(You may well be right about the first part as well but, while a bit POINTLESS, I don't think that's anywhere near as bad as physically changing people's votes (with or without consent), the kind of people who'd agree to it are his friends anyway)

Obviously not on a level ordinarily, but like this I think it's a bit more off when you're the one doing the adding up and you know exactly what the score you're asking for will do to your result.

Obviously not on a level ordinarily, but like this I think it's a bit more off when you're the one doing the adding up in the knowledge of exactly what you're asking for will do to your score.

 

Are you still talking about the rate? Because IIRC Lee wasn't even particularly close to winning until the last day (in fact Jade was miles ahead of everyone else for the majority of it), if he did pester anyone for higher scores it wouldn't have been in the knowledge that it'd make him win. I may be misunderstanding tho.

Are you still talking about the rate? Because IIRC Lee wasn't even particularly close to winning until the last day (in fact Jade was miles ahead of everyone else for the majority of it), if he did pester anyone for higher scores it wouldn't have been in the knowledge that it'd make him win. I may be misunderstanding tho.

I'm talking about both. Obviously a degree of pestering goes on ordinarily - both sad and not really on - but doing so in the position of host is even moreso. And anyway, Lee probably wasn't even particularly close to winning this until the end given how close it was and how he had to give himself ten points from someone else. That's the thing about being host - you're in the position where you'd know exactly how many people you have to ask to chip away at a big lead.

The results of the rate were added up by both Lee and Rob and they both had nearly identical results in the end so unless they CONSPIRED to tamper with the results they were genuine. The circumstances with the voided rates and whatnot does admittedly LOOK fishy but I can assure you these decisions were made long before anyone knew Lee was going to win / come within a few points of winning.

how do we know now though? this whole incident throws everything up in the air, and what about the win in the contest before?

 

as i said over the rate period, too much power for too long always ends up corrupting. how can he ever host anything again? it's all such a pity but i don't see how or WHY he should remain a lounge mod, especially with everything that has transpired/transpired over the rate period. for the good of the future of this site it is a necessity.

Are you still talking about the rate? Because IIRC Lee wasn't even particularly close to winning until the last day (in fact Jade was miles ahead of everyone else for the majority of it), if he did pester anyone for higher scores it wouldn't have been in the knowledge that it'd make him win. I may be misunderstanding tho.

Shoulda kept the n00ds up for the final day

I'm not actually as perfect as i make out to be.

 

I f***ed up once and there's a lot of individuals who are far from perfect regarding BJSC but that's not my place, I'm disappointed with the way it's came around and I can only apologise. There's so much more I can continue saying regarding this matter but there's no point because y'all already assume the worse.

 

Everybody f***s up and some people have certain ways of dealing with things (I'm a defensive person) and some comments have been rather disappointing. The majority of the site know what type of individual I am and how much effort i put into the website.

 

Yes I f***ed up but that doesn't mean I'm a bad person.

I don't think anybody said you were a bad person, but that's the kind of statement that would have been far more welcome at the beginning rather than fervent denial until (and after) it was revealed and then the way you reacted after.

 

And as a general piece of advice, honest apologies that make people think you've learned something don't tend to end with deflecting the fire at other people.

Yeah, maybe instead of playing the victim and blaming others, just understand your mistakes, own them and go from there. It makes you look like a normal person and not some exaggerated obnoxious internet caricature.

Let's forgive Lee and move it on...

I can only apologise for my part in this, and then further apologise for staying silent until now, because I have played a part in this and need to take a certain responsibility. I am undecided as to whether I'll be taking part in the next competition - I know a few of you think I also deserve a ban and I fully understand and appreciate that.

 

I do think people now know what they need to know and have had a chance to say their part - is there really much point dragging it out any further? Whether I'm taking part or not, it would be good to focus on Mulgracia's win and the next competition.

Let's face it, RATE REVENGE!!! Is what changed the Rate results :lol:Fear the Summer Fruits!

I agree that we should move on, but what I would say is that once trust is lost it is very difficult to ever get back.

 

Joe - I don't believe you have anything to apologise for. It appears to me that Lee took advantage of your friendship and naivety, effectively bullying you into changing your votes.

