Given that lie detectors are not considered accurate enough to be used as evidence in court, it is a stupid idea.

 

You took the words right out of my mouth! Was just about to post that.

I couldn't believe my eyes when I read that this morning. Utterly laughable.

Given that lie detectors are not considered accurate enough to be used as evidence in court, it is a stupid idea.

 

Just as well I didn't post the Mail version of the story then... :teresa:

Wow, Jeremy Kyle taken off the air partially because if the inaccuracies of a lie detector test but it’s sufficient enough for terrorists. Absolutely no words anymore.

Wow, Jeremy Kyle taken off the air partially because if the inaccuracies of a lie detector test but it’s sufficient enough for terrorists. Absolutely no words anymore.

 

 

That's a very good point actually.

 

Just to prove I don't just post pro-Boris articles.

 

From Daily Mail.

 

 

Johnson got his much wanted majority but since then, the Government has been in a state of suspended animation.

 

No clear line on Iran. Uncertainty and continued Cabinet infighting over Huawei. Chaotic briefing and counter-briefing over HS2. Most tellingly of all, little, 45 days in, that even resembles a coherent strategy or vision for the country.

 

Another Minister painted the following picture: 'Everything's just being left to pile up. We had no coherent Iran response for days. We've got HS2, another rail report, 5G, something on education, the Budget and nothing's being decided.'

We were promised the antithesis of the dour administrator Theresa May. Boris was fizzing with energy and ideas. He had the hunger and charisma to drive the Government forward. Like his hero Winston Churchill, he would lead from the front, vanquish the naysayers, and march the nation heroically into the roaring 20s. Yet where are we this morning?

 

We are told he is minded to rubber-stamp Mrs May's decision to grant Chinese access to the 5G network, despite shrill US objections. Or he may not. He may axe one of the largest infrastructure projects in British history into which billions have already been sunk. Or he may not. But in any case, according to his officials, whatever is decided, we should not expect to see too much of him over the coming months. His role is not going to be that of a traditional Prime Minister, or even a traditional Cabinet Minister, but more a chairman of the board.

 

Ask Ministers and officials where the Government's dynamism and direction will be coming from over the next five years, and you're met with a shrug. Some point to Michael Gove and what they claim may be a formal or de-facto elevation to the role of Deputy Prime Minister. Others identify Munira Mirza, director of the No 10 policy unit, who has been framed as a firecracker of New Conservatism. But that was also her framing in advance of the publication of the Tory Election manifesto, which turned out to be notable solely for its timidity.

 

The name that crops up most frequently is Dominic Cummings, the PM's ragged-shirted svengali. But his obsession seems to be internal reform of Whitehall, the BBC and the parliamentary press lobby.

 

All of which may be perfectly worthy. But when I was out on the stump in Bolsover and Bishop Auckland during the Election campaign, people seemed more concerned about crime, hospitals and schools, rather than the disparity between the number of Civil Service science and arts graduates.

 

One striking example of the dysfunctionality this leadership vacuum is creating is provided by the current chaos over HS2. Boris, who developed a love of 'high-vis politics' during his time as London Mayor, is said to favour the project. But key members of his team don't. So Tory MPs are now receiving calls from No 10 officials ordering them to come to Downing Street to lobby against the scheme. 'It's nuts. We're being told by No 10 to demand to come into No 10 to lobby No 10,' one backbencher told me.

 

Another is the confusion over the Huawei contract. 'Everyone is being told our No1 priority is securing that US trade deal,' says one Minister, 'and then we're being told to sign off on Huawei, which is going to p*** off the Americans.'

The tory dictatorship is beyond incompetent.

Priti Patel was on Sky News this morning and kept repeating the same line about Brexit "Taking back control of our law, borders, and money"

The tory dictatorship is beyond incompetent.

 

 

Well luckily we'll never know what Corbyn would have been like.

A true statesman with a competent government that puts people, rather than Tory mp pockets and those of the landed gentŕy, first :)

A true statesman wiyh a competent govdrnment that puts people rather than Tory mp pockets and those of the landed gentŕy, first :)

 

 

So why didn't the voters envisage that then

That's what Marx calls, false consciousness. It's a result of constant propaganda, brainwashing and propaganda.

 

Let's look at the election again, shall we?

 

1. Brexshit - follows on from thirty years of anti Eau propaganda. Oven ready for twatty tories.

2. 100 million pre-election spend.

3. One party state MEDIA, including BBTory and Tory Time.

4. Facebook allowing outright lies -5k from the Tories, 0 from Labour.

5. Brexshit Party

6. Calling it in winter

7. Calling it before his shit brexshit deal could be torn apart

8. Shit electoral system. More voted for Labour and remain parties. Mwaa. Sorry x

 

That' why, mkay? x

 

False consciousness basically.

Priti Patel was on Sky News this morning and kept repeating the same line about Brexit "Taking back control of our law, borders, and money"

Lying again, then. After all, it is impossible to take back something you never lost in the first place.

Lying again, then. After all, it is impossible to take back something you never lost in the first place.

 

How do you figure that?

How do you figure that?

We already have control of our laws, borders and money as you have been told umpteen times before. Therefore, we can't get back control of them.

We already have control of our laws, borders and money as you have been told umpteen times before. Therefore, we can't get back control of them.

 

We had *some* control, I'll grant you that, but not as much as we had before we joined, or will again after 31st January. :mellow:

The tory dictatorship is beyond incompetent.

 

Do you call them a 'dictatorship' because they hold 100% of the power on 44% of the votes?

We had *some* control, I'll grant you that, but not as much as we had before we joined, or will again after 31st January. :mellow:

As you’ve been repeatedly told; the control that we “lack” is a consequence of the UK government choosing not to implement various elements of Article 21 of the TFEU. It is not EU law that means we have no “control” over our border but actually gaps in domestic law.

 

EU law states that:

 

- Stays of longer than three months (ie not a tourist) should be registered in line with local rules. (Doesn’t exist in the UK)

- EU migrants must be moving for work or to seek work or to study or to train. Where this is not the case, the migrant must have sufficient resources to support themselves without recourse to public funds in the host state & they must have comprehensive health insurance via whatever method is in place in the host state.

- right to permanent residence comes after 5 years. This is in line with *every* other visa type.

- families members regardless of citizenship who are accompanying or joining an EU citizen who meets the above requirements are also entitled to free movement.

 

EU law requires that the migrant not become “a burden” on the social security system of the host state.

 

We also have the right to curtail free movement rights for public safety, public health and public order reasons AND can remove someone for these grounds even after they have attained permanent residence. They can also be banned from entering the country. As a non-Schengen state we check the passports of every EU national. We have the right to refuse entry to any of them in line with domestic law.

 

 

 

In Germany I have had to:

 

- Register with the Bürgeramt within 14 days of moving to Berlin in line with German Law.

- Register for and pay for Health Insurance with a Krankenkasse. (€650 a month!)

 

I moved for employment so no need to prove that I have the means to support myself. I am blocked from accessing public funds for a period of time though. At any time I can be asked to present my passport, work contract and proof of health insurance and can be fined for not presenting the documents.

 

 

 

 

Your failure to comprehend basic EU law is a damning indictment of this entire farce. 4.3m people are having their lives turned upside down because the British government has failed in the fundamental task of implementing EU Law appropriately. We have the ability to be in full control, we choose not to be. This is a UK government failing, not an issue with the EU

What makes it even more ridiculous is that most of the restrictions were imposed on the insistence of the UK government.