I've lost a lot of interest in the chart to begin with, and that's without streaming.

 

But not so much you can bear to leave this forum... ;)

2 things:

 

Is the streaming data calculated from this Sunday the 29th for the Sunday 6th chart, or from the 6th, for Sunday the 13th chart?

 

Are there songs available on stream that aren't available to download, and would they chart?

Are there songs available on stream that aren't available to download, and would they chart?

 

Spotify Sessions is one example, but they're live versions. I can't think of any original ones.

Just had a thought, if the trend is toward streaming and away from downloading, then in the future I can imagine some folk downloading, purely to propel their favourite Act's latest release to try and push it to number one. After all, 1 download is worth 100 streams!

 

Assuming the X Factor is still with us in let's say 5 years time and still releasing the winner's song just before Xmas, then I think this would make it even harder for another song to compete for the Xmas #1 spot.

So the week Ariana/Iggy are releasing Problem is the one the changes will happen for the first time? :drama:

 

2 things:

 

Is the streaming data calculated from this Sunday the 29th for the Sunday 6th chart, or from the 6th, for Sunday the 13th chart?

 

Are there songs available on stream that aren't available to download, and would they chart?

 

Streaming sales will start to count from next Sunday (29th) - I assume the timing is because that's the start of the 2nd half of the chart year.

 

I haven't heard of any streaming-only exclusion rules. :unsure:

Not sure how I feel about the change really but don't think I'm really that fussed. I can't see it making a huge difference at the top end of the chart all that often.

 

I use Spotify every day but never stream online. As soon as there's a song I want I add it to my offline playlists and I only ever use them. I haven't read through every page of the thread, but I'd imagine that means I won't be contributing to the streaming counts at all.

I haven't heard of any streaming-only exclusion rules. :unsure:

If I remember rightly, downloads were originally only allowed to count in the singles chart on the proviso that there was a physical single available too. So I wondered if something similar would apply now, with streaming.

On here there's been a lot of talk about download releases being held back to try and give a new release a big initial push. So I wondered if songs are available to stream ahead of a download release and basically, would they chart, ahead of jumping to number 1 for a week; for example.

Just had a thought, if the trend is toward streaming and away from downloading, then in the future I can imagine some folk downloading, purely to propel their favourite Act's latest release to try and push it to number one. After all, 1 download is worth 100 streams!

 

Assuming the X Factor is still with us in let's say 5 years time and still releasing the winner's song just before Xmas, then I think this would make it even harder for another song to compete for the Xmas #1 spot.

 

That's true. I can imagine it'd be a tactic that the boy bands and female pop stars will use in the future.

 

This happened in the US. In the mid-00s their chart was sales+airplay, but sales were so low at that point that the chart was basically 99% airplay. But once a year the American Idol winner was still able to get a week at #1 with no airplay but very high sales. So it could feasibly happen in a sales/streaming chart when sales are low and streaming dominates.

 

So the week Ariana/Iggy are releasing Problem is the one the changes will happen for the first time? :drama:

 

I think they'll be far enough ahead of the #2 that they'll be fine. But there's bound to be a case at some point where some indie band beat a pop song that Buzzjack loves to #1 due to streaming. :lol:

Edited June 24, 201411 yr by Eric_Blob

I think the only change that is going to be seen at the top of the chart is that songs like 'All Of Me' and 'Happy' would stay in the top 10 even longer. This could be a shame for songs just breaking the top 10, like Gorgon City this week could have possibly missed out unfortunately. I can see it being bad news for acts like The Saturdays for instance as well.

I think they'll be far enough ahead of the #2 that they'll be fine. But there's bound to be a case at some point where some indie band beat a pop song that Buzzjack loves to #1 due to streaming. :lol:

Apart from 1 or 2 indie bands, I don't see so many indie artists on the Streaming chart tbh :unsure:

That's true. I can imagine it'd be a tactic that the boy bands and female pop stars will use in the future.

 

This happened in the US. In the mid-00s their chart was sales+airplay, but sales were so low at that point that the chart was basically 99% airplay. But once a year the American Idol winner was still able to get a week at #1 with no airplay but very high sales. So it could feasibly happen in a sales/streaming chart when sales are low and streaming dominates.

I think they'll be far enough ahead of the #2 that they'll be fine. But there's bound to be a case at some point where some indie band beat a pop song that Buzzjack loves to #1 due to streaming. :lol:

Indie band at the top?

 

 

When was the last time that happenned in this decade exactly?

I agree with Bre on this. It's easier to manipulate sales than it is to manipulate streaming. Why are people so worried about the chart being manipulated when for the past few years we've been having Facebook campaigns every few months doing this already?

 

because a sale is a sale regardless of the reason for buying it, be it in tribute, annoyance at X factor, loving the record or fancying the artist. It's a one-off commitment by the purchaser. A stream can be an ongoing source of rabid fan worship week after week without paying anything - granted it's a lot of bother to commit to that, and more likely just that singles will take forever to leave the charts and new acts will become excluded even more than they already are.

 

Personally, I find the American download chart much more interesting than the slow and tedious Hot 100, and I don't see a slowed-down UK singles chart injecting enthusiasm amongst young new music fans. Guess we'll see soon enough though...

Manipulation or not, everyone uses a different marketing approach, and what works works, that has always been the way so whether streaming adds to that or takes away from it i think it is very necessary to include streaming.

 

I am excited about this move, i think the first official chart that includes streaming will be extremely exciting and may give the chart a big shake up or it may not change anything. I think it is right to add it in and it reflects how people are using and accessing music, it will also be interesting to see what way record companies will try and use it to their advantage, that said,if it improves sales it can only be a good move.

 

The big question i have is, how are they going to find a way to boost album sales, that market need needs it far more than the singles market.

 

 

Indie band at the top?

 

 

When was the last time that happenned in this decade exactly?

fun. "We Are Young" spent a week at #1 in 2012. So did Coldplay "Paradise". And if Bastille's first single from album #2 is massively commercial like Pompeii, then that'll probably go to #1 especially when factoring streaming in.

Coldplay are far from indie though. They're as accessible as water and air by this point.

It all feels rather strange to me right now, that people can pay next to nothing, to listen to a song for a minimum of 30 seconds, never own a copy of it and it can get to no.1. :wacko:

It all feels rather strange to me right now, that people can pay next to nothing, to listen to a song for a minimum of 30 seconds, never own a copy of it and it can get to no.1. :wacko:

 

 

It gets capped though, They have to listen to it multiple times every day for over a week for it to count as a sale.

It all feels rather strange to me right now, that people can pay next to nothing, to listen to a song for a minimum of 30 seconds, never own a copy of it and it can get to no.1. :wacko:

 

"Harlem shake" aside, it will never happen. Look at the streaming chart, all of the songs at the top are doing great sales wise too, which makes sense.

Oh and by the way, even stuff like "Harlem Shake" won't happen here considering (youtube) videos are not counted, it's only audio streaming.

Edited June 24, 201411 yr by Hayzayy

But not so much you can bear to leave this forum... ;)

 

I like to discuss music, but I couldn't tell you who the last 5 no.1s came from.