I wasn't talking about Corbyn being leader I was talking about centrists vs the left - whether Corbyn or another is leader it doesn't matter.

 

an effective leftist leader is better than an ineffective one, but there hasn't been a hint of a leftist government elected in England for, what, 43 years (just barely) and I'd argue not since the Second World War ended when the country was in utter dire straits, so it doesn't exactly look rosy for any non-centrist Labour party getting elected at a time when the Far Right is mopping up the working class white votes.

I'd say that's a simplistic argument, although Corbyn isn't really doing much to disprove it.

The Article 50 bill is an outrageous farcical heap of shite and should be voted down. It's not even an A4 page!!!

 

I think MPs should vote in line with their constituencies. They put them in office to represent their views after all. 58/59 Scottish MPs will. The other being that rancid twat Mundell who said last week it wasn't his job, as Secretary of State for Scotland, to advocate in cabinet for Scotlands interests.

 

The whole brexit thing is pointless. Within 2 decades the brexiting old will all be dead blissfully unaware of the pain they've caused with their bigoted selfishness and the millennials will finally be taking over the halls of power and well just go back in. Why leave when we're just going to return anyway. Pro-EU sentiment among the under 35s is up in the 70's. It f***s us over the most and we're the ones most in favour of remaining!!! f*** respecting the vote. It was built on lies and murder. f*** Farage. f*** Gove and most certainly c**t off May. Bloody thing was advisory and so narrow. Yet she's acting like every single voter voted leave. f*** that

 

But that's how FPTP elections work - winner takes all.

I'd say that's a simplistic argument, although Corbyn isn't really doing much to disprove it.

 

I look at Corbyn as a George Lansbury figure and an Atlee will follow after a few years. Let's hope Donald Trump doesn't lead to world war 3 between that!!

498 - 114 for the vote :(

 

I knew the government would always win but I didn't think by that much. Very disappointed with that.

The SNP, Lib Dems, and a Ken Clark voted against the motion, as well as 47 Labour MPs. Ironically, 3 Labour whips voted against the whip that it was their job to maintain.

The Scottish Labour MP voted with the SNP. Only the spineless Tory didn't. You should have a moral obligation to your constituents over your party. You're elected to represent the people of the Scottish Borders, not the ideology of Theresa May.

The Scottish Labour MP voted with the SNP. Only the spineless Tory didn't. You should have a moral obligation to your constituents over your party. You're elected to represent the people of the Scottish Borders, not the ideology of Theresa May.

 

By the logic of being bound by your constituents, the SNP MP for Banff & Buchan should (probably) have voted for Brexit :P

By the logic of being bound by your constituents, the SNP MP for Banff & Buchan should (probably) have voted for Brexit :P

Ha. Is it estimated to have voted Brexit at constituency level?

 

I don't really have much truck with the constituent rep/national rep argument either way. It's a representative system, not a delegate system - take your position and fight your election on it.

Ha. Is it estimated to have voted Brexit at constituency level?

 

I don't really have much truck with the constituent rep/national rep argument either way. It's a representative system, not a delegate system - take your position and fight your election on it.

 

Yeah. Some elections expert produced estimates for every constituency, based on demographic data:

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wTK...t#gid=893960794

 

B&B was the only Scottish constituency estimated to vote Leave, although Caithness and Moray were both very close.

I was always surprised to see Moray vote remain. Fishing dominates the local economy

The SNP, Lib Dems, and a Ken Clark voted against the motion, as well as 47 Labour MPs. Ironically, 3 Labour whips voted against the whip that it was their job to maintain.

 

Don't forget the SDLP and Green!!

Don't forget the SDLP and Green!!

 

Yes, I really shouldn't have forgotten the SDLP. Given that Northern Ireland voted Remain overall, notable that only 17% of our MPs voted that way in parliament (I think - I'm assuming that the two UUPs & Lady Sylvia either voted for it or didn't vote, and of course Sinn Fein don't take their seats).

Yeh Sylvia voted to remain!

Turns out there was a huge media elitist political secretive conspiracy. farage was right all along, and he should have known better than anyone......

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/f..._medium=twitter

 

just lied about who was behind it. Suddenly everything makes much more sense - what seems to be a worldwide grassroots movement spontaneously erupting is nothing of the kind....

Well, isn't this just great. With the way the Brexit negotiations are going, there is a slight possibility that I could be "deported" to the Republic of Ireland once the UK leaves the European Union, even though I am from Belfast, as I have an Irish passport, which superseded my British passport. Hopefully the Brexit negotiations will sort out this quirk, but for it even to be possible is a trifle troubling.

The House of Lords proving its worth on the Brexit bill *.* They've made an amendment to protect EU citizens' rights, thankfully.

Oh the House of Lords is so getting abolished *.* Shame that it's gonna come at a time when they've arguably been continually acting in the public interest more than the government for the past 20months

Amazing that it is the status quo right wing Conservstives who will be doing rh Abolishing! :lol:

 

Power is addictive and these Eton lot will never relinquish it after having it for centuries. They will turn Little England into a one pary state with no balances after Ref 2. For the MAJORITY of us who don't vote Tory it will be little better than a dictatorship.

For the first time ever the Tories are having to endure what every Labour government is history has faced, a lack of a majority in the House of Lords. Suddenly they have decided that they don't like it. Funny that.

 

When the Leave campaign ran with the slogan "Take back control", they somehow forgot to mention that they wanted that control to be in the hands of one person rather than parliament.