just like smarmy public schoolboy Cameron and backstabbing Milliband then...

 

Clegg hates the group of people who are the most persecuted minority in Britain, the wealthy and wealth creators

 

Instead of rewarding their success he wants to penalise them at every turn, higher tax, mansion tax etc, he hates enterprise and success and he hates Britain

 

We dont want him in the tory party

the most persecuted minority in Britain, the wealthy and wealth creators

Are you being serious?

Are you being serious?

 

100% yes

 

In America entrepreneurs and wealth creators are worshipped like gods and almost revered, success in America is considered a great thing, yet in this country it is a completely different culture, the wealthy are abused and vilified and called names almost like it is a crime to work hard and be successful

 

Where is our Mark Zuckerberg or our Jack Dorsey or our Sergey Brin or our Jeff Bezos? can you name a self made very rich entrepreneur under 30 or even 40? i can't, why? because there are hardly any in the first place because people are not encouraged in the UK to start up a business and part of it is because success is sneered at in this country

 

When an entrepreneur is featured in the media instead of 'give that guy a round of applause, what an amazing man' it is instead 'what a c**t, he probably made it through exploiting his workers with zero hours contracts'

 

Politicians bar tories want to tax our wealth creators and punish them for doing a great job too

 

Boris Johnson hit the nail on the head yesterday when he said that entrepreneurs are heroes who should be rewarded

I'd love Clegg to lose his Sheffield seat, full of students, but think he'll retain it with a much reduced majority. Apparently a good constituency MP.

I'd love Clegg to lose his Sheffield seat, full of students, but think he'll retain it with a much reduced majority. Apparently a good constituency MP.

 

Isn't Jeremy Clarkson standing against him? I think Clarkson would beat him

The day JC becomes an MP is the day I leave this country for good.

Isn't Jeremy Clarkson standing against him? I think Clarkson would beat him

 

 

He's rumoured to be, yes, but don't think it's confirmed yet. You're right, he has a good chance of beating him!

Clegg hates the group of people who are the most persecuted minority in Britain, the wealthy and wealth creators

 

Is this not what Boris Johnson said?!

So you support what is essentially vote rigging then

 

Congrats

How is it vote rigging you fool?

100% yes

 

In America entrepreneurs and wealth creators are worshipped like gods and almost revered, success in America is considered a great thing, yet in this country it is a completely different culture, the wealthy are abused and vilified and called names almost like it is a crime to work hard and be successful

 

Where is our Mark Zuckerberg or our Jack Dorsey or our Sergey Brin or our Jeff Bezos? can you name a self made very rich entrepreneur under 30 or even 40? i can't, why? because there are hardly any in the first place because people are not encouraged in the UK to start up a business and part of it is because success is sneered at in this country

 

When an entrepreneur is featured in the media instead of 'give that guy a round of applause, what an amazing man' it is instead 'what a c**t, he probably made it through exploiting his workers with zero hours contracts'

 

Politicians bar tories want to tax our wealth creators and punish them for doing a great job too

 

Boris Johnson hit the nail on the head yesterday when he said that entrepreneurs are heroes who should be rewarded

You seem to hate this country far more than Ralph Miliband ever did. Why don't you leave?

Is this not what Boris Johnson said?!

 

Similar yes, cant remember the exact comment but he said something about the top entrepreneurs should be knighted each year

 

 

How is it vote rigging you fool?

 

2 parties colluding to deny voters a fair democratic voting system, Mugabe would be proud

You seem to hate this country far more than Ralph Miliband ever did. Why don't you leave?

 

Opposite

 

I love my country, but it needs changing from within

100% yes

 

In America entrepreneurs and wealth creators are worshipped like gods and almost revered, success in America is considered a great thing, yet in this country it is a completely different culture, the wealthy are abused and vilified and called names almost like it is a crime to work hard and be successful

 

Where is our Mark Zuckerberg or our Jack Dorsey or our Sergey Brin or our Jeff Bezos? can you name a self made very rich entrepreneur under 30 or even 40? i can't, why? because there are hardly any in the first place because people are not encouraged in the UK to start up a business and part of it is because success is sneered at in this country

 

When an entrepreneur is featured in the media instead of 'give that guy a round of applause, what an amazing man' it is instead 'what a c**t, he probably made it through exploiting his workers with zero hours contracts'

 

Politicians bar tories want to tax our wealth creators and punish them for doing a great job too

 

Boris Johnson hit the nail on the head yesterday when he said that entrepreneurs are heroes who should be rewarded

 

(pause for sighing, and I begin...)

 

No we don't. Richard Branson? In the UK we like rich people with a social conscience, just like our society, one of the most fair systems in history, politically and socially, but it didn't just happen overnight at the behest of the rich and powerful, they were dragged kicking and screaming into it, just like the rich and powerful generally are in life - but not all. There are plenty like Bill gates who actually DO things with their money because what is the point of being filthy rich. You get comfy, you get more money than you need, you die, and you achieve nothing.

