Unfortunately, the #76-100 positions in the 90s and early 00s differ to those used in the chart runs in the Chart Histories thread on UKMIX: http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=13100

 

So now I have to go through my Madonna/Kylie chart runs in their respective AFs and make changes, and also assume the #101-200 from this period are wrong too. :(

 

I wonder why these charts have been changed in retrospect? Has a reason been given (sorry, I've only skimmed this thread). ChartWatch booklets (from http://zobbel.de/ ) is where I've sourced a lot of 76-200 chart run positions from, and they're compiled from the charts listed at the time.

 

For instance 'Wannabe' by the Spice Girls is said to have fallen 70-90 according Chartwatch*, but 70-out in the new OCC published charts. Strange...

* 1997 booklet not actually accessible as a pdf on that site, but I have the physical booklet and it says 70-90

 

I feel like I'd rather stick with what the original charts from these years stated, rather than the "new" ones.

I don't know for sure, but has certain exclusion criteria used in the lower positions at the time been reversed in the ones on the OCC site now?

Also did the RR and RM versions ever vary back in the day? If so the OCC may have used the other magazine to what Chartwatch used.

I don't know for sure, but has certain exclusion criteria used in the lower positions at the time been reversed in the ones on the OCC site now?

Also did the RR and RM versions ever vary back in the day? If so the OCC may have used the other magazine to what Chartwatch used.

They said no:

 

http://www.officialcharts.com/who-we-are/h...t-our-database/

It is also worth noting that, for the purposes of this database, we are generally choosing to take the charts which were available to the industry - and (as the industry did at the time) ignoring the titles which were "starred out" in the late Eighties and early Nineties. In this period (spanning the end of the Gallup era and beginning of the Millward Brown era), titles outside of the Singles Top 75 which had "fallen for two consecutive weeks and by more than 20% in the last week" (as the chart rules stipulated) were not given a chart position. We have decided to respect this chart rule.

They said no:

 

http://www.officialcharts.com/who-we-are/h...t-our-database/

 

I think Dan meant the other way round (i.e. exclusion criteria has been used by the OCC when it wasn't originally, which would explain why that Spice Girls song originally fell 70-90 but is now listed as 70-out).

I think Dan meant the other way round (i.e. exclusion criteria has been used by the OCC when it wasn't originally, which would explain why that Spice Girls song originally fell 70-90 but is now listed as 70-out).

Oh right, I didn't think of that.

I have noticed a full physical singles top 100 on there too. How many does one need to sell to make #1 on there?

 

More disturbingly, #82 is 'Candle in the Wind' Diana version!

I noticed last night that they now list climbs from outside the T100 as 'New' or Re-Entries', which is a bit of a nuisance, as it means they may accidentally get added twice to my lists.

I wonder why these charts have been changed in retrospect? Has a reason been given (sorry, I've only skimmed this thread). ChartWatch booklets (from http://zobbel.de/ ) is where I've sourced a lot of 76-200 chart run positions from, and they're compiled from the charts listed at the time.

 

For instance 'Wannabe' by the Spice Girls is said to have fallen 70-90 according Chartwatch*, but 70-out in the new OCC published charts. Strange...

* 1997 booklet not actually accessible as a pdf on that site, but I have the physical booklet and it says 70-90

 

I feel like I'd rather stick with what the original charts from these years stated, rather than the "new" ones.

The top 200 charts that Chartwatch have used were sourced from a publication called Hit Music. The charts that appeared in Hit Music were unofficial because the publication used to add back in to the charts records which had been "starred out" of the official Top 200 chart. Hit Music was a sister publication of Music Week and therefore the publisher had direct access to the weekly CIN (now OCC) sales reports which for the Singles chart not only listed the Top 200 with sales but which also included these "starred out" titles, along with sales of those titles. It was then easy enough to reinsert the starred out records into the chart.

 

The charts that appeared in Hit Music were more accurate in that the Singles chart was a genuine list of the top 200 best sellers but they had no official status even though the official version of the chart below number 75 wasn't available outside of industry circles.

 

In the week when 'Wannabe' by the Spice Girls was at number 90 on the Hit Music version of the chart it was one of a large number of records which were starred out of the official CIN top 100 / 200. The number 100 record in the OCC (official) version of the chart is 'Help Yourself' by Tony Ferrino (down from number 92) while in the Hit Music version of the chart the record was at number 138, down from number 114. Sometimes upwards of 100 records could be starred out of the full top 200.

I really like the new archives. I am currently looking at the old Scottish Singles Chart (which go as far back as 1994!!). Their chart really quite different to the rest of the UK in the 90s especially (quite a few #1s are different).

