I love the Miley Cyrus video. That is exactly how I am feeling. I will go watch it without the juvenile alt right sound effects.

 

I still can't bring myself to watch Hill's concession video. If is on CNN fully. I wish she never ran so as not to suffer the ignomy of losing to THAT.

So I don't claim to know much about American politics, but I was assured there was no way Trump would win, and certainly not by the margin that happened with the key states. So what happened? These polling companies are paid millions, yet they got it so wrong. I can only assume they were over-sampling Democrat voters as the polls were so wrong.

 

I hate to gloat, but I did think Trump was going to win the election - not that I am happy about it. But I would not have been too impressed with Hilary either, save for her being a much safer pair of hands and much more experienced and suited to the role.

 

Looking at this, and Brexit, it's clear there needs to be shake-up in politics. Both Nigel Farage and Donald Trump spoke to the people. They both made countless f***ups, fales promises, yet people continued to believe them. The Remain and Camp Clinton made sane and logical arguments, but never really touched the people like the Brexit & Trump. What's clear is there is a lot of hurt and anguish from people who don't like globalisation and are willing to take any sort of chance. It sucks as a young person because the long term effects will be felt by my generation the most.

 

I'm sad that climate change is going to take a huge beating, and also that we seem to be reverting away from globalisation and more to isolationism. In this respect we're turning the clock back 70 years and it sucks. The world needs to work closer together and not further apart.

 

This wasn't just a few shy voters though - it was a lot!! I do agree that it's a likely explanation however. Also, I think a lot of people just did not turn up to vote, especially Democrat supporters. That said, I don't think Bernie would have beaten Trump either.

democratic turnout wasn't an issue i don't think. philly voters came out in droves for Clinton and actually exceeded obama's margins for example. there were just a lot of wwc voters who rarely vote and who were somehow unaccounted for.

 

also re: "the people", i think you mean "white people". literally no poc wanted this, and that's true no matter how you break down the demographics, including age group. white millennials favored trump by 6 points. the true fault line here has been a racial one.

Edited November 9, 20168 yr by dhwe

Also important to remember that the people *didn't* want this. Hillary won the popular vote.

democratic turnout wasn't an issue i don't think. philly voters came out in droves for Clinton and actually exceeded obama's margins for example. there were just a lot of wwc voters who rarely vote and who were somehow unaccounted for.

 

also re: "the people", i think you mean "white people". literally no poc wanted this, and that's true no matter how you break down the demographics, including age group. white millennials favored trump by 6 points. the true fault line here has been a racial one.

 

You can't break it down in to "white people" though. Sure, a large majority of Trump's support was from white people, but lots of white people will have voted for Clinton as well. Fact is from the information I've seen, her camp was really hoping a lot of Hispanic voters would turn up to vote for her. But it doesn't appear as if that was the case. A lot of them either didn't vote, or voted for Trump. While race undoubtedly plays a part, much larger social issues are here at play. Fact is, Hilary was not a great candidate to a lot of people's eyes (I am not saying Trump is either).

You can't break it down in to "white people" though. Sure, a large majority of Trump's support was from white people, but lots of white people will have voted for Clinton as well. Fact is from the information I've seen, her camp was really hoping a lot of Hispanic voters would turn up to vote for her. But it doesn't appear as if that was the case. A lot of them either didn't vote, or voted for Trump. While race undoubtedly plays a part, much larger social issues are here at play. Fact is, Hilary was not a great candidate to a lot of people's eyes (I am not saying Trump is either).

It's about composition though. Trump's support was almost exclusively white. Hillary's wasn't - plenty of white people voted for her, but it was a minority of white people overall.

FTR, here are the total votes secured by the Democratic party in each election of the 21st Century so far..

 

2016: 59,680,035 (47.7%)

2012: 65,915,795 (51.1%)

2008: 69,498,516 (52.9%)

2004: 59,028,444 (48.3%)

2000: 50,999,897 (48.4%)

 

Hillary only marginally ahead of the total John Kerry managed in 2004, that's despite a 10% increase in population over that period.

