The EU is not Spain.

 

Plus, I think you'll find every country in the world has a history of not allowing breakaway parts of it. Should the people of Nottinghamshire be allowed to vote to leave the UK? Milton Keynes? It would be a bit like London (the rich bit) being allowed to break away from England, leaving a much-poorer England and much-richer London. If they allow it to happen then other bits of Spain (say, Basque) will demand the same, and suddenly you have many small countries.

 

That's why Spain isn't keen. Same reason the USA would never allow California to leave the Union and become one of the richest countries on the face of the planet.

 

Your ignorance is astounding. You cannot compare Catalonia to Nottinghamshire or Milton Keynes. Catalonia has their own language, culture, national anthem, etc. The EU are anti-democratic, they preach that the EU is about peace and promoting democratic values but this is just more lies from them. Thank God the UK is getting out of the fraudulent EU.

But if the required margin was 60/40 and the result was 59-41, then almost 3/5ths of voters would be pretty pissed-off!

So? They would be perfectly entitled to call for another vote just as soon as there is a significant change in circumstances. Most organisations require more than just a simp[le majority to change the constitution. Therefore, it seems reasonable to set the same standard for an entire country. Even Tory ministers admitted that some sort of threshold would have been reasonable for a binding referendum.

Referendums on leaving the kingdom of Spain are illegal under the Spanish constitution. Once you’re in the club you’re in for life. It has nothing to do with the EU.

 

I find it funny that you’re so infavour of Catalan independence and all it entails, and yet so anti-Scottish nationalism. Perhaps it’s only because you wrongly think you have discovered another stick with which to strike the EU.

Referendums on leaving the kingdom of Spain are illegal under the Spanish constitution. Once you’re in the club you’re in for life. It has nothing to do with the EU.

 

I find it funny that you’re so infavour of Catalan independence and all it entails, and yet so anti-Scottish nationalism. Perhaps it’s only because you wrongly think you have discovered another stick with which to strike the EU.

 

You have clearly failed to understand my point. The people in Catalonia have a right to vote for their sovereignty, democracy is for the people not for the state. The EU have been disgustingly quiet about this so far, the EU hate democracy if it doesn't go their way.

 

David Cameron was 100% right to give the people in Scotland a vote on whether they wanted to stay in the UK or not, however I hate the Scottish nationalism which is often combined with a racist anti-English agenda.

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Your ignorance is astounding. You cannot compare Catalonia to Nottinghamshire or Milton Keynes. Catalonia has their own language, culture, national anthem, etc. The EU are anti-democratic, they preach that the EU is about peace and promoting democratic values but this is just more lies from them. Thank God the UK is getting out of the fraudulent EU.

So we can put out future in the hands of the unelected House Of Lords, apart from when May grants herself and her ministers powers to change thousands of laws without parliament having a say.

 

You still seem to be under the impression that the EU is controlled by a handful of unelected bureaucrats who have the power to pass laws within hours of thinking of them. Nothing could be further from the truth.

So we can put out future in the hands of the unelected House Of Lords, apart from when May grants herself and her ministers powers to change thousands of laws without parliament having a say.

 

I thought the purpose was to effectively cut/paste 'expired' EU laws (which already apply here, don't forget) back onto the statute books once we leave?

I thought the purpose was to effectively cut/paste 'expired' EU laws (which already apply here, don't forget) back onto the statute books once we leave?

That's only half the act. The remainder is the granting of so-called Henry VIII powers that will allow our government to alter and 'adjust' those laws as they see fit without the appropriate parliamentary oversight.

So we can put out future in the hands of the unelected House Of Lords, apart from when May grants herself and her ministers powers to change thousands of laws without parliament having a say.

 

You still seem to be under the impression that the EU is controlled by a handful of unelected bureaucrats who have the power to pass laws within hours of thinking of them. Nothing could be further from the truth.

 

I want to be governed by the UK parliament only, and not by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels led by President Juncker.

I want to be governed by the UK parliament only, and not by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels led by President Juncker.

THE EU IS NOT CONTROLLED BY THE BUREAUCRATS

That's only half the act. The remainder is the granting of so-called Henry VIII powers that will allow our government to alter and 'adjust' those laws as they see fit without the appropriate parliamentary oversight.

 

Not to mention stifling any sort of debate by legislating for a majority on crucial legislative committees that drive the Commons agenda. Nothing sinister about that though, I'm sure they've got all their vested interests our best interests at heart.

THE EU IS NOT CONTROLLED BY THE BUREAUCRATS

 

Oh wow, you've added a font size to your sentence.

 

The UK Brexit negotiations are with the EU bureaucrats, not with the EU Parliament and not with the EU council. Michel Barnier is the head EU negotiator and yet another EU bureaucrat.

Let's have a quick revision on the actual structure of the European Union shall we?

 

And now I see that the EU commission with these unelected EU bureaucrats have declared they are very close to triggering Article 7 on Poland. History repeating itself.

In July. They declared this in JULY. It helps to read the date when searching for conspiracy theories.

In July. They declared this in JULY. It helps to read the date when searching for conspiracy theories.

 

The people in Catalonia are now demanding where the EU response is. What a dilemma for the EU, are they for the Spanish government or the people in Catalonia.

Probably going off-topic now, but it is odd that the Spanish government have taken this stance though. Surely this is just going to persuade more people to vote for independence and toughen the stance of those who were uncertain. Surely a better approach would have been to let the vote happen peacefully, and then declare a positive result to be void as it breaks the 1978 Spanish Constitution.

Probably going off-topic now, but it is odd that the Spanish government have taken this stance though. Surely this is just going to persuade more people to vote for independence and toughen the stance of those who were uncertain. Surely a better approach would have been to let the vote happen peacefully, and then declare a positive result to be void as it breaks the 1978 Spanish Constitution.

 

Exactly my view.

 

It is bewildering that they did this, especially when, even if everyone voted, only arund 41% would have been for independence according to polls.

 

I knew this would happn due to them stationing police off the coast in ships, but it is just the most ridiculous option they had.

 

Oh wow, you've added a font size to your sentence.

 

The UK Brexit negotiations are with the EU bureaucrats, not with the EU Parliament and not with the EU council. Michel Barnier is the head EU negotiator and yet another EU bureaucrat.

The message wasn't getting through so I thought I'd make it more obvious.

 

Yes, the negotiations are largely conducted by bureaucrats (on both sides). However, the final deal has to be ratified by the elected European Parliament and the elected governments of all 27 other member states. In Belgium's case it also has to be ratified by the elected regional parliaments.

 

Who do you think writes UK legislation? Civil servants or ministers?

The message wasn't getting through so I thought I'd make it more obvious.

 

Yes, the negotiations are largely conducted by bureaucrats (on both sides). However, the final deal has to be ratified by the elected European Parliament and the elected governments of all 27 other member states. In Belgium's case it also has to be ratified by the elected regional parliaments.

Who do you think writes UK legislation? Civil servants or ministers?

 

Haha boosh!!

 

That takes the wind out of their ranting

Oh that won't be a problem, since nothing will change my opinion that we're better out than in.

So why not admit that, rather than insisting that everyone is just as clueless?