Kath, IB is a long-term, non-means tested sickness benefit. I've been on it since 1988. At first you send Dr's sick notes in but these becomes less frequent. Then you get told not to send one in at all. They used to ask you to attend a DSS interview every two years. The Government are currently working through every IB claimant and migrating us all on to ESA and Atos are re-examining all the cases. If they say they're fit for work then their benefit is almost halved to £67 a week for just a year. Afterwards it's means-tested so I wouldn't get a penny as my wife works.

 

It has been open to abuse as the rate is higher than Jobseekers or the old income support. Over a million are said to be on IB with depression, thousands with bad backs and even some with bad acne. The Tories in the 80's were happy for GP's to put people on the sick though as it kept the unemployment rates down. On IB you're not counted in the unemployed figures.

Edited September 24, 201212 yr by Common Sense

So do IB claimant's have no optimism at all? You claim in 1990 and know that in 2012 you'll still be a useless, lazy lump?

 

Freaking hell! I wish I had that foresight - I'd be a lottery winner!

So do IB claimant's have no optimism at all? You claim in 1990 and know that in 2012 you'll still be a useless, lazy lump?

 

Freaking hell! I wish I had that foresight - I'd be a lottery winner!

 

How could someone know 20 odd years ago that they'd still be on IB in 2012? I certainly didn't!

Eh? She was a nurse doing the Atos interviews until guilt over what she'd been told to do made her depressed. How then is she workshy?

The article said she went off on stress.

 

I also fail to see how someone who is so depressed they can let a tabloid into their home is incapable of at least sitting at a bloody checkout.

Why do you hate disabled people?

Lol how exactly did you get hatred of disabled people out of me calling someone off with fucking stress workshy. Stress. How is that a reason to claim benefits????

 

 

 

 

I have no problem with the genuine claimants, I have a problem with the lazy workshy twats that take the system for a ride. If you can sit on bloody internet forums all day there is no reason you can't have a bloody admin job.

Kath, IB is a long-term, non-means tested sickness benefit. I've been on it since 1988. At first you send Dr's sick notes in but these becomes less frequent. Then you get told not to send one in at all. They used to ask you to attend a DSS interview every two years. The Government are currently working through every IB claimant and migrating us all on to ESA and Atos are re-examining all the cases. If they say they're fit for work then their benefit is almost halved to £67 a week for just a year. Afterwards it's means-tested so I wouldn't get a penny as my wife works.

 

It has been open to abuse as the rate is higher than Jobseekers or the old income support. Over a million are said to be on IB with depression, thousands with bad backs and even some with bad acne. The Tories in the 80's were happy for GP's to put people on the sick though as it kept the unemployment rates down. On IB you're not counted in the unemployed figures.

 

Severe acne can be very debilitating.

 

Severe acne can be very debilitating.

 

 

Yes and it can be very bad for self-confidence and facing people but people were saying that no way should someone be off sick with it.

Yes and it can be very bad for self-confidence and facing people but people were saying that no way should someone be off sick with it.

 

 

It depends. Some people with severe acne are suicidal as a result.

 

I think they should leave the people on IB alone. They are entitled to their benefits. Stop giving the immigrants benefits.

Suicidal from having fucking spots? JESUS I've heard it all now.

 

 

 

Everyone on IB should be thoroughly checked to make sure they are genuinely incapable of working. There are a lot of people signed off on long term sick for non-reasons like 'stress' who are perfectly capable of working.

 

 

Also, nobody is 'entitled' to bloody benefits. They are not a human right. There is no legislation that says we MUST give benefits (as far as I am aware). Benefits are given to help those who deserve and need it the most, they should not be treated as a replacement for an honest days work which is what they have become in this country. Oh and Immigrants can not claim benefits until they are british citizens and have paid into the system iirc. The daily mail chats so much shite on immigrants I'm surprised they haven't been done for inciting racial hatred yet.

 

Suicidal from having fucking spots? JESUS I've heard it all now.

