I think Chipmunk's song actually climbed to its peak and spent a couple of weeks in the top 40? It doesn't matter if Champion was still big, since when songs are released on air, on sale, they'll always be released when the previous single is big. For example Airplanes got released when Nothin on You was still big (both the songs were even the top 2 on iTunes), What's My Name got released when Only Girl was still big (so much it got to #1 before it!), and so on. A UK example is Price Tag's release being brought forward to when Do It Like a Dude was still big.

 

It was nothing to do with the release in Chipmunk's case imo, Capital simply wasn't playing the song, so it wasn't going to sell anything. But my point is, it's probably not only because of Nicola Roberts that they stopped doing it, there were dozens of other "casualties" which were as or more significant than hers. I don't think the music industry is going to change just because of one of her singles. There were lots of successes at the time as well though (Party Rock Anthem, Give Me Everything, Born This Way, etc.), but labels probably thought it's mainly US artists that have success with it, not UK artists.

 

 

Exactly, Nothin on You was held back weeks and peaked at no1 in mid-end May 2010 then Airplanes in Late june as it was OA/OS and so they overlapped because the first record only charted after a 6 week build up.

 

RE Jessie J, yeah Price Tag was OA/OS as was Do it like A Dude (which peaked in January after a pre xmas release).

What's My Name got released when Only Girl was still big (so much it got to #1 before it!)

No it didn't? What's My Name was No. 1 in Jan and Only Girl was in Oct.

No it didn't? What's My Name was No. 1 in Jan and Only Girl was in Oct.

 

No, I'm talking about the US, What's My Name got #1 in November, and Only Girl got #1 in December (showing how if everything is on air, on sale, big hits will always overlap, so it shouldn't have hurt Chipmunk). Same with the B.o.B songs I mentioned, Airplanes got released when Nothin' on You was still at #1 on iTunes, and both songs overlapped fine.

Edited February 26, 201411 yr by Eric_Blob

something like this will happen

 

75 on-demand stream (Spotify, Deezer, Google Play All Access etc..) = 1 download

200 Youtube/VEVO stream (at least 2 minutes long) = 1 download

 

 

Which mean half a million on-demand streams = 6667 sales

2 million Youtube/VEVO stream = 10000 sales

 

Sales will still make up 70% or more of the total.

Edited March 1, 201411 yr by Dust2

75 on-demand stream (Spotify, Deezer, Google Play All Access etc..) = 1 download

That sounds right I think. For example over the last week 'Rather Be' had 1,089,114 spotify plays - which would translate into 14,522 sales to the nearest whole number.

http://charts.spotify.com/

 

Then Select "UK" in the "Select Country" box

 

#1 Rather Be 1,089,114 plays

#2 Timber 707,817 plays

#3 Happy 612,622 plays

#4 Dark Horse 566,100 plays

 

 

If 75 on-demand streams = 1 sales, then

 

#1 Rather Be 1,089,114 plays = 14,521 sales

#2 Timber 707,817 plays = 9,437 sales

#3 Happy 612,622 plays = 8,168 sales

#4 Dark Horse 566,100 plays = 7548 sales

 

 

http://charts.spotify.com/

 

Then Select "UK" in the "Select Country" box

 

#1 Rather Be 1,089,114 plays

#2 Timber 707,817 plays

#3 Happy 612,622 plays

#4 Dark Horse 566,100 plays

If 75 on-demand streams = 1 sales, then

 

#1 Rather Be 1,089,114 plays = 14,521 sales

#2 Timber 707,817 plays = 9,437 sales

#3 Happy 612,622 plays = 8,168 sales

#4 Dark Horse 566,100 plays = 7548 sales

There's a second version of 'Happy' at #22 with 276,588 plays, so:

+612,622 = 889,210 plays = 11,856 sales ;)

 

I suppose that's beside the point but good to keep in mind multiple versions for streaming, just as it is with sales/downloads.

Edited March 2, 201411 yr by Riser

If 50 on-demand streams = 1 sales, then

 

#1 Rather Be 1,089,114 plays = 21,783 sales

 

 

Sales will still dominate. Streams are not front loaded like downloads, especially if songs are not On Air On Sale.

 

I don't think it will effect the chart that much.

Edited March 3, 201411 yr by Dust2

Not sure if this has been brought up yet but any ideas what the BPI will do in regards to certifications? I presume they will include streaming when updating certifications and the number of copies to pass each certification will be moved up.

So when will the OCC count pub jukebox plays? :heehee:

So when will the OCC count pub jukebox plays? :heehee:

 

Would you really want them to though? This is the jukebox play chart:

 

http://www.soundnet.net/uk-play-chart

 

Even slower than the streaming chart! :wacko:

where is Jason derulo stupid love?where do you think it will peak?

