June 27, 201411 yr Am I the only one here who got vidcapper's point? :lol: Chasing Cars re-enters the chart (whether we're talking top 75, top 100 or top 200) all the time, and streaming would probably help it even more. He doesn't expect it to suddenly jump into the top 40 next week because of streaming. He's not stupid. But when it does re-enter next time, I could imagine streaming would boost it 1 or 2 places more than it would get, since it's a song I imagine does well in streaming, even today. I reckon it is never more than a hundred or so sales shy of the T200, even when it isn't in it, so even 10,000 streams more than its competitiors, would be enough to push it back in...
June 27, 201411 yr Judging by the looks of this chart... http://www.officialcharts.com/archive-chart/_/45/2014-01-04/ ... Xmas songs are going to even more ubiquitous than normal this year - 21 of the top 40! :P Edited June 27, 201411 yr by Vidcapper
June 27, 201411 yr Looks like Mariah and The Pogues could go top 10 this year then, great news! And if we get another borefest like Skyscraper as the X Factor winner's single, then I'm all for one of them going to Xmas #1. And we could have Michael Actual Bublé in the top 40 every year with 'It's Beginning To Look A Lot Like Christmas' too *_*
June 27, 201411 yr Why 100 to 1? That streaming-to-download ratio investigated by Tim Ingham 27/06/14 A common question raised across the industry this week regarded the Official Charts Company’s confirmed ratio for its new Singles Chart. The UK organisation said that, in order to reflect the different weighting between streaming and purchasing, a track will have to be streamed 100 times to count as the equivalent of one download. According to Music Week analysis, this looks likely to have been based around the value of each format: if an average track download now costs 99p, then its trade price - i.e. the money that makes its way back to rights-holders - would be around 60p. Divided by 100, that creates an Official Chart per-stream value of 0.6p. The average per-stream rate announced by Spotify in December last year was $0.007, or around 0.4p. Bearing in mind the growth of the service - Spotify added a million UK users in the four months to March 2014 - suggests its own per-stream figure could now be close to 0.6p. According to sources, the average per-stream payout to UK rights-holders from ad-funded free streams is around 0.1p to 0.3p, whilst premium streams - paid for monthly by users on a subscription - equate to around 0.8p to 1p. In 2013, around 24% of all streams in the UK were made by premium subscribers, with the remaining 76% on ad-funded tiers. “We knew we had to find a logical conversion rate,” Official Charts Company CEO Martin Talbot told Music Week. “We looked at the methodology used in other markets where streaming is mature. The 100-1 ratio is a blended rate that covers both ad-funded and premium streams. You’re never going to get an exact or perfect conversion, but we wanted a system that was broadly accurate, as well as transparent and simple to understand.” Talbot said that, unlike some territories that monitor and adjust the streaming ratio monthly or quarterly to reflect market conditions, he preferred the idea of reviewing the weighting each year. Source: musicweek.com
June 27, 201411 yr Judging by the looks of this chart... http://www.officialcharts.com/archive-chart/_/45/2014-01-04/ ... Xmas songs are going to even more ubiquitous than normal this year - 21 of the top 40! :P Hopefully Leona might go top 10 again this year with "One More Sleep" if its streamed well!
June 27, 201411 yr Looks like Mariah and The Pogues could go top 10 this year then, great news! And if we get another borefest like Skyscraper as the X Factor winner's single, then I'm all for one of them going to Xmas #1. And we could have Michael Actual Bublé in the top 40 every year with 'It's Beginning To Look A Lot Like Christmas' too *_* How scary is it that there are ten Buble songs in the Xmas streaming T40...! :lol:
June 27, 201411 yr Surely that Buble Christmas album can't be milked forever :lol: It is interesting though that Christmas songs seem to be the exception for streaming rebounds; it tends to be easier for older songs to bounce back on sales (through some sort of promotion/campaign/whatnot) than streaming, but with streaming being more static, it'll be harder for things like that to make an impact. But the Christmas chart will be fun!
