Maybe doing a Sandi-Thom style of video crying for the lack of radio support will get her some sympathy? :lol:

 

Totally agree. Her Radio 2 with C Evans morning show was great promo, having a laugh, singing live, Chris really sold the album for her...

 

but all this magic FM rubbish with her selecting songs and a few Kylie Christmas ones on a Sunday afternoon etc is not good enough......

 

but also she did herself no favours by not promoting new songs which radio could have given a go......

 

They thought releasing a lyric video of Only You and a cheap video of Every Days Like Christmas would sell the songs/album but without these being backed up heavily they never got noticed.......

They should've just pushed for Everyday's like Christmas in the UK and 100 degrees in Australia.

I think the promo strategy was right for the material. As no one single song was a stand-out they opted to showcase everything in the hopes that people would buy it for the full Christmas experience. And in Aus, they used their one key promo slot (X-Factor) wisely by featuring the Dannii duet. Promo was everywhere. Yes the videos were low budget but its a sign of the times. They would've had small funds and used them more for photography and jetting about the place.

 

The problem was the material.

 

When I first heard that Kylie was doing a Xmas album my response wasn't an eye roll. It makes sense that she would do this now - sales of her last album were low and recent collabs haven't gained traction. She needed a sure bet so why not marry her campness with Xmas? Unfortunately the song choices were just okay - not terrible, just okay. Kylie doesn't have the vocal chops to do anything special with standards so the only hope was in the arrangements and the new material. And there simply wasn't enough excitement on offer to make the public go "Wow - I need the Kylie album in my Xmas collection".

 

I also think she waited far too long to throw Dannii a bone and collaborate with her. They could've had a hit single years ago - maybe even a number one. (And yes, I do realise she doesn't need a number one to be validated - but lets face it, most of us want her to have one! And the music business is a commercial industry and without sales, it will diminish her future prospects somewhat.)

 

I think it's all a bit indicative of Kylie needing a new angle. A lot of people talk about Cher's 'Believe' as the moment Kylie (and Madonna) need to have. Of course lightning in a bottle doesn't just happen. However I think 'Believe' - apart from being a great song - worked because it had a maturity about it, an older woman singing about life about love. I hope she can find this kind of creative direction on her next endeavour.

 

 

I believe Kylie had the Cher (Believe) moment twice. Unfortunately, i cant see Kylie been so lucky to hit the jackpot three times. Spinning Around was a massive turning point for Kylie that said im back, Cant Get You Out Of My Head was a global smash hit single. In truth, the recent releases by Kylie are weak and i can understand why she is not attracting big sales. Kiss Me Once was such a let down, it was a weak album that had little to offer. Christmas Kylie has done well,was well promoted and her performances were fun, camp and very Kylie.

 

Kylie needs to focus on her next move and get her lead single spot on. Now more than ever she needs that lead single that is right for her and has appeal. That said, she has nothing to prove, but if she is to continue releasing music it should be good music. The recent collaborations to me were a waste of time, commercially they did nothing,they did not attract a new fan base and in my opinion very boring releases. At the moment Kylie seems to be jumping from one thing to another, instead i would rather see her focus solely on her next album and delivering a strong album.

Yeah, CGYOOMH is definitely her "Believe".

From what I can tell, 'Santa Baby' is now Kylie's 28th best selling song. Good chance it will pass 'Slow' next Christmas! :o

 

21 170,000 On a Night Like This

22 160,000 I Believe in You

23 160,000 2 Hearts

24 150,000 Step Back in Time

25 135,000 What Do I Have to Do

26 130,000 Slow

27 115,000 Red Blooded Woman

28 114,000 Santa Baby

29 105,000 Shocked

30 100,000 If You Were With Me Now

From what I can tell, 'Santa Baby' is now Kylie's 28th best selling song. Good chance it will pass 'Slow' next Christmas! :o

 

21 170,000 On a Night Like This

22 160,000 I Believe in You

23 160,000 2 Hearts

24 150,000 Step Back in Time

25 135,000 What Do I Have to Do

26 130,000 Slow

27 115,000 Red Blooded Woman

28 114,000 Santa Baby

29 105,000 Shocked

30 100,000 If You Were With Me Now

 

 

All of the above seemed far bigger hits than their sales suggest with the exception of If you were with me now. Santa baby based on its chart peak position is and has done wonderfully well.

Edited December 29, 20159 yr by pippa

Doesn't vidcapper's sales estimate for Santa Baby include streams though? All other sales data from the OCC doesn't include streams, so Santa Baby would actually be (much) further down the list.

Doesn't vidcapper's sales estimate for Santa Baby include streams though? All other sales data from the OCC doesn't include streams, so Santa Baby would actually be (much) further down the list.

 

True but Santa Baby, CGYOOMH, IBIY (because of the nationwide ad), and only her biggest or most recent hits like ATL/ GOMW/ ITB, are the only ones that have benefitted in large enough numbers to make a difference.....also none of the PWL songs can be streamed either.

'CGYOOMH' has 20k worth of streams (sales revealed as 1.18m shortly before it was certified 2x Platinum) and I think only 'Santa Baby' has more streams added to its sales total.

I believe Kylie had the Cher (Believe) moment twice. Unfortunately, i cant see Kylie been so lucky to hit the jackpot three times. Spinning Around was a massive turning point for Kylie that said im back, Cant Get You Out Of My Head was a global smash hit single. In truth, the recent releases by Kylie are weak and i can understand why she is not attracting big sales. Kiss Me Once was such a let down, it was a weak album that had little to offer. Christmas Kylie has done well,was well promoted and her performances were fun, camp and very Kylie.

