The consultation on proposals to allow gay couples to have a civil marriage opened today. No doubt many people will oppose the proposals after being encouraged to do so by various religious leaders (despite the fact that the proposals are only about civil marriage and, thus will not affect religious ceremonies) so it is important that people who support the proposals also respond. You can add your views - it doesn't take long and it is completely anonymous - here

This consultation closes tomorrow. If you support gay marriage and haven't responded yet, please take a few minutes to do so. If you don't support the idea, the consultation closed yesterday :P

I actually think it's pretty easy if the subject doesn't directly affect you just to ignore it and hope other people respond - in relation to the home office survey thingy. Although, just because I don't want to marry a girl doesn't mean I don't have a view on it. I think in the most basic sense marriage is a union between 2 people that love each other. Gender is irrelevant I feel, and sometimes I actually feel embarrassed that we hear so much about how we're so sophisticated and evolved in this age, but gay marriage is still not allowed - baffling. Such a well developed civilisation we are, apparently... So aye, in short I gave my views on it in support of gay marriage. I was actually made a bit more hopeful on the topic to find that the home office were actually trying to form a concencus on the matter.

The House of Commons voted overwhelmingly tonight to give the Bill a third reading which means it now goes to the Lords. A small majority of Tory MPs voted against but it went through because a large majority Labour and Lib Dem MPs voted in favour.

 

The roll of shame is as follows...

 

Tory MPs voting against

 

Nigel Adams (Selby & Ainsty), Adam Afriyie (Windsor), Peter Aldous (Waveney), David Amess (Southend West), Richard Bacon (Norfolk South), Guto Bebb (Aberconwy), Henry Bellingham (Norfolk North West), Sir Paul Beresford (Mole Valley), Andrew Bingham (High Peak), Nicola Blackwood (Oxford West & Abingdon), Peter Bone (Wellingborough), Graham Brady (Altrincham & Sale West), Julian Brazier (Canterbury), Andrew Bridgen (Leicestershire North West), Steve Brine (Winchester), Fiona Bruce (Congleton), Robert Buckland (Swindon South), Simon Burns (Chelmsford), David Burrowes (Enfield Southgate), Douglas Carswell (Clacton), Bill Cash (Stone), Rehman Chishti (Gillingham & Rainham), Christopher Chope (Christchurch), Therese Coffey (Suffolk Coastal), Geoffrey Cox (Devon West & Torridge), Stephen Crabb (Preseli Pembrokeshire), David Davies (Monmouth), Glyn Davies (Montgomeryshire), Philip Davies (Shipley), David Davis (Haltemprice & Howden), Nick de Bois (Enfield North), Nadine Dorries (Bedfordshire Mid), Jackie Doyle-Price (Thurrock), Richard Drax (Dorset South), Philip Dunne (Ludlow), Charlie Elphicke (Dover), Graham Evans (Weaver Vale), Jonathan Evans (Cardiff North), David Evennett (Bexleyheath & Crayford), Dr Liam Fox (Somerset North), Mark Francois (Rayleigh & Wickford), George Freeman (Norfolk Mid), Roger Gale (Thanet North), Sir Edward Garnier (Harborough), Mark Garnier (Wyre Forest), Cheryl Gillan (Chesham & Amersham), John Glen (Salisbury), Robert Goodwill (Scarborough & Whitby), James Gray (Wiltshire North), Andrew Griffiths (Burton), Robert Halfon (Harlow), Simon Hart (Carmarthen West & Pembrokeshire South), Sir Alan Haselhurst (Saffron Walden), John Hayes (South Holland & The Deepings), Oliver Heald (Hertfordshire North East), Gordon Henderson (Sittingbourne & Sheppey), Philip Hollobone (Kettering), Adam Holloway (Gravesham), Sir Gerald Howarth (Aldershot), Stewart Jackson (Peterborough), Gareth Johnson (Dartford), David Jones (Clwyd West), Marcus Jones (Nuneaton), Chris Kelly (Dudley South), Kwasi Kwarteng (Spelthorne), Jeremy Lefroy (Stafford), Edward Leigh (Gainsborough), Julian Lewis (New Forest East), Ian Liddell-Grainger (Bridgwater & Somerset West), David Lidington (Aylesbury), Peter Lilley (Hitchin & Harpenden), Jonathan Lord (Woking), Tim Loughton (Worthing East & Shoreham), Karen Lumley (Redditch), Karl McCartney (Lincoln), Anne McIntosh (Thursk and Malton), Stephen McPartland (Stevenage), Esther McVey (Wirral West), Anne Main (St Albans), Paul Maynard (Blackpool North & Cleveleys), Stephen Metcalfe (Basildon South & Thurrock East), Anne Milton (Guildford), Nicky Morgan (Loughborough), Anne-Marie Morris (Newton Abbot), David Morris (Morecambe & Lunesdale), James Morris (Halesowen & Rowley Regis), Bob Neill (Bromley & Chislehurst), David Nuttall (Bury North), Stephen O’Brien (Eddisbury), Matthew Offord (Hendon), Jim Paice (Cambridgeshire South East), Neil Parish (Tiverton & Honiton), Priti Patel (Witham), Owen Paterson (Shropshire North), Mark Pawsey (Rugby), Mike Penning (Hemel Hempstead), Mark Pritchard (Wrekin, The), John Redwood (Wokingham), Jacob Rees-Mogg (Somerset North East), Sir Malcolm Rifkind (Kensington), Andrew Robathan (Leicestershire South), Laurence Robertson (Tewkesbury), Andrew Rosindell (Romford), David Rutley (Macclesfield), Lee Scott (Ilford North), Andrew Selous (Bedfordshire South West), Alec Shelbrooke (Elmet & Rothwell), Sir Richard Shepherd (Aldridge-Brownhills), Henry Smith (Crawley), Sir John Stanley (Tonbridge & Malling), John Stevenson (Carlisle), Bob Stewart (Beckenham), Mel Stride (Devon Central), Julian Sturdy (York Outer), Robert Syms (Poole), David Tredinnick (Bosworth), Andrew Turner (Isle of Wight), Shailesh Vara (Cambridgeshire North West), Martin Vickers (Cleethorpes), Ben Wallace (Wyre & Preston North), Robert Walter (Dorset North), James Wharton (Stockton South), Heather Wheeler (Derbyshire South), Craig Whittaker (Calder Valley), John Whittingdale (Maldon), Bill Wiggin (Herefordshire North), Gavin Williamson (Staffordshire South), Jeremy Wright (Kenilworth & Southam)