June 28, 201410 yr The new DJ Fresh song is on Ministry Of sound label right, will be interesting to see how that song's chart position is affected by it not being on streaming sites
June 29, 201410 yr There are lots of older songs in the positions between 100-200 in the official chart, so if Chasing Cars move up from 134 to 131 is it something special? If it would move back into the top 75 would be more interesting but I don't think it will because of streaming personally. This. The biggest change will be that songs that refuse to die even now (Let It Go, Happy, Blurred Lines) won't die in the near future either :P I predict Happy will be top 75 for a year from now at least (not necessarily consecutively) When streams are added it means that chart will reflect people's listening habits a bit more than their buying habits which some people might think is not right. I think it's just natural development as we finally have tools to measure this. I don't see how a chart where an Elvis Presley re-release bought by 16 thousand people is a #1 is better than the chart we will get next week. Edited June 29, 201410 yr by SKOB
June 29, 201410 yr Not me - I'm quite happy to have music that I can retain permanently on my iPod! I just had a change of heart - it suddenly occurred to me that I would be getting the advertisers to pay to get my favourite music into the charts :lol: , so I just signed up for a free a/c. :)
June 29, 201410 yr Is it definite that people who have the free Spotify service will have streams counted towards the chart?
June 29, 201410 yr Is it definite that people who have the free Spotify service will have streams counted towards the chart? From : http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/s...d-to-know-3109/ What streams are now contributing to the Official Singles Chart? The streams which will count are on-demand premium (ie; paid for within a subscription) and ad-funded (ie free to the user, but with royalties paid through advertising) delivered by services such as Spotify, Deezer, Napster, O2 Tracks (Musicqubed), rara, Music Unlimited and Xbox Music.
June 29, 201410 yr I hate that the OCC keep saying "services such as...". I don't understand why we can't have a definitive list. Is this for singles only or will they count towards album 'sales' as well?
June 29, 201410 yr I hate that the OCC keep saying "services such as...". I don't understand why we can't have a definitive list. Is this for singles only or will they count towards album 'sales' as well? I'm guessing it won't be for albums, because people mostly not listen to a whole album, just some songs from an album. I can't really imagine that users listen to a full album frequently so it could be counted towards the album charts.
June 29, 201410 yr I hate that the OCC keep saying "services such as...". I don't understand why we can't have a definitive list. Is this for singles only or will they count towards album 'sales' as well? Streams of albums will count as "sales" for each individual track. The albums chart remains sales only.
June 29, 201410 yr I'm just wondering those 5 Seconds Of Summer cherry picked tracks, might just filter through the bottom half of the official top 40 with streaming sales added, hopefully they start falling mid week.
June 29, 201410 yr I don't think streaming will count towards the albums chart anytime soon, if ever. Think of it this way, if one song from an album gets tons of streams and the other tracks don't get much, the album will still chart highly on the chart because of that one song. I think this is how the Spotify album chart works anyway, as I imagine it'll be difficult to count the number of times an album is listened to in full.
June 29, 201410 yr Have a few questions to ask-1How will they represent 'sales' now..will it be points instead.?,if not will we be able to know how many actual sales a song has..? 2)And will songs that arnt released yet but still able to stream be able to chart?,so they would debut low and then rise up the chart(so they wouldn't really debut at no. 1?. 3)And can record companies hold off putting their songs for streaming until release week?
June 29, 201410 yr Have a few questions to ask-1How will they represent 'sales' now..will it be points instead.?,if not will we be able to know how many actual sales a song has..? 2)And will songs that arnt released yet but still able to stream be able to chart?,so they would debut low and then rise up the chart(so they wouldn't really debut at no. 1?. 3)And can record companies hold off putting their songs for streaming until release week? 1) 100 streams = 1 sale 2) no idea 3) I'm sure they can, for example Ministry of sounds didn't allow their artists to be put on the streaming sites until now. I think lots of songs aren't on streaming sites because it wasn't reelased yet as a single.
June 29, 201410 yr From : http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/s...d-to-know-3109/ What streams are now contributing to the Official Singles Chart? The streams which will count are on-demand premium (ie; paid for within a subscription) and ad-funded (ie free to the user, but with royalties paid through advertising) delivered by services such as Spotify, Deezer, Napster, O2 Tracks (Musicqubed), rara, Music Unlimited and Xbox Music. Or in other words the charts will be fixed by advertisers pushing certain records (b). Ridiculous. That's the equivalent of a record company giving away free downloads and having them count towards the chart in order to look as if it's a success....
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