Oh Pavel, as IF you'd stop enjoying eye candy on the TV if you had a boyfriend. :kink:

Mine doesn't frequent this very forum though :D

Mine doesn't frequent this very forum though :D

 

Lee uses the forum though? :unsure:

Edited September 11, 201311 yr by JosephStyles

Gross.

:D

Of all of the people who post in the BB forum, you are the most hateful, I'm pretty sure you've called about 6 of the housemates c**ts - so that is HUGELY hypocritical, I'm afraid. You've repeatedly called Charlotte a slag (quite a hateful term), referred to many housemates include a pretty harmless Sam as 'vile'. I didn't want to reply but your whole post reeks of hypocrisy. I'm not trying to be attacking here if I come across so, it's just my opinion.

 

I don't even think the problem is that you have opposing views. I was completely the opposite to Pavel & Cal through the entirety of BB15, yet I still had a great amount of respect for them and I felt that the way they argued the point of their favourite was more often than not, articulate and well thought out. You don't have to agree with everyone, I didn't agree about Joseph's looning of Sam either. But if you disagree with someone, a lot of the times your views lack any development (often because they're pretty much relaying what one of your favourites has said), they include lots of name-calling (this could come across hypocritical because I did frequently call Hazel a homewrecker, but I'm pretty sure that's one of the only moments of recent times where I have done this) which makes you seem a little petulant and you reply to almost every piece of 'hatred' towards your favourite in an inflammatory manner. You may think that it's us that's getting too wrapped up in Big Brother, but of all the people who comment, it's you who seems to get more riled up, personal and nasty about it all. It seems to be you more than anyone who hates someone opposing YOUR view.

 

Not everyone has to like Charlotte, so if you think my rant last night was purely about someone disliking Charlotte, you're completely wrong. Bal and Joseph openly say they don't like Charlotte and I give them a jokey BOOO or pull a face at them, but opinions are opinions. It's how they're put across, often you show so little respect to people that you're never going to be shown any back in a response. This is actually me being diplomatic and not just slagging you off incase you think I'm still "angry", I just think you need to open your eyes a little. I can openly admit I was very brash through Hazel's stint and Cal's post absolutely makes me realise this, you just don't seem to have any awareness whatsoever with the sort of things you say that come across awfully patronising.

 

I don't think at any point in my post I said that I was angelic, or that you're all completely wrong and I'm perfectly right. Nor did I say that I don't have any opinions on any of the housemates, or feel a certain way about them that spurs a reaction from me - calling them 'c**ts' or what have you. I don't believe that it has ever been a case of just calling them that with no back-up message either, so I think that's a bit of an strange (pretty sure it's not because you know most of my opinions [if not all] on the housemates, from both BB and CBB) statement to make, given I have probably 99% of the time backed up my reasoning for that with why I dislike them, or why I feel the need to say X and Y about them. I don't think that is the same in any way at all as somebody making a blunt statement trying to viciously get their point across by saying that Sallie is a "tart", or Carol is an "old bag", or Vicky is an "old hag" - those are things that are said when people are angry with them that have no relation whatsoever to the way that they behave - they are personal insults used to try and insult those who are fans of them, be it one person, or a large amount of people. Calling Sallie a "tart" (to take it as an example) when making a post to try and get at somebody is just silly. It has no real relevance to any point that any person may be trying to make. It's just a mere personal insult. Whatever behaviour she may have portrayed in the house, it does not relate to her being a "tart", as she has been described. Surely you must understand my confusion there? When somebody says something, such as 'Oh she's a c**t', for whatever reason, backing it up with evidence, then that is 100% fair enough, no matter how much I, or any other person, may dislike it, and no matter what attitude I may have shown towards it previously. But when somebody says 'She's a tart because she had a go at someone'... No. Why would you even bring somebody's profession, or the thing that they specialise in, into a post when you are saying that you dislike them? You don't dislike them for being a provocative model, do you? You dislike them for what they have done, or the negative part of their personality that they have shown.