Everyone on IB should be thoroughly checked to make sure they are genuinely incapable of working. There are a lot of people signed off on long term sick for non-reasons like 'stress' who are perfectly capable of working.

Also, nobody is 'entitled' to bloody benefits. They are not a human right. There is no legislation that says we MUST give benefits (as far as I am aware). Benefits are given to help those who deserve and need it the most, they should not be treated as a replacement for an honest days work which is what they have become in this country. Oh and Immigrants can not claim benefits until they are british citizens and have paid into the system iirc. The daily mail chats so much shite on immigrants I'm surprised they haven't been done for inciting racial hatred yet.

 

 

Educate yourself:

 

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This is what acne is like for some people. It has a very high suicide rate.

Stop giving the immigrants benefits.

 

Explain?

As far as I can remember there was a single case reported of a person being on benefits because of severe acne. I'm sure we would have heard if this was commonplace. I can accept that, in a small number of cases, it can cause a lack of confidence which prevents someone seeking work. As acne tends to be a temporary affliction then I don't see this as being a major issue. A small number of people claim benefit for a short time. So what?

 

Those of us who have never suffered from depression should accept that we don't entirely know what we're talking about. However, it is hard to believe that people are incapable of ever doing any paid work. The problem is that the system does not allow for people working a variable number of hours per week depending on the severity of their condition that week. I would like to see a system whereby people can do some work (quite likely from home on a computer) as and when they are capable and have some of their benefit (for example, half the amount they get paid that week) withdrawn.

My mum has suffered from depression her whole life and has never ever been on benefits. Man she even ran doctor's practice for the best part of 10 years.

 

It's a pretty destructive illness when it's at its worst but at the end of the day is IS controllable (mostly) and 99% of the time it doesn't really affect your ability to go to work. If anything, the distraction work provides is often quite helpful.

Lolz, I hear a gravy train coming to a shuddering halt, and a very worried Chris.

Explain?

 

What part of the incredibly simple and total self-explanatory statement did you not understand?

What part of the incredibly simple and total self-explanatory statement did you not understand?

 

ex·plain - verb

 

to assign a meaning to; interpret: How can you explain such a silly remark?

What part of the incredibly simple and total self-explanatory statement did you not understand?

 

You forgot 'narrow minded, ill-informed and most likely racist'.

. Stop giving the immigrants benefits.

 

 

I agree. At least my father and grandfather paid taxes all their lives and I was born here. Why should people who have never ever paid a penny in to the system just come here and get everything? It does happen. The Express highlighted a story the other week, front page, headline "We're all mugs" Couple with 9 young kids came here from Bulgaria and within a week were given a big council house, full rent paid and benefits too. Disgraceful. Can a British person just swan in to Bulgaria and get all that? Can they hell. Stop giving benefits to immigrants before messing with the claims of British citizens. That's not racist either. Just common sense. How many thousands could we save by putting them back on the next plane, "sorry, no money, nowhere to live, bye bye then." I'm not against them coming if they have private means, family to stay with and a job lined up.

Edited September 25, 201212 yr by Common Sense

Oh and Immigrants can not claim benefits until they are british citizens and have paid into the system iirc. The daily mail chats so much shite on immigrants I'm surprised they haven't been done for inciting racial hatred yet.

 

 

Yes they can. The Express story proved it and they'd checked everything they were getting. Neither was working and they got Housing Benefit, ESA, free dental care, prescriptions, everything.

Edited September 25, 201212 yr by Common Sense

I would like to see a system whereby people can do some work (quite likely from home on a computer) as and when they are capable and have some of their benefit (for example, half the amount they get paid that week) withdrawn.

 

Yes that sounds as if it could work Suedy. I admit that SOME days or weeks I may be able to do a bit of work but not hold down a regular 9-5 permanent job.

Yes they can. The Express story proved it and they'd checked everything they were getting. Neither was working and they got Housing Benefit, ESA, free dental care, prescriptions, everything.

I wouldn't trust that rag to get the date right.