I don't think Joe's to blame at all. I'd probably humour a friend if they asked me to bump them up a point or two, but it certainly wouldn't be my fault if they changed my votes when I told them not to.

 

I also think moving on is a separate thing from forgiveness. Forgiveness doesn't really mean anything without proper contrition and a sign that they've learned from this. All we've had is an 'I've fucked up once look I'm not bad' defensive rant after just denials, mockery and a lack of co-operation with the mods who've had to sort this out. We haven't really had anything that goes anywhere near showing that Lee has learned anything from this other than feeling shit. As a starter, what would show that would be total openness about what he did (or if there was anything else he did - now's the time to tell us if so, if someone wants forgiveness), why he did it and why it won't happen again. That's where you work from if you want proper forgiveness. Not a switch from mockery to attempting to make people feel bad for talking about the issue and rumblings that we're hypocritical for even doing so.

 

Actually fuck that, on reading that all back it'd be a joke if that 'apology' was the closure we take to 'move on' here.

I'm not actually as perfect as i make out to be.

 

I f***ed up once and there's a lot of individuals who are far from perfect regarding BJSC but that's not my place, I'm disappointed with the way it's came around and I can only apologise. There's so much more I can continue saying regarding this matter but there's no point because y'all already assume the worse.

 

Everybody f***s up and some people have certain ways of dealing with things (I'm a defensive person) and some comments have been rather disappointing. The majority of the site know what type of individual I am and how much effort i put into the website.

 

Yes I f***ed up but that doesn't mean I'm a bad person.

 

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(At the top here, I'd like to state that me and Lee are still friends and on that front this has changed nothing but I still feel I ought to add my two cents to this)

 

Lee, if you'd have just straight up said as soon as these revelations came out that you were remorseful and were accepting your punishment then I don't think the backlash would have been half as much as it's become now. What irks me more than the incident at hand is the way you've tried to bring others down i.e. 'Joseph snitched' and 'loads of other people are just as bad' which is really not on. It's a shame to see somebody's ego on an online forum be so fragile they have to go to such lengths as manipulating a song contest and hiring out Michael's lapdog services to rush to their defence, especially since I know that you're better than that.

 

Still, I'm sure that a post/statement outlining your remorse and then seeing out a punishment will be sufficient enough for everyone to move on from this.

Firstly, let me say that I'm not writing this for forgiveness. I'm doing it because I genuinely feel bad about what I did, I broke the trust placed in me as a host of BJSC and as a Buzzjack moderator. I'm sorry that it's taken me this long to truly own up to what I did, but I'm not the sort of person to pour my heart out, let alone on Buzzjack over something like this. I dealt with it incredibly poorly and again, I'm sorry for making light of what is a very serious breach of trust on my part and trying to drag other people into my mess. I don't deal with things particularly well in general and as hard as it may be to believe I'm not perfect and I do try and make a joke of things, sometimes that's my best way of addressing things. I'm still young so I'm always going to make mistakes, sadly this mistake was something in deeply disappointed in and something I will never think about doing again

 

Basically y'all know what happened, I never bullied anyone and being accused of doing such a thing is disheartening, I never did it with anybody saying no but that doesn't excuse for the fact that I still tried to make the contest as interesting as possible, up until the final votes I had mulgracia down as a winner but again that's no excuse. I really f***ed up. I was greedy and thought nobody would find out. I realise that I took the trust you placed in me for granted, I used my friendship with another member for my own gain and made a mockery of BJSC in the process. Joe isn't at fault here, I abused his trust in me too for my own gain. I'm especially sorry to him, for dragging him into this mess.

 

This was a one off event though. I got greedy and thought I was invincible with so much BJSC success over the summer. Nothing else I have added up for The Lounge or BJSC has been impacted at all. Everyone can confirm that from their BJSC votes in other months and other mods have added up the rate too.