 

The way you make a comparison there too at the beginning of your second paragraph seems to suggest you think I lack respect for people who do not share the same opinion as me? Is that actually a serious comment or are you taking the piss here? Like I have just finished saying (wouldn't it seem somewhat extremely hypocritical anyway?), people shouldn't be resorting to personal insults to other people here (on a large scale) because they have differing opinions. I don't think I have EVER held a grudge with somebody, or treated them in a certain way, or spoke to them in a certain way, or belittled them and their opinion because theirs contrasts mine. That is just silly. One of the main reasons I often reply to the hatred that is thrown in whatever one of my favourite's direction though is because I really am the only voice that speaks for them (it definitely seems that way (and seemed that way) with Sallie, and even now with Carol). Attempting to explain that they do have some good in them, if not more-so than the bad that they have illustrated, or will illustrate, is not a bad thing surely? If people are irritated or upset by that, then I can only ask why? If it's the way that it has sometimes come across, then fair enough, and I accept that it may have been wrong, but surely when you are the only voice trying to break through and to rectify why something has happened, or something has been said, by one of them, it's difficult to do it in any other manner that provokes attention when you have nearly everybody else screaming out "OMG she's this", "OMG she's that", etc - making remarks about her/them that are not at all necessary [FTR, not condoning it in any way, but sometimes it is the only way]. And like I said, I don't think I have ever made any personal remarks to anybody, or brought anything private into the conversation, or tried to act in a certain way just because they have an opposing opinion. If you do have the time to sift out any examples though, or can even find any at all, that would be nice.

 

But yeah, not going to say anything more. You obviously all fail to see the quite-obviously-there good in both Sallie and Carol, and fail to gain any form of perspective in that regard, so it's pointless wasting any more time trying to point it out. But there really is no need for the comments about Sallie being a "tart", or anything else that relates to any of the housemates' professions, or what they look like, because I actually find that quite insulting, to me. I'm not even that much of a fan of Vicky, I've not really shown any major affection for her throughout the series, apart from one or two occasions when I have backed her in certain arguments, or she has said a few wise things, but when people make comments like that about her appearance or what have you, it really is rather demeaning - but it seems appearance is the easiest thing to judge when trying to make a personal remark that effectively gets a cheap laugh from everybody else, or the next ":D" post.

 

Well I find it hard to comprehend how you absolutely hate Sophie (from CBB) and Jackie (from BB). You really loved Sophie while she was in the house and she never really acted any differently when she returned last night. Jackie never did anything really horrible or evil, she was only acting like any mother in the house would act, it must have been hard anyway with no one else there who was around her age. I can understand someone disliking both of them but hate is very, very strong and suddenly switching your mind on Sophie to such an extreme opinion is quite strange.

 

The hate for Sophie isn't exactly a sudden change, it's been a slow progression since about the final days she was in the house, or even before that. When she was in the house she was constantly making comments under her breath about Carol, or bitching to different people about others, and it was just all completely unnecessary and uncalled for. I suppose the only reason that I really stuck with her while she was in the house was because she did still have a sense of vulnerability while she was in there, and it looked like she was extremely stressed, and that made me feel quite sorry for her in a way, and just added to the many reasons why I originally did like her. Then when she got out the house, she started making comments about Carol (EXTREMELY rude ones of that) on BOTS, and was tweeting. And now when she went back into the house, she was being bitchy, and was having a go at anybody she could dig her claws into and try and tear them apart. Obviously that was the objective of the task, for Sophie and Danielle to go in and cause a bit of trouble with the housemates, but it seems Sophie was a lot more interest in (re)lighting the flames that had her and Danielle so far apart from one another, and that was a bit sad to see. It doesn't seem like she's that vulnerable housemate she was any more, she's just turned into a fully loaded bitch, ready to explode very soon.

Anyway, onto a less tedious and moronic matter.

 

WIN - bet365

 

11/10 / Abz Love

3/1 / Lauren Harries

4/1 / Charlotte Crosby

9/1 / Carol McGiffin

18/1 / Louis Spence

33/1 / Vicky Entwhistle

50/1 / Mario Falcone

66/1 / Courtney Stodden

 

EVICT - bet365

 

8/11 / Courtney Stodden

7/2 / Louis Spence

4/1 / Vicky Entwhistle

10/1 / Mario Falcone

25/1 / Carol McGiffin

 

Shocked at Louis being 2nd favourite to go now!

 

 

 

I'm not actually buying those odds. Surely Louie is safe (given how much of a love/hate figure he is and getting a better crowd reception as the weeks have gone on) and even Courtney has immense love on Digital Spy and the like.

 

Mario wasn't treated too kindly on BOTS last night so i'm hoping he actually goes and maybe Vicky if the bookmakers have underestimated the support she would have gotten post-Charlotte gate could be in trouble.

I think that Vicky is a dead cert to leave with a Vote to Save. I would say Mario is the next likely to leave but it depends on how many 'fit' votes he gets.

Praying that Courtney is safe!

WIN

 

Abz Love 6/5

Charlotte Crosby 13/8 http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/images/assets/up_icon.png

Lauren Harries 9/2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/images/assets/down_icon.png

Carol McGiffin 12/1

Mario Falcone 40/1

Vicky Entwistle 50/1