Those books are 100% marketing products. It becoming a tradition doesn't justify it. It's a total cash in!

 

I think you're perhaps being a bit overconfident when it comes to James' future, at this early stage. He'll probably be successful, but "the public adore him to no end" is so over the top. :lol: Wait for some evidence first! At this exact same stage, the same could have been said for Matt Cardle, and look what happened there. (Sorry Regina :snif: )

 

Exactly. You could say it about any of the winners at the time seeing as they were voted for by the public, but only three have gone on to do really well (Leona, Alex, Little Mix). A few of the others haven't done too badly either but my point here is that it's far too early to judge re. James. Just because you adore him to no end, Calum, doesn't mean everyone else does. :lol:

Calum, I really really can't @ your post. Releasing a book most certainly IS a marketing product, and having one out before a single surely makes THEM marketing products? They were always massive ones, less than a year into their career there was 1D STATIONERY. They're a brand as well as a band. Simon most certainly does care about their musical output, cause as Rooney said, they get top producers and songwriters, and the albums are good, I know from what you've told me before that you like the albums, so I do think Simon cares as he wouldn't BOTHER otherwise, and if he did that, I don't think they'd have had three #1 singles plus two 800k+ selling albums. James most certainly *is* a marketing product. Emeli Sandé is a marketing product (just an example). EVERY artist signed to a big label is a marketing product, as surely the people in charge want them to make MONEY?

 

I never denied at all that anybody was a marketing product. If you even read my post (you obviously didn't, selective reading maybe?) you would know I said that they are a marketing product on a larger scale than any other band there has ever been (and taking individual artists into consideration). I didn't deny either that a book *was* a marketing product, it's just that it has become standard procedure for one to be released when somebody leaves The X Factor after finishing at the top end. There are other people who have left The X Factor and have had a grand total of one book thus far, and they were on long before One Direction - yet being an example of a newer winner/runner-up to do so, they already have more books than any of the others will probably release throughout their entire career - and 1D's is long from over. God knows how many unofficial books and biographies, annuals and autobiographies they'll have by the end of their career if they keep going at this rate. It's obviously not even a bad thing that they themselves are getting involved and are releasing their own products, but when it comes to things like stationery and notepads and party masks and other unofficial things like that it really is tedious. :lol: It's a shame to think that they are thought of by a large quantity of people who are aware of them as a marketing product as opposed to a band who make music. That's basically the angle...

 

I think you're perhaps being a bit overconfident when it comes to James' future, at this early stage. He'll probably be successful, but "the public adore him to no end" is so over the top. :lol: Wait for some evidence first!

 

James Arthur - Impossible - #1 (United Kingdom)

James Arthur - Impossible - #1 (Scotland)

James Arthur - Impossible - #1 (Northern Ireland)

Over 1 million sales

'You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Loves You' looking set to be #1, or top 5 at least, as well as his album (probably)

 

Sorry for that non-existent evidence. :drama: SO OVER THE TOP GAWD

The posters/tea cups etc come because there's a demand for them. People aren't just buying the music they want the whole package. It's testament to how big a brand "One Direction" is now and unlike other contestants they have the credentials to warrant such mass marketing.

 

Not too dissimilar to this:

 

It actually isnt to be honest some of the range can be found: http://www.pyramidinternational.com/search/union%20j they will be having masks and mugs etc as well:

 

Oh those posters that you showed me? Will definitely be getting one of those (probably the portrait one, don't have the pins in the right place on the wall to get the landscape one (:() :lol: May get a George mug too (if there's one for each of them) <3

;)

Scottish and NI #1s count for nothing right now, they are included in the UK chart anyway. Besides, so many artists have had a UK #1, doesn't make them all SMASH HIT artists. 139 or so million sellers too, not all of those artists are massively remembered. ONE SONG doesn't mean you're a smash hit.

 

Besides, people are clearly willing to buy this merchandise, why NOT capitalise on that? It's not tedious at all. If that's tedious, Union J masks must also be... :unsure:

 

(oh Ball beat me)

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Scottish and NI #1s count for nothing right now, they are included in the UK chart anyway. Besides, so many artists have had a UK #1, doesn't make them all SMASH HIT artists. 139 or so million sellers too, not all of those artists are massively remembered. ONE SONG doesn't mean you're a smash hit.

