Disagree. It's better for the brand the more successful the winner is. The show is lucky the likes of JLS/One Direction/Olly Murs have been so successful. I mean in 11 series there have been 3 winners that I would class as successful artists, and even one of those I'm being kind at.

 

The producers want a successful winner, but they also want great TV.

 

Well as you pointed out, out of 11 seasons, most winners have been flops and yet the show survived. It is an entertainment show, it's relying on TV ads, the "music" side of it is not as important, and it basically shows in how few effort they put in promoting some of the winners once the show is over. This is a TV show, just like DWTS.

 

And anyway, as you said as well, it don't matter who the winner is, acts like 1D and JLS made it big without winning the show. And I'm sure most people don't remember they're not winners.

Edited November 29, 20159 yr by Hayzayy

Che is going home next week (PLEASE).

 

They are probably saving all the big stars for the final. They usually have, what, five or six guest performers throughout both the Saturday and Sunday. They'll be saving Adele and Bieber for then.

I largely agree with Rooney in this thread, but the description of 'Echo' as poop is unforgivable. By far the best X Factor related album and one of the best of recent years.

 

(not strictly relevant, I know)

I largely agree with Rooney in this thread, but the description of 'Echo' as poop is unforgivable. By far the best X Factor related album and one of the best of recent years.

 

(not strictly relevant, I know)

"THIS" tbh. :arrr: at Rooney!!!

 

Also, I'm fairly sure Louisa could be in danger next week. Lauren could very well receive the "rebound vote" next week and get her into the final. I'd love for Che or R&B to be the most in danger, but I just can't see both Lauren and Louisa being safe.

I honestly think it is even more simple than that, ok maybe Sam prison lady and Leon Jackson were lost causes, but to me it is that first single. The acts who have made a career from the show had a killer first single. Trouble is the winners tend to get a very very play it safe first single. You'd think they had learned with the Girls Aloud/One True Voice that taking a risk with the first single can pay off hugely.

 

Wings, That's what makes you beautiful, Beat Again, Bleeding Love, Bad boys etc really good first singles.

 

Matt Cardle is probably the worst, they gave him a tuneless rape anthem.

 

Good singles yes, but it comes down to the fact that you knew what type of artist they should be. Some acts just have a limited shelf-life and to make the most out of them you do what you need to make money! (see countless Mothers Day cover albums..)

 

Well as you pointed out, out of 11 seasons, most winners have been flops and yet the show survived. It is an entertainment show, it's relying on TV ads, the "music" side of it is not as important, and it basically shows in how few effort they put in promoting some of the winners once the show is over. This is a TV show, just like DWTS.

 

And anyway, as you said as well, it don't matter who the winner is, acts like 1D and JLS made it big without winning the show. And I'm sure most people don't remember they're not winners.

 

Acts like 1D and JLS though could be so successful because they were marketable acts. Sam Bailey, Leon Jackson, Ben Haenow, Steve Brookstein, Joe McEldery.. they weren't. Good voices yes, but a good voice doesn't get you anywhere in the music industry. People vote for them, but they don't buy their records - and this hurts the show brand. There's longevity in those types of acts because the people that vote for them don't buy music!

 

James Arthur is the winner that got away. If he wasn't such a cock, I think he would have carved out a successful mainstream career.

 

All signs right now point to a reggie and bollie win...

 

For example... last week on twitter the x factor account announced the top 5 in this order...

 

4th impact, lauren, che, louisa, reggie and bollie.

 

4th impact went home.

 

this week they announced the top 4...

 

Che, Lauren, Louisa, Reggie and Bollie.

 

My money says Che is out next, Lauren comes in 3rd, Louisa in 2nd and reggie and bollie win just like the order they have them in.

 

reggie and bollie must be topping the votes.

 

Obviously extremely happy with that result, 4th Impact have been on borrowed time for weeks now. Lauren gave one of the best singoff performances ever, in fact second only to Ruth Lorenzo's Purple Rain IMO! Given that in old series at the final 5 stage there wouldn't even be a singoff I don't think there can be any complaints of the lowest votes act leaving. (Lest we remind people of Cher Lloyd Vs Mary Byrne again?)

 

Carrie was a bit disappointing given the hype she was getting on here :lol: to be fair Rita's vocals weren't all that amazing either but of course that's a brilliant song so enjoyed the performance.

Edited November 30, 20159 yr by Dobbo

It's quite a subtle song compared to Carrie's usual songs tbf, her voice is incredible.

 

I can see a Ché vs Lauren sing off this week, with Louisa going on to win. I cannot see RNB winning still but they should make the final.

Agree I can't see RnB winning. The viewers for the final is always vastly different to the majority of the rest of the Series. Many people only watch the final so the votes are usually completely different to the rest of the series. Look at when James Arthur won, Chris Maloney was top practically every week with the 'traditionalists' out in full force but come the final all the 'final-only' viewers latched on to a more predictable outcome.