 

Also is anyone having issues with the official chart website, it won't even let me know or says I am forbidden :blink:

I really like the new archives. I am currently looking at the old Scottish Singles Chart (which go as far back as 1994!!). Their chart really quite different to the rest of the UK in the 90s especially (quite a few #1s are different).

 

Also is anyone having issues with the official chart website, it won't even let me know or says I am forbidden :blink:

That happened to me a few times. I think it's the site trying to go to the old site :lol:

I'd suggest refreshing the page, restarting the browser etc. or if you haven't tried already to try from the home page if you're using an old link ;)

Also is anyone having issues with the official chart website, it won't even let me know or says I am forbidden :blink:

 

That happened to me a few times, you are probably clicking the old link on your bookmarks, delete it and go back to the OCC site and re-add it. The problem is fixed.

The top 200 charts that Chartwatch have used were sourced from a publication called Hit Music. The charts that appeared in Hit Music were unofficial because the publication used to add back in to the charts records which had been "starred out" of the official Top 200 chart. Hit Music was a sister publication of Music Week and therefore the publisher had direct access to the weekly CIN (now OCC) sales reports which for the Singles chart not only listed the Top 200 with sales but which also included these "starred out" titles, along with sales of those titles. It was then easy enough to reinsert the starred out records into the chart.

 

The charts that appeared in Hit Music were more accurate in that the Singles chart was a genuine list of the top 200 best sellers but they had no official status even though the official version of the chart below number 75 wasn't available outside of industry circles.

 

In the week when 'Wannabe' by the Spice Girls was at number 90 on the Hit Music version of the chart it was one of a large number of records which were starred out of the official CIN top 100 / 200. The number 100 record in the OCC (official) version of the chart is 'Help Yourself' by Tony Ferrino (down from number 92) while in the Hit Music version of the chart the record was at number 138, down from number 114. Sometimes upwards of 100 records could be starred out of the full top 200.

 

That's interesting to know, thanks for taking the time to explain! A bit of a shame that the Top 200 runs compiled from those years, while technically correct in terms of sales, aren't actually official. :(

 

It seems Chartwatch only started to use the OCC data from 2001. I did know about the "76-200 starred out" rule before, but prior to now I had assumed it only took place from 2001 to 2004.

 

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On a separate note, I really hope the OCC add the missing Physical charts soon, all of the charts from May to September 2005 are missing. [ http://www.officialcharts.com/charts/physi...hart/20050501/1 shows 10th Sep instead of 1st May]

I really like the new archives. I am currently looking at the old Scottish Singles Chart (which go as far back as 1994!!). Their chart really quite different to the rest of the UK in the 90s especially (quite a few #1s are different).

 

Yeah, these are incredible. Scotland was much much bigger on happy hardcore and bouncy techno - acts like QFX, Q-Tex, Ultra Sonic and Scooter appear in the top 10 all the time in the mid 1990s. QFX even got a number 1 hit with Freedom over there when in the official UK chart it didn't even go top 20.

 

A few more things I've noticed in the 1990s Scottish charts:

 

* N Trance's 'Set You Free' spends six, agonising weeks at number 2, but still doesn't quite get there - the Rednex/Celine Dion double bill was too strong for them even in Scotland :( 'Common People' also stalled at #2 over there.

* 'Roll With It' actually won the Battle of Britpop in Scotland, but Country House overtook it at #1 the following week!

* Robert Miles's 'Children' was a deserved massive multi-week #1

* The 1995 Christmas number 1 was Mike Flowers Pops :lol: Although Michael Jackson still got lots of weeks at #1 there

* Ice MC's 'Think About The Way' went top 5 in 1996

* The Scottish Euro 96 song by Rod Stewart peaks at #2, falls down the chart quickly and then 'Three Lions' shoots up into the top 10 from #23 once Scotland leave the competition and England reach the semi finals

* Sash actually hit #1 in Scotland twice - 'Ecuador' and 'Adelante'!

* DJ Sakin's 'Protect Your Mind' was #1 in 1999 the week after Blondie's Maria - I love 'Maria' but Protect Your Mind is an utter anthem!

* System F's 'Out of the Blue' went top 10 in 1999 :cheer:

* BETTER OFF ALONE WAS A NUMBER 1 FOR TWO WEEKS :cheer: :cheer:

* And just slightly cheating by going into 2000 here, but DELERIUM's 'SILENCE' WAS A NUMBER 1 TOO :cheer: :cheer:

 

It's great to see lots of hits do so much better up there - some of them always seemed a bit odd how low they were in the official chart, but it makes sense if they were selling massive in the north but not as much in the more populated south!

I think Dannii tended to chart higher in Scotland :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :lol:

Yeah, these are incredible. Scotland was much much bigger on happy hardcore and bouncy techno - acts like QFX, Q-Tex, Ultra Sonic and Scooter appear in the top 10 all the time in the mid 1990s. QFX even got a number 1 hit with Freedom over there when in the official UK chart it didn't even go top 20.