 

Besides, people are clearly willing to buy this merchandise, why NOT capitalise on that? It's not tedious at all. If that's tedious, Union J masks must also be... :unsure:

 

(oh Ball beat me)

That's not the point at all that because he has one song he is a "smash hit". :lol: The point is that the public clearly DO love James' musical output if they have bought it and it has surpassed one million sales - sufficient enough evidence, I think...

 

As you'll see if you read, I didn't even comment on the Union J masks at all, because they are pathetic merchandising (as are One Direction masks), so that point is a bit invalid. All other merchandising such as pencils, pens, rubbers, notepads, etc are all pathetic too. They're not even of good quality, they're just spare parts thrown together with a One Direction logo giving not only the brand a large profit, but the fans terrible products. They're only novelty anyway and there are probably wise people out there who realise that after trying the pens and noticing after writing a line in your One Direction notepad that tears if you write on it your pen has ran out and don't buy the products again. :wub:

"James' musical output" aka. a song that he COVERED and rush-released. I wouldn't really say that means they like him as an artist, it means they like that song.

 

I don't think any of those pieces of merchandise are PATHETIC? What an odd word. They're a VERY good marketing technique and there's a demand for them, what's the problem? They most certainly ARE good quality btw, I've bought them myself and they work fine x

It doesn't matter if it's a song he covered or not... It's still HIS musical output. :lol: It says a lot about whether people like him as an artist or not.

 

How many packs of One Direction pens did you have to buy before getting one that actually works? :D

It doesn't matter if it's a song he covered or not... It's still HIS musical output. :lol: It says a lot about whether people like him as an artist or not.

 

How many packs of One Direction pens did you have to buy before getting one that actually works? :D

 

One pack.

I like the 1D pens personally.

Calum, you can't base James' future career on how well his winner's single performed. That's been and gone, and is pretty much the inevitable result from a winner.

Those books are 100% marketing products. It becoming a tradition doesn't justify it. It's a total cash in!

 

1D and their management would have been foolish not to explore lots of different money making avenues tbh. If everything they touch turns to gold, why not seize all opportunities? I don't believe their music is suffering for it.

 

I think you're perhaps being a bit overconfident when it comes to James' future, at this early stage. He'll probably be successful, but "the public adore him to no end" is so over the top. :lol: Wait for some evidence first! At this exact same stage, the same could have been said for Matt Cardle, and look what happened there. (Sorry Regina :snif: )

 

YOU WILL BE.

Calum, you can't base James' future career on how well his winner's single performed. That's been and gone, and is pretty much the inevitable result from a winner.

You can assume how he is going to perform, though.

 

At times it feels like I'd get a better conversation out of a wall.

You can assume how he is going to perform, though.

 

At times it feels like I'd get a better conversation out of a wall.

 

I think the wall would be the only thing that actually gets what point you're trying to make here.

I think the wall would be the only thing that actually gets what point you're trying to make here.

Clearly it would hold far more intelligence than yourself then.

You can assume how he is going to perform, though.

 

At times it feels like I'd get a better conversation out of a wall.

The point is that you actually CAN'T assume. The public are a fickle bunch, who knew Burke would have such a disastrous second album commercially. How did Leon Jackson do after getting the Christmas #1? One cover song does not determine how your entire future career is going to pan out especially in the case of a reality tv "star". He needs to build momentum from scratch again.

 

Having said that I do think James will have some success with this campaign but who knows about a year or two. But this is going mightily off topic so...

Never assume, it makes an ass of you and me.

Never assume, it makes an ass of you and me.

:heehee:

You can assume how he is going to perform, though.

 

At times it feels like I'd get a better conversation out of a wall.

 

Oh come on, personal digs in what was a perfectly reasonable conversation? That's hardly a sign of intelligence.

 

A lot of what you've written in this thread is contradictory, illogical and biased. :drama: I can't.

James Arthur being a credible artist is a joke. He's basically the same as Jessie J in terms of commercial artists acting as if they're 'different'. The only difference is he is using supposedly indie (but very much commercial) producers to further that. Literally the only reason he doesn't have extensive merchandise is the fact that his face shatters mirrors.

 

I don't even know how this thread started discussing that man :drama: Can we get back to discussing how hot Louis Tomlinson is please.

It's sad that people can't have discussions and debates these days without people being very nasty people. :(