The British public always get to a point with a joke act where pretty good singers start going and they stay and they sort of turn against them. Reggie and Bollie will be getting this now, with 4th Impact and Lauren in the sing off who can both sing much better than them it makes the public think this isn't right.

 

If they do survive the SF, it will only make that worse as Louisa, Lauren and Che are all much much better singers than them and they would go into the final with the tag of 'they really shouldn't be there' hanging over their heads.

I largely agree with Rooney in this thread, but the description of 'Echo' as poop is unforgivable. By far the best X Factor related album and one of the best of recent years.

 

(not strictly relevant, I know)

 

Um excuse me:

http://i.imgur.com/o1yavBT.jpg

>>> Echo and Leona's entire career.

His album is actually pretty good, All Yours is one of the best songs of the year for me.

His album is actually pretty good, All Yours is one of the best songs of the year for me.

 

Love that song :)

 

Re the above and why winners fail, some of the points about having a good voice is isn't everything are indeed true but its not the whole story. Joe Mcelderry was mentioned as an example. Yes some people are beyond hope (Leon and Sam etc) but his post XF release Wide Awake (which I actually loved) was so far removed from what won him the show he lost all his fans and it flopped. He released a ballad album when he signed a new deal with Universal and it did well, just off platinum I believe (Three times more sales than Wide Awake) Point being that if you market people correctly they can sell. Its not all about the winner being unmarketable. Syco are pretty useless, they have even ruined careers of people who started out doing OK like Alex and Leona. They also decide early on who is worth investing in, in each series imo and the result makes no difference to that.

 

I also think there are so many people who just expect (and rejoice) in the winner failing. Just seems like they are on a loser from the start at times. I think the public also have to take some responsibility as well as Syco in that if you vote for someone try and support their career!

 

Ben is one of those that could have done well imo. They just messed it up. I truly believe had he done an acoustic version of one of his album tracks on the show (in a good slot!) he would have done SO much better. The album is really strong and 2HH as much as I like it does not showcase it. Most of his promo slots have been talking about his album and not actually performing tracks from it. Bit of a joke really

Edited November 30, 20159 yr by torresgirl

I haven't deigned to listen to the album, though Secondhand Heart IS among my favourite first proper singles from X Factor winners.

Great result as 4th Impact are just bunch of screaming ladies. Hopefully Lauren becomes new James Arthur and wins whole thing. R&B need to go. Even Stevie and Jonny were better.

Great result as 4th Impact are just bunch of screaming ladies. Hopefully Lauren becomes new James Arthur and wins whole thing. R&B need to go. Even Stevie and Jonny were better.

 

So were Jedward. At least they were amusing.

At least they sang too, Reggie and Bollie haven't sung an actual chorus yet.

Edited November 30, 20159 yr by sammy01

Why on Earth some people keep on thinking the producers decide who stays in and who goes out? The producers don't give a shit who wins the bloody show, just look at last year's winner, they make their money out of the TV ads and possibly the tour, they don't care if the winner is a popstar or not.

Well as you pointed out, out of 11 seasons, most winners have been flops and yet the show survived. It is an entertainment show, it's relying on TV ads, the "music" side of it is not as important, and it basically shows in how few effort they put in promoting some of the winners once the show is over. This is a TV show, just like DWTS.

 

And anyway, as you said as well, it don't matter who the winner is, acts like 1D and JLS made it big without winning the show. And I'm sure most people don't remember they're not winners.

The show also relies on revenue from voting, and in order to encourage as many viewers as possible to invest in their favourite contestant in each series' latter stages, 'winning' the show needs to mean something and hold some sort of weight. I agree with you that any XF alumni doing well is good for the show's brand, but ultimately a commercially successful winner is more beneficial to producers as that legitimises the show's entire format and the 'need' to pick up the phone. If the general idea becomes that the top five contestants have an equal chance of doing well after the show, how are the producers supposed to convince people to engage fully with the semi-final/final and create a big climax? They definitely care about the winner being a viable popstar as too many flop winners devalues the whole premise of the show.

 

Having said that, I've been surprised over the years how many times a judge has said something to the effect of "even if you don't win the show, you'll be a successful popstar" as I would have thought they'd be continually reminded by producers to emphasise to the public the importance of voting/winning. I don't recall Simon ever saying something like that anyway and I'd be very surprised if he did.

Edited December 1, 20159 yr by Joyeux Noah

Sia and Jason Derulo confirmed for Sunday's show.

Yay! 2 people who have never been on the show *.*

 

Hopefully Jason can stick around and get a final slot to perform 'Secret Love Song' with Little Mix. :wub: (although, I highly doubt it'll happen now tbh.