 

A ban from the contest is fair, but asking for me to be removed as Lounge Mod is too much. I put so much into it, I love the lounge, I love Buzzjack and I really don't think one mistake, however big, should take away from all the good I feel I've done over the last few years. That's why I'm writing this apology, I want you all to understand that I realise the severity of what I've done and how badly I f***ed up, but also that my dedication and hard work won't change and I hope this can be kept separate from everything else on Buzzjack.

 

I can't even describe how difficult that was for me to write and is arguably the most difficult thing I've ever written (ive written so much reports that I have no clue about) but I do care about a lot of members on the site and do care for the site in general, I accept a lot of you will look at me differently but I'll ensure I put the time and effort into making things right with y'all.

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Bravo Lee!!!!

 

Everyone makes mistakes and we're all only human. It's not the greatest thing to have happened ever and I think you could have handled it differently, but owning up to it is very brave and soon everyone will move on.

 

Also, LexC, Lee never asked me to defend him, I just didn't believe the allegations.

What irks me the most after Lee's recognition in the announcement forum for been an outstanding person on the site he pulls a stunt like this.

 

I know Sigala won fair and square as I hosted, but I had back ups from Bray and Rob/ not forgetting Liam and Math as co-hosts. I think in future there should be back ups like Bray & Rob to make sure the scoresheet is all correct either that or send the votes to a second party as received.

 

Just have to learn to get over this I suppose, and Michael (Low Hanging Peen) is not helping matters with his moronic posts.

Firstly, let me say that I'm not writing this for forgiveness. I'm doing it because I genuinely feel bad about what I did, I broke the trust placed in me as a host of BJSC and as a Buzzjack moderator. I'm sorry that it's taken me this long to truly own up to what I did, but I'm not the sort of person to pour my heart out, let alone on Buzzjack over something like this. I dealt with it incredibly poorly and again, I'm sorry for making light of what is a very serious breach of trust on my part and trying to drag other people into my mess. I don't deal with things particularly well in general and as hard as it may be to believe I'm not perfect and I do try and make a joke of things, sometimes that's my best way of addressing things. I'm still young so I'm always going to make mistakes, sadly this mistake was something in deeply disappointed in and something I will never think about doing again

 

Basically y'all know what happened, I never bullied anyone into providing votes, I never did it with anybody saying no but that doesn't excuse for the fact that I still tried to make the contest as interesting as possible, up until the final votes I had mulgracia down as a winner but again that's no excuse. I really f***ed up. I was greedy and thought nobody would find out. I realise that I took the trust you placed in me for granted, I used my friendship with another member for my own gain and made a mockery of BJSC in the process. Joe isn't at fault here, I abused his trust in me too for my own gain. I'm especially sorry to him, for dragging him into this mess.

 

This was a one off event though. I got greedy and thought I was invincible with so much BJSC success over the summer. Nothing else I have added up for The Lounge or BJSC has been impacted at all. Everyone can confirm that from their BJSC votes in other months and other mods have added up the rate too.

 

A ban from the contest is fair, but asking for me to be removed as Lounge Mod is too much. I put so much into it, I love the lounge, I love Buzzjack and I really don't think one mistake, however big, should take away from all the good I feel I've done over the last few years. That's why I'm writing this apology, I want you all to understand that I realise the severity of what I've done and how badly I f***ed up, but also that my dedication and hard work won't change and I hope this can be kept separate from everything else on Buzzjack.

 

I can't even describe how difficult that was for me to write but I do care about a lot of members on the site and do care for the site in general, I accept a lot of you will look at me differently but I'll ensure I put the time and effort into making things right with y'all.

well this explains why you've now so notably changed your tune doesn't it. i'm sorry lee but with great power comes great responsibility and you've in essence rigged a competition and then totally deflected and refused to own it, how can anybody trust you again and why when you behave so entirely out of order can you expect to remain in one of buzzjack's most notable positions of power. like...that'd be madness and totally wrong. also this is something that totally calls into effect your ability to that job properly and well.

 

and i'm not saying this as any personal vendetta against you, seeing this happen isn't nice but this sort of shit has to have far reaching consequences whoever it was. as i've already said, how can people trust past results, the rate had a totally rotten edge to it with the sneakily voided rates, now this, who knows with other events, it just shows you how much total power can corrupt. you have to go...