I'll do a generic reply to save all the hassle.

 

I've always said Hazel was partly to blame for the worst showmance in history, and of course I always was on Katie's side. Who wouldn't be?! However, despite what Hazel did being utterly stupid, Daley CONSTANTLY led her on to the point where he insisted he had broken up with his girlfriend before the show. She was EXTREMELY stupid and naïve to believe there was truth in it. But I draw the line at the 'homewrecker' word because it's a word I can't stand as it has always been used in a very sexist and egotistical manner. Hazel made a fool of herself. Daley made a fool of Katie. He wrecked his own home. If Gina was called a homewrecker I'd be defending her like I'm defending Hazel. Daley was weak and manipulative. He should've drawn the line. He didn't. Hazel is no saint. I never said she was. I think she has been given a rougher time than warranted. I knew about the shit she put up with over here and unless she's turned into Satan in the past year or two then she is being greatly misunderstood. She has bitched, she has been stupid, she has let herself down constantly, but is she "evil", a "whore" (who has she slept with in the house, may I ask?), a "sket", etc. etc. etc.? No. She's guilty of being a bitch and being very very stupid. Does that warrant death threats? Hardly.

 

Gina is honest about half the time. How she has this reputation of "saying it to their faces" is beyond me. Obviously everyone bitches, it's perfectly natural, but she keeps saying "oh, X is such a bitch", "Y can be SO bitchy. I don't trust him/her" as if she's somewhat innocent. I think she's being a dickhead because she calls people bitches when she is one herself. I'd like her if she owned it. She doesn't. She has every right to call Hazel untrustworthy if she wasn't guilty of half of what she accuses Hazel of being. "Saying it to their faces" isn't necessarily a good thing either. Look at Sallie. She "said it as it is" and it was horrendous. She's entertaining and she's nowhere near the worst in terms of previous BB housemates but I don't like seeing someone being put on a pedestal for being obnoxious. She has her good qualities, everyone does, and I've always said that.

 

With regards TEAMS, I'm not 'Team Hazel' as I absolutely loathe the mentality behind that crap. 'Hazelnuts' on DS claim she's perfect. She's far from it. I think she's entertaining (the same reason people like Gina), I think she's funny (although she's quite sour and boring as of late), and I think she's been given a harder time than she deserves. Pavel knows how I feel about women being labelled so that's why I probably come across as quite strong when the word 'homewrecker' comes up. This isn't anything towards any of you at all, I'm not that much of a tool. It's just one of the few things that actually make me completely irate. I rank Hazel highly purely on the basis that it's a very weak bunch of housemates. If this was any other year then I'd probably want her out after the first week.

Oh gosh this year has really been awful, hasn't it?

 

Jemima, my absolute favourite this year wouldn't probably even be in the Top 5 of last year's overall rankings. And Hazel, as my 2nd fave this year, around 7/8th position too.

I really don't think either, moving away from the whole homewrecking thing that we've agreed to disagree on thousands of times, that Hazel comes across better in that argument. Gina rants about personality traits, Hazel's point all centre around LOOKS. The latter is certainly more personal and has no bearings on the actions or personality of a human - and is therefore a very harsh / bitter point to make. Not to mention Gina has a skin condition, so I always find it harsh when people stoop that low to insult her skin.

 

If we're going to make comparisons to Sallie Axl and her 'cutting honesty', sure Gina calls her a skank which is perhaps a bit far fetched, but to say 'homewrecking' is within reason because of the whole Daley thing. To continue to make nasty comments about someone's appearance would certainly offend me more than somebody offending my personality.

I agree. She was also ridiculously immature / tiresome when she wont get on with the task just because Gina is in charge this week and wants to do well. Sticking her middle fingers up at her, saying she smells and just generally disobeying her to annoy her is something a five year old would do.

This year seemed to start off SO well, but quickly some of the characters I loved (Dan, Jackie and especially Wolfy) turned within a couple of weeks. At some point I've thought 'ugh god' at everyone in the whole series, bar Charlie and even she had some iffy moments with her putting her foot in it moments.

 

Also good point on the skin condition. I admire Gina for the amount of times she's got up and gone to the diary room when asked before putting make-up on, she has the quite good trait of not seeming to care what people think of her (which is usually good, but can sometimes be a bad thing).

I agree. She was also ridiculously immature / tiresome when she wont get on with the task just because Gina is in charge this week and wants to do well. Sticking her middle fingers up at her, saying she smells and just generally disobeying her to annoy her is something a five year old would do.

Please tell me Gina would've got on with the tasks if it was Hazel in charge? She might as she already showed she's not afraid of practically any task but I kind of have my doubts about it.