 

A few more things I've noticed in the 1990s Scottish charts:

 

* N Trance's 'Set You Free' spends six, agonising weeks at number 2, but still doesn't quite get there - the Rednex/Celine Dion double bill was too strong for them even in Scotland :( 'Common People' also stalled at #2 over there.

* 'Roll With It' actually won the Battle of Britpop in Scotland, but Country House overtook it at #1 the following week!

* Robert Miles's 'Children' was a deserved massive multi-week #1

* The 1995 Christmas number 1 was Mike Flowers Pops :lol: Although Michael Jackson still got lots of weeks at #1 there

* Ice MC's 'Think About The Way' went top 5 in 1996

* The Scottish Euro 96 song by Rod Stewart peaks at #2, falls down the chart quickly and then 'Three Lions' shoots up into the top 10 from #23 once Scotland leave the competition and England reach the semi finals

* Sash actually hit #1 in Scotland twice - 'Ecuador' and 'Adelante'!

* DJ Sakin's 'Protect Your Mind' was #1 in 1999 the week after Blondie's Maria - I love 'Maria' but Protect Your Mind is an utter anthem!

* System F's 'Out of the Blue' went top 10 in 1999 :cheer:

* BETTER OFF ALONE WAS A NUMBER 1 FOR TWO WEEKS :cheer: :cheer:

* And just slightly cheating by going into 2000 here, but DELERIUM's 'SILENCE' WAS A NUMBER 1 TOO :cheer: :cheer:

 

It's great to see lots of hits do so much better up there - some of them always seemed a bit odd how low they were in the official chart, but it makes sense if they were selling massive in the north but not as much in the more populated south!

 

Interesting! I'm going to have to go through these charts myself as I'll be interested to see how Eurodance did in Scotland. I see Real McCoy's Another Night went to #1. I believe The Time Frequency (another Scottish dance act) had several #1s.

* The 1995 Christmas number 1 was Mike Flowers Pops :lol: Although Michael Jackson still got lots of weeks at #1 there

 

And the 1997 Christmas number 1 was The Teletubbies!

 

I have to say though I've paged through from Feb 1994 (the first Scottish chart) to Dec 1997, and anything that was distributed by Virgin seem far more likely to bomb in Scotland for some reason, even the Spice Girls in this particular xmas week.

^ That's interesting! So glad that wasn't the case for 'Too Much' in the UK as a whole, that would have been rather embarrassing for them. I see it managed to climb up to #1 the following week, at least.

 

Random mention for 2001:

 

Janet Jackson All For You was at #11 in Scotland in the week it entered at #3 in the UK! :o Another Virgin records casualty, seemingly (although incidentally Emma Bunton's 'What Took You So Long?' also spent 2 weeks at #1 in Scotland and that was released on Virgin too - maybe anything Spice related was an exception to the rule?

I've been looking at the Scottish charts further, and have compiled a list of those UK toppers that missed number one in Scotland, and those Scottish toppers that did not do so in the UK as a whole. These lists so far cover the period w/e 27th February 1994 to w/e 1st January 2000, although there is a large number of weeks missing in April-July 1994, and one or two missing thereafter, including the week in Nov 1999 when Geri had a UK number one, so this list may not be 100% complete and accurate.

 

Songs that missed the top spot in Scotland

1994 - ?Prince ?Stiltskin ?Manchester United FC

- Baby D - Let Me Be Your Fantasy

1995 - Livin' Joy - Dreamer

- Michael Jackson - You Are Not Alone

- Shaggy - Boombastic

1996 - The Prodigy - Firestarter

- Mark Morrison - Return Of The Mack

- George Michael - Fastlove

- Baddiel and Skinner and The Lightning Seeds - Three Lions

- Gary Barlow - Forever Love

- The Fugees - Ready Or Not

- The Chemical Brothers - Setting Sun

- Peter Andre - I Feel You

1997 - Tori Amos - Professional Widow (It's Gotta Be Big)

- White Town - Your Woman

- LLCoolJ - Ain't Nobody

- The Chemical Brothers - Block Rockin' Beats

- R Kelly - I Believe I Can Fly

- Michael Jackson - Blood On The Dancefloor

- Gary Barlow - Love Won't Wait

1998 - Usher - You Make Me Wanna

- All Saints - Under The Bridge/Lady Marmalade

- Baddiel And Skinner And The Lightning Seeds - 3 Lions 98

- Billie - Because We Want To

- Another Level - Freak Me

- The Manic Street Preachers - If You Tolerate This Your Children Will Be Next

- All Saints - Bootie Call

- Melanie B and Missy 'Misdemeanour' Elliott - I Want You Back

- Spacedust - Gym And Tonic

1999 - Armand Van Helden - You Don't Know Me

- Lenny Kravitz - Fly Away

- B*Witched - Blame It On The Weatherman

- Westlife - Swear It Again

- Shanks & Bigfoot - Sweet Like Chocolate

- Ricky Martin - Livin' La Vida Loca

- Westlife - If I Let You Go

- Christina Aguilera - Genie In A Bottle

- Westlife - Flying Without Wings

 