 

America, I suggest you go over there for a few months and live, maybe go for a pleasant night's walk in parts of Miami, LA or Chicago, as we can and do in London and every town and city in the UK.... There's lots I love about the USA, but it's fairness and equality (for all it's Dec of Independence-quoting right-wing) isn't by any means one if it's strongest points. The poor, quite literally, die from being poor. Plenty of shanty shack, predominently black, small towns about an hour from Disney World Florida. Makes a lovely contrast. Self-made rich people (often scheming ruthless gits, not hard-working innovative achievers) are of the attitude that if you're poor it's your own fault. Presumably they society being composed of 100% rich people if only we all worked hard enough..... Which of course is a fatuous argument. The rich and powerful like to keep themselves that why and exploit every loophole to make sure they do, and that requires a subservient low-paid workforce. That's just economics, there's always someone else willing to pay people even less to undercut your product.

 

Plus, have you see n the mountain of debt in war-mongering, gun-toting, high-mortality violence-obsessed USA? Makes the Uk's vast debts look like a molehill. That's not going anywhere either. The rich will be fine of course, they always are, it's the poor who get it between the eyes.

 

(and relax.....)

 

There is no worse role models on the planet than the Americans. Every day people die because they don't have access to basic Healthcare. The political and social climate in the us is self serving and broken. Corporations have more access and control over the law makers than the people who elect them. That's straight up stupidity. No one individual or corporation should come above the people.

2 parties colluding to deny voters a fair democratic voting system, Mugabe would be proud

 

as I recall, they asked the country if they wished to modestly adapt the fair democratic process to match the process it already uses for it's MEPs and to an extent it's local councillors. Proportional representation, for the record, is the most democratic system, because everyone's viewpoint counts - not just the 20% of the 40% of voters who are motivated enough to walk in the rain to scribble on a bit of paper. The country decided it liked things as they are.

 

Mugabe, I think you'll find is a ruthless powerful, filthy rich entrepreneur who made his fortune through sheer hard work and inventiveness and not callous disregard for life as is suggested by those horrid leftie newspapers. He's also not especially socialist. Hmmm, I can guess which party he'd vote for (if he paid more than lip service to it)...

LMAO at the poor rich people being "persecuted". Hopefully there's more persecution to come, I want to see a public tax register so that all the tax-dodgers (many of whom have the nerve to demonise benefit-claimants and say that the poorest need to work longer hours on less wages to "compete" in the world) are named and shamed.

(pause for sighing, and I begin...)

 

No we don't. Richard Branson? In the UK we like rich people with a social conscience, just like our society, one of the most fair systems in history, politically and socially, but it didn't just happen overnight at the behest of the rich and powerful, they were dragged kicking and screaming into it, just like the rich and powerful generally are in life - but not all. There are plenty like Bill gates who actually DO things with their money because what is the point of being filthy rich. You get comfy, you get more money than you need, you die, and you achieve nothing.

 

America, I suggest you go over there for a few months and live, maybe go for a pleasant night's walk in parts of Miami, LA or Chicago, as we can and do in London and every town and city in the UK.... There's lots I love about the USA, but it's fairness and equality (for all it's Dec of Independence-quoting right-wing) isn't by any means one if it's strongest points. The poor, quite literally, die from being poor. Plenty of shanty shack, predominently black, small towns about an hour from Disney World Florida. Makes a lovely contrast. Self-made rich people (often scheming ruthless gits, not hard-working innovative achievers) are of the attitude that if you're poor it's your own fault. Presumably they society being composed of 100% rich people if only we all worked hard enough..... Which of course is a fatuous argument. The rich and powerful like to keep themselves that why and exploit every loophole to make sure they do, and that requires a subservient low-paid workforce. That's just economics, there's always someone else willing to pay people even less to undercut your product.

 

Plus, have you see n the mountain of debt in war-mongering, gun-toting, high-mortality violence-obsessed USA? Makes the Uk's vast debts look like a molehill. That's not going anywhere either. The rich will be fine of course, they always are, it's the poor who get it between the eyes.

 

(and relax.....)

 

While you make valid points, and i don't for one moment disagree with you about inequality in America, they do have a much different attitude to aspiration and enterprise than we do

 

There are 2 types of wealth to me -

 

Deserved wealth - a guy setting up a business, a guy having a great idea, a guy changing the way we use the net, those kind of things should be celebrated, people like Zuckerberg etc should be cheered from the rooftops, such people deserve every penny they get

 

Undeserved wealth - a company that has exploited and abused its monopoly status to fleece consumers, CEO's or utility companies, bankers that risked other peoples money, inherited wealth like the Ecclestone girls who live off daddys billions while not doing a stroke of work

 

The people in the first group are absolute heroes, the people in the second group deserve no appreciation at all

 

LMAO at the poor rich people being "persecuted". Hopefully there's more persecution to come, I want to see a public tax register so that all the tax-dodgers (many of whom have the nerve to demonise benefit-claimants and say that the poorest need to work longer hours on less wages to "compete" in the world) are named and shamed.

 

If they were dodging tax they would be in court, what they are doing is using completely legal methods to minimise their tax exposure, broken no laws at all

 

Should the laws be changed? maybe, but they are acting within the law so should not be named and shamed

And it is not just the rich who do it too

 

We all pay window cleaners, builders, taxi drivers, plumbers, handymen etc in cash in hand, it is not my business but i bet a good many of them do not declare it all or indeed any to the taxman