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EU membership gave these countries (and those in Eastern Europe) something to aspire to. The (rather pathetic) attempted coup in Spain on the eve of their accession was seen by the military as their last opportunity to grab power.

 

I'd never heard about that attempted coup in Spain until now - although then again I must admit my knowledge of Spanish history in the 2nd half of the 20th century is quite limited - they definitely didn't teach it at school, which is surprising, as I imagine some of it would be quite useful to know.

 

Was the coup related to EU accession though? I looked up a little about it and the coup took part in 1981, and Spain joined the EU in 1986 (unless you mean their accession to democracy, or there was another coup I'm unaware of, for which I apologize in advance for the misunderstanding).

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I'd never heard about that attempted coup in Spain until now - although then again I must admit my knowledge of Spanish history in the 2nd half of the 20th century is quite limited - they definitely didn't teach it at school, which is surprising, as I imagine some of it would be quite useful to know.

 

Was the coup related to EU accession though? I looked up a little about it and the coup took part in 1981, and Spain joined the EU in 1986 (unless you mean their accession to democracy, or there was another coup I'm unaware of, for which I apologize in advance for the misunderstanding).

I must have misremembered! It was certainly an attempt to end the country's path to becoming a modern democracy.

Only blinkered people would think it was worthless. Blinkered with anxieties about juggernauts apparently, and unable to give any credit whatsoever, however much deserved. Thanks for the sanity, Simon!

 

If I had a penny for every time someone here misinterpreted my comments... :rolleyes:

 

There's a difference between my saying I don't trust the EU, and your claim that I give it no credit whatsoever.

 

 

You can be assured I will give it the same consideration Remainers give the URL's I post... ;)

 

If I had a penny for every time someone here misinterpreted my comments... :rolleyes:

 

There's a difference between my saying I don't trust the EU, and your claim that I give it no credit whatsoever.

You can be assured I will give it the same consideration Remainers give the URL's I post... ;)

 

I hate the EU no matter what.

 

 

From the Telegraph

 

Britain is £490billion poorer than thought and no longer has any reserve of net foreign assets to help protect against any damage to the economy from Brexit.

The revision to the national accounts in the ONS’s so-called Blue Book means that the UK’s net international investment position has collapsed from a surplus of £469bn to a net deficit of £22bn - equivalent to a quarter of GDP.

The revised figures show the country owns far fewer international assets and owes far more to foreign investors than previously thought.

“Half a trillion pounds has gone missing,” said Mark Capleton, the UK rates strategist at Bank of America.

The effective write down in the value of “UK plc” could make it harder to defend sterling and the British debt markets against a run on the pound after Britain leaves the European Union.

It comes as the Brexit talks in Brussels reach a crucial stage.

Treasury officials are already braced for “gloomy” OECD forecasts which are due to give its two yearly update on the state of the UK economy tomorrow.

The ONS overestimated how many financial assets Britons own overseas and foreign investment in the UK.

Company profits were lower than forecast, and a large amount of supposed assets held by firms were in fact disguised forms of lending to UK households.

The revision is disturbing given that foreign direct investment into Britain has collapsed, plummeting from a net £120bn in the first half of last year to a net outflow of £25bn this year.

The apparent resilience of these flows shortly after the Brexit referendum was an illusion, since the funds had already been committed earlier.

The Bank of New York Mellon, the world’s biggest custodian of assets, said there had been a marked deterioration over recent weeks in purchases of sterling stocks and bonds by ‘real money’ players such as pension funds and sovereign wealth funds.

Simon Derrick, the bank’s currency strategist, said: “The outflows from the UK began in mid-August. The big buyers are disappearing.”

Charlie Elphicke, a Tory member of the House of Commons Treasury select committee, said: "These shifts of notional wealth do not affect the decision the country has made to leave the EU.

"Yet they do underline the importance of being ready one on day of Brexit so the country can forge ahead and be successful in the future."

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/1...k-490bn-poorer/

Paywall time. :(

 

From what I could see though, I don't think the article was blaming Brexit for making the money 'disappear'? :unsure:

 

are we reading the same article?

 

The lies about the economy being robust following Brexit, and with contingencies available, have just been shown to be all lies. Foreign investors wont touch the UK with a bargepole because they are perefctly confident our economy is going down the toilet.

 

Happy to translate complex words and concepts for you any time you need it.

 

Bearing in mind we HAVEN'T LEFT YET, it makes the Brexit liars look like the complete morons they are. Which is why saint Theresa is in the EU right now trying to salvage some sort of self-respect for her and the Twatty Trio and the UK.

 

tick tick tick....

This means the EU is gonna lose even more respect for their team.

 

Where did that money go?? Corruption or just general Tory Bullington boy Gideon incompetence? Or both :o

 

Funny how the mainstream media hasn"t touched the story with a bargepole. If this was Labour to blame, it would hve had huge headlines blaring from tv, splashed across the papers, and repeated ad nauseum for 20 years. Of course being shown as incompetent with the economy prwtty much destroys the Tory brand. Oops.