 

John Randall and Mark Lancaster (both Tories) acted as tellers so can be added to the list

 

 

Labour MPs voting against

 

Joe Benton (Bootle), Tom Clarke (Coatbridge, Chryston & Bellshill), Rosie Cooper (Lancashire West), David Crausby (Bolton North East), Jim Dobbin (Heywood & Middleton), Brian Donohoe (Ayrshire Central), Robert Flello (Stoke-on-Trent South), Mary Glindon (Tyneside North), Roger Godsiff (Birmingham Hall Green), Paul Goggins (Wythenshawe & Sale East), Ann McKechin (Glasgow North), George Mudie (Leeds East), Paul Murphy (Torfaen), Stephen Pound (Ealing North), Stephen Timms (East Ham)

 

 

Lib Dem MPs voting against

 

Sir Alan Beith (Berwick-upon-Tweed), Gordon Birtwistle (Burnley), John Pugh (Southport), Sarah Teather (Brent Central)

 

 

DUP MPs voting against

 

Gregory Campbell (Londonderry East), Nigel Dodds (Belfast North), Jeffrey Donaldson (Lagan Valley), Rev William McCrea (Antrim South), Ian Paisley Junior (Antrim North), Jim Shannon (Strangford), David Simpson (Upper Bann), Sammy Wilson (Antrim East)

That is a hell of a lot of out of touch people. Not surprising three of the Labour No voters are from the West of Scotland tbh.

I'm finding the amount of Tory MPs who voted against it slightly amusing.

