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Good to see that the former chief executive of Carillion, forced out for being rubbish at his job, has managed to find another job. He is in charge of inspections at a nuclear power station. What could possibly go wrong?

 

His name isn't Homer Simpson is it?

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Right? It was a strange 'comeback' by May. Didn't really understand what they were trying to achieve.

 

Blame the last Labour/Tory government for everything has always been a good Get Out Of Jail Free card to play in the game of oneupmanship - implying they are both as crap as one another as if that is some sort of excuse for useless politicians who are currently not doing their job properly.

Is this thought just too cynical even for the Tories : might the Tories call a general election just after Brexit day?

 

If they win, they'll have a clear 5 years, if not, they could blame Labour if Brexit goes pear-shaped... :thinking:

Is this thought just too cynical even for the Tories : might the Tories call a general election just after Brexit day?

 

If they win, they'll have a clear 5 years, if not, they could blame Labour if Brexit goes pear-shaped... :thinking:

Why could they blame Labour? If the election is called after we leave, the Tories will have negotiated the deal.

Money-grabbing corrupt Tories need to get OUT

 

Forget Brexit: the REAL taking back of control for the PEOPLE is when they stop voting the way the billionaires tell them to.

Why could they blame Labour? If the election is called after we leave, the Tories will have negotiated the deal.

 

They might claim that Labour's 'profligacy' was designed to undermine Brexit.

 

 

Money-grabbing corrupt Tories need to get OUT

 

Forget Brexit: the REAL taking back of control for the PEOPLE is when they stop voting the way the billionaires tell them to.

 

You need to start reading something other than Karl Marx's 'Communist Manifesto' :rolleyes:

They might claim that Labour's 'profligacy' was designed to undermine Brexit.

What effect could 'profligacy' have when the terms of exit have already been set?

 

You need to start reading something other than Karl Marx's 'Communist Manifesto' :rolleyes:

I'm no Marxist (or communist), but you both do Marx a disservice.

What effect could 'profligacy' have when the terms of exit have already been set?

 

Quite a lot - If the economy was well-managed, any negative effects of Brexit would be minimised.

 

I'm no Marxist (or communist), but you both do Marx a disservice.

 

Good point - Shia LeMuffQueef makes him look moderate. :teresa:

 

Seen some grumbling tonight about PwC paying out banks first on the Carillion debacle rather than 30,000 small businesses. :(

 

As if this is a choice they're making. Insolvency Act dictates what happens when a company is liquidated. In this case the banks with secured loans are being paid out second. (first is the liquidators fees)

 

The reason these are paid out first is because these debts are secured against an asset. I.e. if you can't repay us then that asset is ours. So what is happening here is that those assets are being sold or the title is being transferred to the holders of secured debt. Pretty much like a bank repossession of a house if the mortgage payments go unpaid. Not all secured debts are held by banks but most are. The banks will have unsecured exposure that is in the same position as the 30,000 in that they get a share of whats left. Shareholders are paid last and the near absolute majority of the time get f*** all.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-53...n-expenses.html

 

Tory MP pleads not guilty to fiddling his expenses when he beat Nigel Farage in the 2015 General Election

Tory MP beat Ukip leader Nigel Farage to South Thanet seat in 2015 election

But authorities claim he did not declare some of his spending during campaign

He denies the charges, as do two of his campaign team, and they will be tried

 

A Tory MP has denied fiddling his expenses during the 2015 general election campaign.

 

Craig Mackinlay, 50, and his team are accused of failing to declare expenses during the party's 2015 campaign to see off Ukip leader Nigel Farage in South Thanet, Kent.

 

Mackinlay secured a majority of just over 2,800 following a tense campaign with 38% of the vote.

 

But he and members of his campaign allegedly did not declare spending on hotel rooms and advertising materials for Tory party staff, activists and volunteers.

 

Mackinlay arrived at the Old Bailey today wearing a grey suit, blue tie and white shirt, alongside campaign agent Nathan Gray, 28, and senior Tory campaign director Marion Little, 62.

 

After confirming his name, Mackinlay denied two charges of a candidate knowingly making a false declaration of his election expenses.

 

Mackinlay's wife Kati sat in the public gallery as he entered his not guilty pleas.

 

Gray denied one count of using a false instrument to make a false expenses declaration, and one count of making a false declaration.

 

Little denied three charges, two connected to aiding and abetting Mackinlay in his alleged wrongdoing, and one connected to Gray.

 

The charges all relate to their campaign ahead of the June 2015 election.

 

Mr Justice Anthony Edis earlier set the trial date for May 14, with an estimated length of six weeks.

 

Mackinlay, of Ramsgate, Kent, denies two counts of a candidate knowingly making a false declaration of his election expenses.

 

Gray, of Cranbrook, Kent, denies making a false declaration in relation to his role as Mackinlay's agent and using a false instrument.

 

Little, of Ware, Hertforshire, denies two charges of aiding and abetting Mackinlay in his alleged wrongdoing, and one like charge relating to Gray.

 

All three were released on bail ahead of a further hearing on February 12.

 

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Perhaps the judge will nullify the result and declare Farage the winner... :heehee:

As has been pointed out before, the result has been superseded. Whatever makes you feel better, though...
As has been pointed out before, the result has been superseded. Whatever makes you feel better, though...

 

Pointed out by me - but no-one here ever gets my jokes...

Pointed out by me - but no-one here ever gets my jokes...

That's because they're not funny.

It's Brexit-related but it's also Tory Lie related by a senior Tory MP in charge of the most important event in our lives right now (and for the future), so how about a little light relief?

 

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-...s-a8185176.html

 

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I suggest Ben Wallace should be made to read that famous quote by Benjamin Franklin : “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”

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