To give a fair reading city am reports the gov states article figures as not very important and disputes the assumption the economy is not strong. Back to normal figs they say. I'll let those with an economics background comment if needed either way.

It's hard to keep up with the idiotic statements coming from some quarters but here are a couple more to be going on with.

 

Chris Grayling (one of the dimmest members of an exceptionally dim Cabinet) has suggested that we can grow more of our own food if we leave the EU with no deal. This, of course, is true but there are a number of major issues. First, we would have to accept that many of the fruit and vegetables we enjoy would only be available for part of the year. I prefer to buy British produce and readily accept that that means I generally only eat seasonal produce. I even accept that I can only get asparagus for a couple months per year. However, I'm not sure a lot of Leave voters do the same.

 

Second, who is going to pick all this produce? We know that most Britons don't want to do it for pitiful wages. Unless farmers start paying better wages, all this new produce will just rot in the fields.

 

Unfortunately, idiocy is not confined to Leave supporters. The Observer reported yesterday that many Remain-supporting Tory MPs are refusing to back any amendments to the EU Withdrawal Bill that have been signed by Jeremy Corbyn. Surely even Leave supporters would agree that this is pathetically childish.

It's hard to keep up with the idiotic statements coming from some quarters but here are a couple more to be going on with.

 

Chris Grayling (one of the dimmest members of an exceptionally dim Cabinet) has suggested that we can grow more of our own food if we leave the EU with no deal. This, of course, is true but there are a number of major issues. First, we would have to accept that many of the fruit and vegetables we enjoy would only be available for part of the year. I prefer to buy British produce and readily accept that that means I generally only eat seasonal produce. I even accept that I can only get asparagus for a couple months per year. However, I'm not sure a lot of Leave voters do the same.

 

Second, who is going to pick all this produce? We know that most Britons don't want to do it for pitiful wages. Unless farmers start paying better wages, all this new produce will just rot in the fields.

 

Unfortunately, idiocy is not confined to Leave supporters. The Observer reported yesterday that many Remain-supporting Tory MPs are refusing to back any amendments to the EU Withdrawal Bill that have been signed by Jeremy Corbyn. Surely even Leave supporters would agree that this is pathetically childish.

 

Ys he's very dim. We can grow more if it's profitable for farmers to grow it - without the EU subsidies that's looking dubious. It may also mean less meat-production (hooray! something Brexit-related I can get behind!) in order to make land available for crops. Sadly for meat-munchers that would mean higher prices, and I look forward to seeing rows of bananas, oranges and grapes being grown on the Scottish hillsides and tea and coffee plantations sprawling majestically across the plains of Torquay. Presumably that must be the plan, or heaven forbid, we'd have to import them!

 

Sounds like more food banks for more people to me....oops!

Ys he's very dim. We can grow more if it's profitable for farmers to grow it - without the EU subsidies that's looking dubious. It may also mean less meat-production (hooray! something Brexit-related I can get behind!) in order to make land available for crops. Sadly for meat-munchers that would mean higher prices, and I look forward to seeing rows of bananas, oranges and grapes being grown on the Scottish hillsides and tea and coffee plantations sprawling majestically across the plains of Torquay. Presumably that must be the plan, or heaven forbid, we'd have to import them!

 

Sounds like more food banks for more people to me....oops!

 

I doubt bananas or coffee grow anywhere in the EU anyway. :teresa:

I doubt bananas or coffee grow anywhere in the EU anyway. :teresa:

No but we would have to set out new trade deals with those that do :teresa:

Here is an article on Brexit from a long time usenet acquaintance of mine...

 

https://englandcalling.wordpress.com/2017/1...ogic-of-brexit/

 

Hilarious! Are you sure you didn't write it really, and are just being modest? Pretty much lifted from all of your statements on here over the last 18 months, filled with lies, inflammatory words, opinion and distortion. Pretty much the only accurate statement is "Leave won the referendum", the rest boils down to shoddy justifications for:

 

"I hate the EU no matter what" (and anyone who doesn't agree with me, traitors, spit)

 

and

 

"We won nananannanannanna so there" (and democratic rights to challenge assumptions are also the actions of undemocratic traitors).

 

I could annihilate it sentence by sentence but really pretty much every statement in it has been mentioned already and demolished comprehensively, so I won't bother.

 

Thanks though.

Hilarious! Are you sure you didn't write it really, and are just being modest? Pretty much lifted from all of your statements on here over the last 18 months, filled with lies, inflammatory words, opinion and distortion. Pretty much the only accurate statement is "Leave won the referendum", the rest boils down to shoddy justifications for:

 

"I hate the EU no matter what" (and anyone who doesn't agree with me, traitors, spit)

 

and

 

"We won nananannanannanna so there" (and democratic rights to challenge assumptions are also the actions of undemocratic traitors).

 

I could annihilate it sentence by sentence but really pretty much every statement in it has been mentioned already and demolished comprehensively, so I won't bother.

 

Thanks though.

 

Alas I didn't write it, though I wish I had.

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