 

Songs that only hit the top spot in Scotland

1994 - MC Sar and The Real McCoy - Another Night

- The Stone Roses - Love Spreads

1995 - U2 - Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me

- Oasis - Roll With It

- The Rembrandts - I'll Be There For You

- N-Trance ft Ricardo Da Force - Stayin' Alive

- Meat Loaf - I'd Lie For You (And That's The Truth)

- The Beatles - Free As A Bird

- Mike Flowers Pops - Wonderwall

1996 - Robert Miles - Children

- Mark Snow - The X Files

- Robbie Williams - Freedom

- The Charlatans - One To Another

- Robert Miles ft Maria Nayler - One & One

1997 - QFX - Freedom 2

- Texas - Say What You Want

- No Mercy - Where Do You Go

- The Charlatans - North Country Boy

- DJ Quicksilver - Bellissima

- Blur - Song 2

- Robbie Williams - Old Before I Die

- 911 - Bodyshakin'

- The Seahorses - Love Is The Law

- The Cardigans - Lovefool

- The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony

- Sash! ft Rodriguez - Ecuador

- Boyzone - Picture Of You

- Chumbawumba - Tubthumping

1998 - Madonna - Ray Of Light

- Del Amitri - Don't Come Home Too Soon

- Dario G - Carnaval De Paris

- 911 - More Than A Woman

1999 - DJ Sakin & Friends - Protect Your Mind (For The Love Of A...)

- Texas - In Our Lifetime

- The Offspring - Why Don't You Get A Job?

- Shania Twain - That Don't Impress Me Much

- Steps - Loves Got A Hold Of My Heart

- Five - If Ya Gettin' Down

- Alice Deejay - Better Off Alone

- Ann Lee - 2 Times

- The Vengaboys - Kiss (When The Sun Don't Shine)

 

I would seem that Scotland's boyband of choice was 911, when the rest of the UK was Westlife mad! Westlife having to wait until their 4th single to get a Scottish number one!

Edited March 2, 201510 yr by DanChartFan

Thanks for that, it's quite interesting to see which songs were No. 1 only in Scotland and vice versa!

The lists for 2000 to 2002 are as follow:

 

Non-toppers in Scotland

2000 - Gabrielle - Rise

- Chicane ft Bryan Adams - Don't Give Up

- Craig David - Fill Me In

- Oxide & Neutrino - Bound 4 Da Reload (Casualty) [New at 28 in Scotland the week it was a new 1 in the UK overall!]

- Five & Queen - We Will Rock You

- Craig David - 7 Days

- Melanie C - I Turn To You

- Madonna - Music

- All Saints - Black Coffee

- Eminem - Same Old Brand New You

- Destinys Child - Independent Woman

2001 - Jennifer Lopez - Love Don't Cost A Thing

- DJ Pied Piper and the MCs - Do You Real Like It?

- Roger Sanchez - Another Chance

- Robbie Williams - Eternity/Road To Mandalay

- So Solid Crew - 21 Seconds

- Blue - Too Close

2002 - Aaliyah - More Than A Woman

- Liberty X - Just A Little

- Blazin' Squad - Crossroads

- Daniel Bedingfield - If You're Not The One

- Eminem - Lose Yourself

 

Scotland-only toppers

2000 - REM - The Great Beyond

- Sash! - Adelante

- The Bloodhound Gang - The Bad Touch

- Travis - Coming Around

- Delerium ft Sarah McLachlan - Silence

2001 - Fragma ft Maria Rubia - Everytime You Need Me

- Ronan Keating - Lovin' Each Day

- Wheatus - A Little Respect

- Ian Van Dahl - Castles In The Sky

- Sophie Ellis-Bextor - Take Me Home

- Uncle Kracker - Follow Me

- Hermes House Band - Country Roads

2002 - DJ Aligator Project - The Whistle Song (Blow My Whistle Bitch)

- Ronan Keating ft Lulu - We've Got Tonight

- The Cheeky Girls - The Cheeky Song (Touch My Bum)

 

Interestingly Puretones still had their infamous 75 to 2 climb, due to the mess up with the release date, but here get beaten to the top spot by a different record. Also Las Ketchup got to the top spot twice in Scotland. Ronan Keating does considerably better in Scotland than the UK overall. And most interestingly Scotland prefers the Cheeky Girls to Eminem in late 2002 chart!!