 

Kylie needs to focus on her next move and get her lead single spot on. Now more than ever she needs that lead single that is right for her and has appeal. That said, she has nothing to prove, but if she is to continue releasing music it should be good music. The recent collaborations to me were a waste of time, commercially they did nothing,they did not attract a new fan base and in my opinion very boring releases. At the moment Kylie seems to be jumping from one thing to another, instead i would rather see her focus solely on her next album and delivering a strong album.

 

I agree Kylie is unlikely to have another major hit single unless its with a big collaborator like Calvin Harris. There are a number of factors related to this. Firstly, her age is a problem due to lack of radio support. The record label is also to blame. Kylie is still seen by some people as not being a credible artist in her own right. KMO was a weak album and didn't deserve to do well. Kylie Christmas was a lot stronger and contained some great renditions of old songs as well as a handful of new tracks which were also good. However, the promotion strategy appeared wrong and somewhat disjointed. Kylie should have focused on one or two strong potential singles rather than a handful of different tracks.

Edited December 30, 20159 yr by slowdown73

I believe Kylie had the Cher (Believe) moment twice. Unfortunately, i cant see Kylie been so lucky to hit the jackpot three times. Spinning Around was a massive turning point for Kylie that said im back, Cant Get You Out Of My Head was a global smash hit single. In truth, the recent releases by Kylie are weak and i can understand why she is not attracting big sales. Kiss Me Once was such a let down, it was a weak album that had little to offer. Christmas Kylie has done well,was well promoted and her performances were fun, camp and very Kylie.

 

Kylie needs to focus on her next move and get her lead single spot on. Now more than ever she needs that lead single that is right for her and has appeal. That said, she has nothing to prove, but if she is to continue releasing music it should be good music. The recent collaborations to me were a waste of time, commercially they did nothing,they did not attract a new fan base and in my opinion very boring releases. At the moment Kylie seems to be jumping from one thing to another, instead i would rather see her focus solely on her next album and delivering a strong album.

 

I totally agree with the bulk of what you've said except I don't think she's had a 'Believe' moment yet, which is of course entirely dependant on how you define such a thing!

 

Kylie was in her early 30s when she released CCYOOMH and Spinning Around, which was then - and now - still a very marketable age for a pop act. Cher was 50+ when she released 'Believe' which is what makes that a 'moment' in my book - she was defying the age barriers of the time, which still existed then as they do now. So I'd love to see Kylie break down that wall and I agree that she must focus on a strong single/album. Easier said than done, of course.

Good point on the age point Herbiehollywood, its an interesting and valid way to look at it. didnt look at it. Pippa i agree she had those two big moments when she needed them but that is easier when you are younger and now more than ever age unfortunately seems to be a big factor.

 

I wouldn't bet against Kylie pulling it off but she needs to choose wisely with her material. I remember after Impossible Princess many said Kylie was finished ( i know she was much younger) but she proved all those critics wrong just like she did when she started out.

 

Pippa i do agree on the recent material, much of it is forgettable and to me i think she wasted time, maybe creatively for herself she needed to do it but the output since Aphrodite in large is disappointing. I just cant warm to the Kiss me Once era at all and in a surprise to myself i actually prefer her Christmas album and i usually hate Christmas albums. It was the performances of the Christmas songs that warmed me to the era, i love the Kylie Christmas show from Royal Albert Hall, very Kylie throughout and in contrast for some reason that i cant explain i find Kiss Me Once not very Kylie at all.

Kylie hasn' really had her Cher moment IMO, Spinning Around and Head are so typically Kylie, despite her going all Indie, she never drastically changed the genre/sound of her music, Cher did. In the 80's she re-invented herself as a rock star and Believe was a dance pop number. SA was a mini one at best.

Jennifer Lopez is a good example of how Kylie needs to approach her career. After Brave and the floppage of Louboutins, J-Lo moved/was dropped from on label, signed to a new one that had a good idea of what to do and how to do it. Then came On The Floor, a song that has what made her famous in the first place (dane music with a latin twist) but it was also relevent to the times and radios lapped it up. It's now her biggest hit and allowed her to have a reinvented career.

 

The problem with Kylie is that her music is far too safe and simple and too Kylie. KMO is just watered down Kylie by numbers with nothing all that drastic. The thing is, when she does do something different, like the Garibay EPs, her fans get snooty and turn their noses up at the new stuff, but they complain that she needs to change.

She can't win. The EPs were just her making music and having fun, had she desried some kind of commerical success with them she'd put effort into it rather than just

throwing them out there.

Number 90 in Ireland this week (our charts are out a day early again this week like last week) was number 46.

I don't really see how Kylie could get a big hit single again at this stage, same with Madonna. It's not just their age, but they're way past the point now where commercial radio would touch anything they release with a bargepole. It's a lot harder to make miraculous comebacks in this day and age, especially when people are focused on "flavours of the month" as much as they are.

 

I know J-Lo had a miracle big hit with 'On The Floor' a few years ago, but that's very much a once in a blue moon occurrence.

Kylie Christmas has dropped to no91 in albums this week.

Kylie Christmas has dropped to no91 in albums this week.

Not bad considering it only had 1 day of sales :P

Not bad considering it only had 1 day of sales :P

 

 

Well it is still Christmas...day 8/ maids a milking....haha.

Having Xmas day on Friday at start of chart wek really helped :). Nice finish to the year