Nice theory - just one problem : Polling organisations are not party political, so would have no reason to favour either party - and we've already discussed the fact that incorrect polls do *no-one* any good.

 

Yes they do.

 

If they didn't, as I told you BEFORE, in the corrupt Dem Primamary they wouldn't have commissioned FAKE POLLS. They cause something called the BANDWAGON EFFECT which is a real political shift caused by biased Establishment polling. Look at Michigan.

Yes they do.

 

If they didn't, as I told you BEFORE, in the corrupt Dem Primamary they wouldn't have commissioned FAKE POLLS. They cause something called the BANDWAGON EFFECT which is a real political shift caused by biased Establishment polling. Look at Michigan.

 

You are incorrigible!

 

Ignoring the points again I see.

 

Just like Socialist Portugal, quasi-socialist Europe/ Scandinavia.

Bit like the Lib Dems and Brexit.

Are you seriously suggesting the two policies are in any way of equal significance to the future of this country?

Are you seriously suggesting the two policies are in any way of equal significance to the future of this country?

 

I'm not, but the Liberal Democrats have spent the past 18 months talking about nothing else. How about some ideas about the ACTUAL current problems facing this country (not helped by the 5 years spent in coalition) that led to the result that we got in that referendum? I didn't like the result either but they are becoming like UKIP - a 1 policy party with absolutely nothing else to say.

I'm not, but the Liberal Democrats have spent the past 18 months talking about nothing else. How about some ideas about the ACTUAL current problems facing this country (not helped by the 5 years spent in coalition) that led to the result that we got in that referendum? I didn't like the result either but they are becoming like UKIP - a 1 policy party with absolutely nothing else to say.

It's hard enough for the Lib Dems to get their voice heard about anything at the moment. If they announced new policies on anything else, the chances of getting any coverage at all are almost zero.

Bit like the Lib Dems and Brexit.

 

So glad you, like the Labour Party, show no concerns that it's all going to go tits up then....

I'm not, but the Liberal Democrats have spent the past 18 months talking about nothing else. How about some ideas about the ACTUAL current problems facing this country (not helped by the 5 years spent in coalition) that led to the result that we got in that referendum? I didn't like the result either but they are becoming like UKIP - a 1 policy party with absolutely nothing else to say.

 

As opposed to the Labour Party who say NOTHING about Brexit. Apart from Chuka Umunna and a couple of others, there is a deathly silence about what the party actually wants and is campaigning for. This is the future of the country and Corbyn has sat on his fat lazy arse since the day he won the leadership, when it comes to Brexit, trusting it will all go tits up so he can mop up at the ballot box. That is the policy. The Lib Dem stance is Shakespeare compared to a Janet & John book. Feel free to google the reference...

 

The current problems facing this country were started by the Banking crisis. All else followed that. That was a Labour Party government, and Labour policies, and the banks got away Scot-free helped by a Labour Gov and they still owe shitloads of cash to the taxpayer. The Coalition was the government dealing with the aftermath, a Tory party which pretty much held the same policies as the Labour Party in economic terms both outbidding one another on how big the cuts should be.

 

None of the policies that annoyed Labour activists so were Libdem policies, and those that were were hardly damaging to economy of the country. No, they were all the hard work of the 2 main parties.

 

This is all history, but I feel it's right to drop a reminder in when blatant rewriting (left or right) attempts are made.

So glad you, like the Labour Party, show no concerns that it's all going to go tits up then....

 

What are you talking about Keir Starmer has been fighting tooth and nail in making sure DD doesn't do what he likes in the negotiations opposing where he needs too and accepting when they are right and at the same time respecting the No vote which is what the referendum result was and ALOT of their voters have sympathy with.

As opposed to the Labour Party who say NOTHING about Brexit. Apart from Chuka Umunna and a couple of others, there is a deathly silence about what the party actually wants and is campaigning for. This is the future of the country and Corbyn has sat on his fat lazy arse since the day he won the leadership, when it comes to Brexit, trusting it will all go tits up so he can mop up at the ballot box. That is the policy. The Lib Dem stance is Shakespeare compared to a Janet & John book. Feel free to google the reference...

 

The current problems facing this country were started by the Banking crisis. All else followed that. That was a Labour Party government, and Labour policies, and the banks got away Scot-free helped by a Labour Gov and they still owe shitloads of cash to the taxpayer. The Coalition was the government dealing with the aftermath, a Tory party which pretty much held the same policies as the Labour Party in economic terms both outbidding one another on how big the cuts should be.