Stream Revenue 2013: £103m (number of streams doubled from 2012)

 

Singles Download in 2013: 188.6 million

 

Singles Download Revenue 2013 scenario A (79p is the average price): 188.6 million downloads x 0.79p = £149m

Singles Download Revenue 2013 scenario B (89p is the average price): 188.6 million downloads x 0.89p = £168m

 

 

It won't be too long before Streaming Revenue surpasses Singles Download Revenue (this has happened in the USA already so maybe 2 years away for the UK). So it's just a matter of time before the UK Charts incorporate streaming into the UK Singles Chart.

 

 

Look no further than this figure for UMG:

 

2012 streaming revenue for Universal Music: $353 million

2013 streaming revenue for Universal Music: $618 million (up 75%)

 

Edited March 8, 201411 yr by Dust2

And how will the albums be counted in streaming?

And how will the albums be counted in streaming?

They won't. I don't think, otherwise an album could get to #1 because of 1 massively popular song but no1curr about the rest (e.g. Gotye and Passenger's albums, although they did sell quite well)

Maybe there should a different count for streaming albums, e.g. if one authorised user listens to every song of an album in Spotify the album gets a fraction of sale.

I think that the industry doesn't want to use streaming for albums as it would kill the sales even more than they are now dying.

Besides it's the BBC that are pressing for the streaming change. I keep saying this because they don't like broadcasting the iTunes top 40, which is what the UK top 40 singles chart has become. It's too commercial for them. I bet they were not happy when AC/DC getting so high at Christmas and matched were it was in the iTunes site, despite the fact the sales chart is supposed to be a combination of ALL selling places. It's not just a one off either. Even in the current chart Beyoncé's tracks are doing much better, despite the fact that you can only get them on iTunes and Amazon. If iTunes had less than half the market in downloads and the rest was split up between a dozen sites, then the people at BBC Radio would not be pressing for the introduction of streaming. But the Music Industry has let iTunes rule the roost. It was obvious to me that sooner or later someone would put an end to the iTunes gravy train, just didn't think it would be the Beeb!

 

I think that the industry doesn't want to use streaming for albums as it would kill the sales even more than they are now dying.

Besides it's the BBC that are pressing for the streaming change. I keep saying this because they don't like broadcasting the iTunes top 40, which is what the UK top 40 singles chart has become. It's too commercial for them. I bet they were not happy when AC/DC getting so high at Christmas and matched were it was in the iTunes site, despite the fact the sales chart is supposed to be a combination of ALL selling places. It's not just a one off either. Even in the current chart Beyoncé's tracks are doing much better, despite the fact that you can only get them on iTunes and Amazon. If iTunes had less than half the market in downloads and the rest was split up between a dozen sites, then the people at BBC Radio would not be pressing for the introduction of streaming. But the Music Industry has let iTunes rule the roost. It was obvious to me that sooner or later someone would put an end to the iTunes gravy train, just didn't think it would be the Beeb!

I don't see why the BBC would care that they are broadcasting someithing similar to the iTunes chart. Why does it matter? So what if there is one retailer that dominates the market, it is their job to play the chart, not be concerned as to where the sales happened to have come from.

Would they have been bothered in the old vinyl days if the top 40 was very similar to the HMV chart?

I don't see how it's even any of their business.

Edited March 9, 201411 yr by Col1967

The BBC fund the Official Chart, so it's a lot to do with them.

 

The BBC has very strict guidelines on what is considered advertising. iTunes being a commercial organisation would break these rules. Radio One would look like a commercial radio station and that isn't allowed under the BBC charter. As it would be just a free plug for iTunes. That would have applied in the past so had the chart looked like the HMV chart, the BBC would have pulled the plug on the chart show.

 

There are more rules than I have hot dinners with the chart and how it is presented on TV and Radio.

Take the Chart Show Presenters, they are not allowed to do a lot of work which would compromise their status as being the chart show presenter.

 

Other examples taken from an official BBC Guide:

 

Here on some guidelines that the BBC use:

 

The BBC should not partner with religious bodies, political

organisations, pressure groups or lobby groups.

■ The BBC must not work with companies involved or associated

with tobacco, pornography, guns, escort or marriage agencies,

gambling, promotion of the occult, family planning, pharmaceuticals.

■ The BBC must not partner with fast-food or unhealthy food

companies or products when children’s programmes or brands

are involved.

 

A commercial company even using the BBC logo must adhere to certain standards on how the logo is used.

 

The BBC have always had a problem with the charts and playing records. They are in-fact plugs to make you purchase a record. This is why there is so much live music on BBC TV and radio. The BBC keeps a fine balance on the need to promote music for selling purposes and the need to play music that is just popular with the public.

 

You might recall that a few years ago the OCC got into some trouble with the BBC over the use of Cola firm being used to sponsor them.

 

 

It looks like singles download has peaked in the USA. It is now on the decline.

 

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/593...n-billboard-200

 

Digital track sales this past week totaled 23.04 million downloads, up less than 1% compared with last week (22.99 million) and down 9% stacked next to the comparable week of 2013 (25.4 million). Year-to-date track sales are at 247.1 million, down 11% compared with the same total at this point last year (278.8 million).