I think she would! She got on okay with it when Hazel was in charge in the safehouse, she made a few comments under her breath but not to the extent that Hazel is doing.

Can't believe anybody can even consider defending Hazel!

 

She may not have wrecked a home and Daley may have been willing but it's clear to anybody that she was the one pursing the whole thing. Going upto the treehouse covered in baby oil asking (about twenty times even after eh said no) for a 'hug', just made her look vulgar and desperate. Knowing that somebody is in SOME SORT of relationship should put them out of bounds for any self respecting woman We know by now though that Hazel has no self respect and is little more than a common tart.

 

Gina, on the other hand has morals. She is definitely flawed. She hears something and runs with it and goes on too much, and she bitches about Hazel constantly, but she has a heart. She says nothing about Hazel that she wouldn't say to her face if asked, and she has morals. Gina wouldn't do, or act the way Hazel does, not because she's not as pretty but because she has a heart and is generally a nicer person. Stuck up and snobby, maybe, but again, she's the only one who's properly given Sam any time of day asides from Callum, so I think the people slating Gina and defending Hazel really need to reassess their lives.

I didn't like Hazel in that argument at all. She shouldn't have reacted to Gina but she's as stubborn as hell so I'm hardly surprised. Being called a dirty whore is going to get a bad reaction from anyone though. She still shouldn't have mentioned looks though.

 

EDIT: Billy, I'm not defending Hazel for being an idiot with Daley, I'm stating that she shouldn't be labelled a whore, sket, etc. when she clearly isn't. And if I dislike Gina then I'm not going "reassess" my life. I've always stated she has goodness in her.

If Hazel wants to act like a slag, she shouldn't be shocked when she's called up on it, in my opinion.

Hearing Marcus Bentley say 'Queen Gina' *.*

Jesus f***ing christ on a stick. That is all imma say. :/

 

so I think the people slating Gina and defending Hazel really need to reassess their lives.

oh mah god this has really opened my eyes brb creating a ginaism, a new religion because she's our saviour all heil gina the almighty

 

In other words, no, I'm fine.

Edited August 8, 201311 yr by P∆VEL

I was obviously overreacting. All I meant is, Hazel is a far more negative, colder, nastier girl with no values at all.

This task is GOLDEN. In all honesty though, everyone else is getting shocked and the only one being dead bitchy about it is Hazel, acting as if she's above it all.

Yeah what bugs me is that she doesn't show ANY remorse whatsoever about the whole Daley thing. I would maybe at least have a bit more respect for her then.

 

Hazel is so annoying in this task too, everyone else is taking it on the chin and having fun with it. Too late to play the victim now babe.

Hazel's honestly such a bitter bitch. I don't know why she can't just wind her neck in and enjoy herself for the little time she has left in the house? It's just irritating to see her trying to cause arguments with Gina for the sake of it, but it's hilarious to see Gina just irritate her more for it. :lol:

I'm really not sure what to make of Hazel in this episode. A part of me feels she should just get on with it and have a rant in the diary room later, but I can easily imagine myself reacting in the way she's currently doing so with Gina/Charlie.

 

I generally find the hatred for her to be so overblown though. The Daley issue reflected horrendously on her, but there was always more fault with Daley, and frankly, it was weeks back. Besides being moody and a bit dull at times, she's generally been fine since then.

Yeah what bugs me is that she doesn't show ANY remorse whatsoever about the whole Daley thing. I would maybe at least have a bit more respect for her then.

 

Hazel is so annoying in this task too, everyone else is taking it on the chin and having fun with it. Too late to play the victim now babe.

 

I agree! The thing that annoys me was her spending weeks going on like 'omg what have I done wrong? what have i done that's so bad?' and it's like isn't it obvious?!

Yeah, when Gina & Charlie's friend have called her a homewrecker, she just passes it off like it's normal. Maybe this is just everyday practice for her?

Even as a massive Gina fan I think she came across really badly tonight, the hate on Twitter is mounting and it seems people are getting sick of her supposedly 'picking on Hazel' and seeing as in tomorrow nights show we will see her claiming she is being bullied by Hazel, I am really worried she is ruining this for herself in the last stretch. I personally think she took it a little too far tonight when Hazel had been complaining all day she was ill (which was not shown and we only heard her suddenly use that excuse when being asked to dance), however I do believe Hazel does deserve some stick for turning the whole house against Charlie the other night and blatantly lying about what conversations Charlie had with her to add more doubt to Gina's head when she could see Gina's boyfriend's comments had had an effect on her.