Good news for the Lib Dem’s. Given that she’s one of the most prominent Jewish MPs, it may attract left-leaning Jews who want to vote for a left-leaning party that isn’t systemically anti-Semitic.

 

Either Labour was systematically so under Blair and the media didn't care, oe they are using it as an anti Labour attack. Either way, ir does NOT reflect well on corporate media.

Either Labour was systematically so under Blair and the media didn't care, oe they are using it as an anti Labour attack. Either way, ir does NOT reflect well on corporate media.

 

Please don’t attempt to use the false dichotomy fallacy.

But no offence you are by trying to suggest the Lib dems are a left leaning party 😂

I’m pretty sure most people would see the Lib Dem’s as a left-leaning party. Although people who stand in a different position may see things differently.

They are centre right.

In terms of recent MP defections, it's making them look more like the centre.

 

In terms of recent policies, they're centre-left with a possible economic right bent.

 

But more importantly than any left or right dichotomy they're liberal (as in opposition to authoritarianism), and a broad church, even more so lately, underneath that liberalism. People too often forget that the left-right axis isn't the only plane in existence nor should it always be the most important.

I'm afraid that post was very 'sponsored by the political compass' but there are liberal parties and there are centrist parties (not in the UK, but New Labour were fairly close) and they are very often not in agreement.

But they are above all NEO Liberal.

Which has far too often in recent years been used as a snarl word to align the listener against whoever has been described as such rather than being a legitimate political ideology. Which it is. But few people who use it really know what the word means.

 

But yes, they are broadly neoliberal, which is fine, it's a damn sight better than whatever classical liberalism has turned into, you generally only see that phrase being used in recent years as a self-description to avoid saying 'libertarian with a high opinion of themselves'.

It's not fine, as neoliberal policies have led to the plutocracies that we have today.

yeah no that was all conservatism with their hierarchies and constant refusal by elites to accept successful governments that were left of center, I mean, neoliberalism certainly HELPED a bit because it's so good everyone was doing it for a while. But it had nothing to do with this latest wave of right-wing populism nor has it ever really threatened to destroy society except through its own hubris.

 

I also think that liberalism is in a state of morphing beyond the old neoliberalism for the new century. Just as Corbynism is promoting a new kind of socialism in the UK, the liberals are shedding the baggage of neoliberalism and updating it so that it can coexist with fundamentals of society that are changing.

yeah no that was all conservatism with their hierarchies and constant refusal by elites to accept successful governments that were left of center, I mean, neoliberalism certainly HELPED a bit because it's so good everyone was doing it for a while. But it had nothing to do with this latest wave of right-wing populism nor has it ever really threatened to destroy society except through its own hubris.

 

I also think that liberalism is in a state of morphing beyond the old neoliberalism for the new century. Just as Corbynism is promoting a new kind of socialism in the UK, the liberals are shedding the baggage of neoliberalism and updating it so that it can coexist with fundamentals of society that are changing.

 

1. I see the current wave of right-wing populism as being a temporary response to the rampant political correctness that threatens to destabilize our country.

 

2. A 'new' kind of socialism? It looks very much like the old, repeated failed, variety to me!

1. I see the current wave of right-wing populism as being a temporary response to the rampant political correctness that threatens to destabilize our country.

 

After everything that has happened in the last 5 years, there are still people who think that it's 'political correctness' that risks destabilising a country.

 

lmao

After everything that has happened in the last 5 years, there are still people who think that it's 'political correctness' that risks destabilising a country.

 

lmao

 

Makes wonder how our countries ever managed to survive before PC was even thought of... :rolleyes:

 

Makes wonder how our countries ever managed to survive before PC was even thought of... :rolleyes:

We survived before computers were invented as well. Do you want to abolish them?

Yeah I’d really rather someone pulled me up on playing fast and loose with the definitions of political ideologies, that’s how much I don’t want to see more political correctness takes. Being polite and biting your tongue on slurs is not destabilising our society.

 

As such I’d go into Corbyn’s socialism/social democracy but this isn’t really the topic for that, however I will just say briefly it shares much with European social democrats such as the governing parties in Sweden and Denmark, who of course are not failed governments. It only looks like the old left because the UK has been in sore need of a proper left-wing party for too long, but the model can certainly work.

As such I’d go into Corbyn’s socialism/social democracy but this isn’t really the topic for that, however I will just say briefly it shares much with European social democrats such as the governing parties in Sweden and Denmark, who of course are not failed governments. It only looks like the old left because the UK has been in sore need of a proper left-wing party for too long, but the model can certainly work.

 

There's a *reason* why haven't had a left-wing gov't since the 70's, as anyone over 45 could tell you. It can be summed up in three words though : Winter Of Discontent

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The way things are going, there will be a repeat of that statement in 2050 but reversed for the right-wing and the words being No Deal Brexit.

 

But that’s just as fallacious, one crisis in one country decades ago has little relevance now. But the point is that British people are currently unused to differentiating between leftists because of this period where they weren’t prominent. It’s a model that has a good chance of seeing success based on contemporary analogues in other countries which is somewhat more relevant!

The way things are going, there will be a repeat of that statement in 2050 but reversed for the right-wing and the words being No Deal Brexit.

 

But that’s just as fallacious, one crisis in one country decades ago has little relevance now. But the point is that British people are currently unused to differentiating between leftists because of this period where they weren’t prominent. It’s a model that has a good chance of seeing success based on contemporary analogues in other countries which is somewhat more relevant!

 

British society has indeed changed in the last 40 years, but surely no-one outside the extreme-left would want to revert to a situation where trade unions could hold the country to ransom?

 

British society has indeed changed in the last 40 years, but surely no-one outside the extreme-left would want to revert to a situation where trade unions could hold the country to ransom?

 

1. Not extreme left. Moderate european left.

 

2. Moderate Keynsian economics.

 

3. This same model did wonders in Portugal, Norway and Sweden.

 

4. Neoliberal economics lead to boom n bust, recesssion, plutocracy and rich with so much money they are above the law.