That's a good question.

 

And one I can't find the answer to anywhere?!

 

So if for example when The Vamps upload 8 versions of the same song onto spotify, could a fan listen to each one 10 times 7 days a week and generate 5.6 extra sales for the same song?

I had a quick skip back and didn't see the answer but does anybody know the answer to this:

 

One user's listens per song is capped at 10 plays a day per track. But what about if they listen to the single version 10 times, then a remix, then the album version, etc? Would that count towards more parts of a sale?

 

 

Or if they listen to the song on more then one streaming site. I think they'll enforce whatever rules they do with itunes, where they cap the amount of times people buy a song each week

Or if they listen to the song on more then one streaming site. I think they'll enforce whatever rules they do with itunes, where they cap the amount of times people buy a song each week

 

 

I swear you can only buy a song once on iTunes anyway...?

I swear you can only buy a song once on iTunes anyway...?

Normally yes, If you bought the single version for example, the album version will show up as a bought song.... normally... but you can buy it again if it's on various compilation and you can buy it everytime if it's on different compilations. Well that's what I've experienced.

Normally yes, If you bought the single version for example, the album version will show up as a bought song.... normally... but you can buy it again if it's on various compilation and you can buy it everytime if it's on different compilations. Well that's what I've experienced.

 

So iTunes caps the amount of times you buy the same song from different compilations/remixes/album versions etc?

Doesn't iTunes employ a cloud like Amazon does? In which case you don't need to buy the song again. You can however download it more than once.

I bet there's a way you could clear the purchase memory thing if you know how too!

Doesn't iTunes employ a cloud like Amazon does? In which case you don't need to buy the song again. You can however download it more than once.

I bet there's a way you could clear the purchase memory thing if you know how too!

Apple has a cloud yes (iCloud) and what you're talking about is iTunes Match I think.

I see streaming has already made a hash of things. My streams don't count however since I don't have a subscription. Is that right?

I see streaming has already made a hash of things. My streams don't count however since I don't have a subscription. Is that right?

 

I assume you meant *paid* subscription?

 

In any case, streams *do* count, even if you don't have a monthly sub, as the adverts fund the royalties to the artists.

I assume you meant *paid* subscription?

 

In any case, streams *do* count, even if you don't have a monthly sub, as the adverts fund the royalties to the artists.

 

Yes I did mean paid. So I'm influencing the chart without actually spending any money.

Yes I did mean paid. So I'm influencing the chart without actually spending any money.

 

That's the only reason I opened a Spotify a/c last week... ;)

Yes I did mean paid. So I'm influencing the chart without actually spending any money.

 

 

Yes, the advertisers are paying for your song listen because you are exposed to their campaigns and you get 1/10th of the say of someone who buys the song

 

I hope this gives the Rock chart a shot in the arm, dear me we need new stuff in there.

Edited July 8, 201411 yr by Paramore

Yes I did mean paid. So I'm influencing the chart without actually spending any money.

 

Not exactly true. Even if you pay the subscription you haven't paid for your music. You have simply rented the music from the rental company (IE: Spotify). The rental company then pays the fees to those supplying the music. If you haven't paid again you have rented the music, but this time you indirectly pay for the music the next time you buy a product that has been advertised. This will be on any of the products or services you hear or see on the website or service provider of the streaming site. Though many of the products and services are linked to other forms of advertisements, such as TV and Radio. Thus you might well already indirectly paying for these anyway. In other words you and lots of other people just started paying extra for something they didn't either know or even want!

 

And due to the restrictions you need to stream the same record at least 70 times, by you and then get a friend to stream it 30 times by them. Or you could go 50/50 each!

Edited July 8, 201411 yr by Graham A

And due to the restrictions you need to stream the same record at least 70 times, by you and then get a friend to stream it 30 times by them. Or you could go 50/50 each!

 

True, the above limits you to the equivalent of 0.7 sales a week, but once you extend that to 2 weeks or more, it totals up to more than one download sale - whereas you're only ever going to download a track *once*.

True, the above limits you to the equivalent of 0.7 sales a week, but once you extend that to 2 weeks or more, it totals up to more than one download sale - whereas you're only ever going to download a track *once*.