 

47.7% is also the lowest percentage for a winner of the popular vote since 1992 (coincidentally Bill Clinton's first term) when there was an independent candidate picking up significant votes.

I saw a stat saying that Hillary received a lower percentage of the black and Hispanic vote than Obama did... either that wasn't true, a lot of black and Hispanic voters went third party, or... the third option is absolutely unbelievable.

Lower black turnout I can understand, but lower hispanic turnout seems BAFFLING. It's the former which really did the damage though, WI, MI and PA all had more than enough black voters for her to win, she just didn't get them out in high enough numbers. It's something like 150k she lost by in total across the 3 states, right?

Lower black turnout I can understand, but lower hispanic turnout seems BAFFLING. It's the former which really did the damage though, WI, MI and PA all had more than enough black voters for her to win, she just didn't get them out in high enough numbers. It's something like 150k she lost by in total across the 3 states, right?

100. 27 in Wisconsin, 17 in Michigan, 70 in Pennsylvania.

The campaign for California to secede has actually begun! :o

 

They are calling it Calexit.

Lower black turnout I can understand, but lower hispanic turnout seems BAFFLING. It's the former which really did the damage though, WI, MI and PA all had more than enough black voters for her to win, she just didn't get them out in high enough numbers. It's something like 150k she lost by in total across the 3 states, right?

 

Unsure if this was a response to my post but if it was, the stat I'm referring to isn't turnout, it's the percentage of the vote of those that did vote.

Ed Miliband has been tweeting this evening:

 

A few thoughts: 1/Devastated by Trump win for the US and the world and all those who he has vilified in the course of his campaign.

2/This is obviously colossal rejection of status quo. See NYT poll on voters who thought country on wrong track

3/This includes white voters without college education where he had a massive swing from 2012 and reshaped map.

4/Instead of choice between class and identity, both played a role. This was an economic revolt as well as one based on race and identity.

5/For the centre-left it means (again) the need for hard rethinking about how we have bigger economic solutions that speak to the moment.

6/But it is also about anti-politics and nationhood which were such a strong part of Trump’s appeal.

7/ None of this is easy, as I know, but what is clear is that the old economic settlement is dead and must be reshaped.

8/We cannot write off people who voted for Trump and need to separate them from the man. Many were crying with frustration like Brexit.

9/ There are many reasons to have profound anxiety about what comes next but, wherever it is, we must rebuild with deep thinking.

I've been so emotionally spent the past 24 hours and I need to take a break. Not gonna be on buzzjack for a bit I don't think. I'll come back when I've worked through this somehow. Hugs and kisses everyone except trump supporters, I'll see you soon

Have any of you started Amexit yet?

I'll move to Canada next week (for my business ) :yahoo:

100. 27 in Wisconsin, 17 in Michigan, 70 in Pennsylvania.

 

EVEN BETTER. I mean it's no 537 votes in Florida, but GAH.

The British press making a lot of the fact that Trump has rung 9 world leaders including Ireland's Enda Kenny but not rung Theresa May yet. In the past the President-Elect has always rung the British PM first and Obama did. He's doing things his way from the start. He has called the leaders of Ireland, Mexico, Israel, Egypt, Turkey, India, Japan, Australia and South Korea. Presumably the second one on the above list was about the wall.

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"Hi is that the leader of Mexico? Its Donald Trump, the President-elect of the United States of America. Just to inform you that, by way of democracy, the American people have voted for you to spend $25 billion on building a wall to stop your people, who are all rapists, from entering our country. We should receive the check within the next 6 months. Any questions? No, good. Hope you're well. Bye"

if only theresa had a penis

 

her fault tbh

Surprised he hasn't rang Putin up to tell him that their plan worked.

They've spoke now btw.