "Welcome to the Black Parade"? Yeah. It's just such a sudden change, in such a short period of time. Like you mentioned Welcome to the Black Parade and America. It seems like just yesterday they were out. I honestly can't understand fully why. It's not like nothing has come and "replaced" rock music. And it's not like everybody who likes rock music has died.
November 1, 201113 yr Yeah. It's just such a sudden change, in such a short period of time. Like you mentioned Welcome to the Black Parade and America. It seems like just yesterday they were out. I honestly can't understand fully why. It's not like nothing has come and "replaced" rock music. And it's not like everybody who likes rock music has died. It is cyclical to an extent - see the relative dearth of rock in the singles chart in the last couple of years of the '90s (although even then The Offspring had a big #1) but this year has seen just so little of note. 1991 saw Nirvana. 2001 saw The Strokes (and Linkin Park). 2011 has had... The Vaccines. And Foster the People. Great. Speaking of things "replacing" rock music, the kind of dusbtep-electronica that Skrillex is currently pioneering is making big waves atm and certain bits of the rock community are really embracing it (while others will doubtless hate it and become completely alienated/borderline obsolete as a commercial force as a result). Whether the man himself makes a big commercial breakthrough or whether his music is simply the basis for the 'next big thing', I can see that really picking up speed in 2012. Dubstep in the UK has become very closely related to the hip-hop community and rock's best medium-term chance of some commercial success is taking the genre and making it its own. However, KoRn (who Skrillex has already collaborated with) are definitely not the ones to do that given they're basically old nu-metallers with an annoying kilt-wearing singer.
November 1, 201113 yr If you take out the incredibly tenuous Ed Sheeran entries Rope is safe and I'm sure The Calling must be there. (I think if we think of it as 'indie/rock' rather than just 'rock' the rest of the songs on that list bar maybe Little Lion Man and The Cave (which are more folk than indie) are acceptable). To be fair, I don't know when it's to. It may have been on last week too but I never even switched a music channel on last week, let alone noticed a specific show was on, it's not necessarily bang up to date and The Calling's main sales weeks have been the last two. Is it a consistent catalogue seller? Also regarding the genre of songs in the chart it's basically just anything that the channel MTV Rocks plays normally, which is anything rock, indie or alternative influenced. The MTV genre channels aren't exactly narrow. It's only like when Kerrang counted down the top 100 Rock singles of the century a few weeks ago which included many songs they didn't when they did the same countdown two years ago, it's purely because in that time they'd broadened their horizons so now play stuff like Kings of Leon where they didn't before.
November 1, 201113 yr Well, from a US perspective (since UK music tends to follow theirs, especially in the age of the Internet), firstly, Pumped Up Kicks has been MASSIVE there. So it's a little bit promising from that perspective. And also, Skrillex is very popular there seemingly, since he has lots of songs get top 100 on their iTunes. I've noticed Skrillex is very popular in the US aswell. His songs keep going top 100 on iTunes. For the mainstream people in the US, the first places they'll have heard the dubstep sort of sound are songs like Who Gon Stop Me by Jay-Z/Kanye West, Strange Clouds by B.o.B, Wait Your Turn by Rihanna, Good Feeling by Flo Rida (which is now #4 on their iTunes :o), Hold It Against Me by Britney Spears, etc. American people, who might not know the origins of the genre, might well end up associating it with RnB and hip hop music, if 80% of the songs they hear using it are RnB and hip hop. Back to the UK, the reason hip hop and dubstep are more closely associated is because they're both centered in the same place, London. To put it briefly, all the aspiring rappers in South London are surrounded by aspiring electronica producers, which is why dubstep is considered urban by the BBC, etc. Also regarding the genre of songs in the chart it's basically just anything that the channel MTV Rocks plays normally, which is anything rock, indie or alternative influenced. The MTV genre channels aren't exactly narrow. It's only like when Kerrang counted down the top 100 Rock singles of the century a few weeks ago which included many songs they didn't when they did the same countdown two years ago, it's purely because in that time they'd broadened their horizons so now play stuff like Kings of Leon where they didn't before. I even once heard Dog Days Are Over on Kerrang!! :o I had to double check I was on the right station. :lol: Edited November 1, 201113 yr by Eric_Blob
November 1, 201113 yr To be fair, I don't know when it's to. It may have been on last week too but I never even switched a music channel on last week, let alone noticed a specific show was on, it's not necessarily bang up to date and The Calling's main sales weeks have been the last two. Is it a consistent catalogue seller? Also regarding the genre of songs in the chart it's basically just anything that the channel MTV Rocks plays normally, which is anything rock, indie or alternative influenced. The MTV genre channels aren't exactly narrow. It's only like when Kerrang counted down the top 100 Rock singles of the century a few weeks ago which included many songs they didn't when they did the same countdown two years ago, it's purely because in that time they'd broadened their horizons so now play stuff like Kings of Leon where they didn't before. I'm not sure how The Calling were holding up when it was 99p and/or not on the Twinings ad but I'd have thought 7 weeks in the top 100 (6 of those top 60 and with a peak of #16) + whatever it sold in the rest of the year would be enough for it to be ahead of at least Rope (which had 9 weeks top 100, but only one of those top 60 and a peak of #22, plus it missed out on 2 months of sales at the start of the year as it wasn't released then). I think that show might be slightly out of date. Edited November 1, 201113 yr by Bré
November 1, 201113 yr It's sad that anyone is still speaking about the abomination that is Wherever You Will Go this many years later.
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