 

But as far as the chart is concerned you are reset back to 70 the following week, so you can NEVER contribute to the chart on your own. Plus the amount that many of these streaming sites give back is often a lot smaller that what an artists would get from a 99p download. Now if you were to listen to a record say about 5,000 times a week, you might indeed pay for that single download. The disadvantage is that you would have to have unlimited broadband or whatever else you would need not to run your player etc, plus the time to listen to the track. If the track was about 3.30 that would only mean around 16 plays per hour. If you factor in work/school time it doesn't leave you a lot of hours to play it 5,000 times! Plus if you are paying for the streaming, you have to take that cost off. Which probably means you would save money buying the download!

True, the above limits you to the equivalent of 0.7 sales a week, but once you extend that to 2 weeks or more, it totals up to more than one download sale - whereas you're only ever going to download a track *once*.

 

I won Deezer and Spotify Premium accounts this year, so if I really wanted to, I could give a song 1.4 sales a week. That's almost 6 sales a month. I really wouldn't be arsed though.

YouTube announces new music subscription service set to rival Spotify: Wonder if this means YouTube will get counted towards the official chart :unsure: Not sure if it should as it's not audio-only.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30022550

 

Google's YouTube is starting a subscription service that allows users to stream ad-free music videos and to download them for offline use.

 

The £9.99 monthly fee for Music Key also provides membership to Google Play All Access, the firm's existing "all-you-can-eat" song download facility.

 

It is set to pose a challenge to Spotify, Rdio, Beats Music and other audio-only "unlimited" music services.

 

The launch had been delayed by a dispute with independent labels.

 

However, Google said it had now signed deals with hundreds of indies worldwide.

 

That has enabled it to include tracks from artists including Billy Bragg, who had previously said YouTube was trying to "strongarm" labels into agreeing to "low rates" by threatening to block their material altogether if they did not take part.

 

Billy Bragg

Billy Bragg had been critical of YouTube's negotiating tactics

He told the BBC his music had been included as part of an agreement signed by Merlin - which represents indie labels - but that he had not been informed about the details.

 

The BBC understands that the terms of the deal state that the more plays a video has, the bigger the share of the subscription pool its publisher receives.

 

YouTube Music Key

Subscribers can download complete albums, suggested playlists and personal mixes for offline playback

Brad Nevin, chief executive of The Orchard group of indie labels, said he thought the deal struck was both fair and "a phenomenal opportunity".

 

Digital habits

Android devices will be first to be able to save clips, followed by Apple's phones and tablets, but the facility will not extend to PCs yet.

 

The mobile devices will also be able to continue playing music in the background when they switch to other programs.

 

In addition to album tracks, Music Key offers downloads of concert recordings, remixes, "unreleased" rarities and cover versions recorded by others.

 

YouTube describes itself as "the biggest music service on the planet", but Google Play is thought to lag far behind Spotify's 12.5 million paying subscribers.

 

One expert said the new offer might tempt a number to jump ship.

 

"If you are someone who only listens to Spotify and doesn't listen to YouTube, this won't be a good enough reason to switch," said James McQuivey, principal analyst at the Forrester Research consultancy.

 

"There is a certain comfort in the well-established digital habits that people already have.

 

Spotify

Spotify offers offline music downloads to PCs and mobiles but does not include videos

"But if you - as many people do - listen to both Spotify and use YouTube for music, then this is genuinely a reason to switch, because you not only have all the unlimited music but also the ability to move from audio to video, which is a very compelling experience."

 

Those unwilling to pay can still access a new Music home page on YouTube's apps and web service, which:

 

Makes it easier to find and play albums from beginning to end. The album's cover is displayed for songs without a video clip

Can put together a playlist of all an artist's available songs

Provides next, previous, shuffle and repeat buttons, to help users switch between songs

Highlights trending songs and recommendations based on the user's previous activity

YouTube announces new music subscription service set to rival Spotify: Wonder if this means YouTube will get counted towards the official chart :unsure: Not sure if it should as it's not audio-only.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30022550

 

God I hope not. :(

How exactly is that any different from what YouTube already is? Apart from being 'ad-free', but all you need is a free and perfectly legal adblocker to get the same effect. I don't see why anyone would pay money for that.

Yes! YouTube will be the only thing I would have count to the chart, as I do not stream/buy music other than YT :D