 

None of the policies that annoyed Labour activists so were Libdem policies, and those that were were hardly damaging to economy of the country. No, they were all the hard work of the 2 main parties.

 

This is all history, but I feel it's right to drop a reminder in when blatant rewriting (left or right) attempts are made.

 

It is important to remember that you can imprint a left or right view on events when in reality the labour government followed by a Tory government all governed from the centre with all these policies.

 

 

That's why we need to shake off the ageing late stage neoliberal capitalism like a moth-bitten robe and adopt socialist, left of centre policies. Neoliberalism has created a divided unequal society. No to New Labour and no to Tories.

So glad you, like the Labour Party, show no concerns that it's all going to go tits up then....

 

The complete opposite actually. I don't even pretend to know how the process is going to go but I do share your concerns, particularly given the current lot in charge of negotiations from our side, however...

 

...I think that the arguments/debate should be framed around policy once we have left the EU rather than this constant battle about whether it was the right thing to do. Dramatic shifts in policy to greater investment in the young to up skill them for the jobs that a green technology revolution will present over the next decade, investing further in our thriving tech sector in Cambridge/surrounding area, thinking about infrastructure investment programme that helps to spread out high skilled jobs across the UK rather than concentrate them all in London and SE, a huge social housing revolution, a land value tax (yes, a Lib Dem idea I believe) to bring about a fairer and more progressive society. Big ideas intended to heal the growing divides in our society that have been accelerating since the financial crisis in 2008 under yes, a Labour government but not reversed under a Con/Lib coalition in the following decade.

 

Simon made exactly the point that the Lib Dems have little airtime now, and using up all of that airtime to go on about how we should reverse Brexit is quite literally strangling the party of anything else they might want to say.

 

I am sad that we are leaving the EU but it only took me about a week to get over it because I reasoned that there are far more pressing concerns and issues that need to be addressed NOW. Clinging on to the idea of a second national take it or leave it referendum on a deal that would be so complex that even those highly trained civil servants would struggle to understand the main arguments within a short frame of time, let alone you or I or the rest of the general public, is not helpful. The way forward is a middle way that brings together the majority of people, yes it won't please everyone but we're in this mess now..

Yeh that's one of my pet hates of the Lib Dems at present he fact they are still going on about a second referendum. I didn't want a referendum at all as it's a ridiculous way to decide such a complex question but it's happened!

The Lib Dems don't get to choose the subjects on which they get air time. If a spokesman makes an announcement on policy they can't force the broadcasters to report it. If Vince Cable (or anyone else) is interviewed, they don't get to choose the questions. All too often they don't even get the chance to comment on the EU farrago despite having a different policy on the issue than either Labour (whatever their policy may be) or the Tories.

Yeh that's one of my pet hates of the Lib Dems at present he fact they are still going on about a second referendum. I didn't want a referendum at all as it's a ridiculous way to decide such a complex question but it's happened!

It is indeed a terrible way to make such an important decision, but it may be the best way to reverse a decision made by a previous referendum.

But then it looks terrible as it's like saying you didn't answer correctly first time round so go again. Like what happened in Ireland 10 years ago. Only this time opinions are so polarised in England especially there could be actual violence or public disturbances if this scenario played out.

The Lib Dems don't get to choose the subjects on which they get air time. If a spokesman makes an announcement on policy they can't force the broadcasters to report it. If Vince Cable (or anyone else) is interviewed, they don't get to choose the questions. All too often they don't even get the chance to comment on the EU farrago despite having a different policy on the issue than either Labour (whatever their policy may be) or the Tories.

 

I agree but they have got themselves into this problem after losing all their seats in 2015!

But then it looks terrible as it's like saying you didn't answer correctly first time round so go again. Like what happened in Ireland 10 years ago. Only this time opinions are so polarised in England especially there could be actual violence or public disturbances if this scenario played out.

The point though is that the government would be saying "You told us you wanted to leave the EU. We have responded to that by negotiating a deal. Here's the deal - is it what you wanted or do you now think it would be better to remain in the EU?". After all, Boris Johnson used to support that approach.

Boris Johnson used to support a lot of things...

The point though is that the government would be saying "You told us you wanted to leave the EU. We have responded to that by negotiating a deal. Here's the deal - is it what you wanted or do you now think it would be better to remain in the EU?". After all, Boris Johnson used to support that approach.

 

Again it looks good in saying that but it would heighten tensions as accusations would be made its a way of stopping Brexit!