 

Not surprising that my local MP voted against it though, urgh. :puke:

Interesting that some of the Tories (David Davis, Richard Shepherd) who voted against have a generally good record on civil liberties but have some sort of mental block when it comes to rights for gay men and lesbians.

 

Whether any of them went as far as that old dinosaur Norman Tebbit, I don't know. He has been babbling on about fathers marrying their sons in order to avoid inheritance tax. He seems to have overlooked the fact that such marriages would be just as illegal as a father marrying his daughter.

Tebbit is a reprehensible human being of the highest order, so I'm not surprised.

 

Not that it's relevant, but I'd love to see how many of those Tory MPs are in the closet.

Wow, Ronnie Campbell voted against it last time. I wonder why he changed his vote? :huh:

Wow, Ronnie Campbell voted against it last time. I wonder why he changed his vote? :huh:

It may be that he didn't vote at all. I don't have a full list of MPs voting in favour yet.

Tebbit is a reprehensible human being of the highest order, so I'm not surprised.

 

Not that it's relevant, but I'd love to see how many of those Tory MPs are in the closet.

 

"I’ve been looking at the Coalition for Equal Marriage’s website, and their list of MPs who intend to vote against allowing gay people to marry on Tuesday. I note with interest the names of several MPs who most people in the Westminster Village know to be closet case gays. And I note also the names of two supposedly straight MPs who I know to be conducting gay affairs at the moment. I don’t believe in ‘outing’ anyone, but because of the rank hypocrisy there will be others who will take a different view."

 

( http://iaindale.com/posts/2013/02/02/the-q...-have-to-answer )

Edited May 21, 201312 yr by Danny

"I’ve been looking at the Coalition for Equal Marriage’s website, and their list of MPs who intend to vote against allowing gay people to marry on Tuesday. I note with interest the names of several MPs who most people in the Westminster Village know to be closet case gays. And I note also the names of two supposedly straight MPs who I know to be conducting gay affairs at the moment. I don’t believe in ‘outing’ anyone, but because of the rank hypocrisy there will be others who will take a different view."

 

( http://iaindale.com/posts/2013/02/02/the-q...-have-to-answer )

Iain Dale is no longer a paid up member of the Conservative party but he is still a Tory in all but name so it is interesting to see ho write this.

Labour MPs voting against

 

Joe Benton (Bootle), Tom Clarke (Coatbridge, Chryston & Bellshill), Rosie Cooper (Lancashire West), David Crausby (Bolton North East), Jim Dobbin (Heywood & Middleton), Brian Donohoe (Ayrshire Central), Robert Flello (Stoke-on-Trent South), Mary Glindon (Tyneside North), Roger Godsiff (Birmingham Hall Green), Paul Goggins (Wythenshawe & Sale East), Ann McKechin (Glasgow North), George Mudie (Leeds East), Paul Murphy (Torfaen), Stephen Pound (Ealing North), Stephen Timms (East Ham)

For the record, Ann McKechin voted in favour of gay marriage, not against.

For the record, Ann McKechin voted in favour of gay marriage, not against.

OK. I took the names from the Pink News website so they must have made a mistake.

Whether any of them went as far as that old dinosaur Norman Tebbit, I don't know. He has been babbling on about fathers marrying their sons in order to avoid inheritance tax. He seems to have overlooked the fact that such marriages would be just as illegal as a father marrying his daughter.

 

But they should not be ilegall... if two or more consenting adults love each other, why should the law forbid it. Why shouldn´t we demand "equal rights" for adult daugthers who are in love with their fathers or grandfathers?

 

But they should not be ilegall... if two or more consenting adults love each other, why should the law forbid it. Why shouldn´t we demand "equal rights" for adult daugthers who are in love with their fathers or grandfathers?

 

Of course such relationships should be illegal. :rolleyes: It's INCEST. It may go on in some third world countries or remote African villages but has no place in the civilised world.

I almost want to support it being legalised just because the OMGZZZ IT'S SO WRONG!!!1111 argument is so nonsensical.

 

However, there are good reasons why it shouldn't be legal - health complications and likelihood of manipulation being the main two.