They vote for Labour. How many times!!

 

That's too simplistic an explanation - the longer an MP has served a constituency, the larger a personal vote they tend to build up. This can shelter them significantly from adverse national vote swings against their party. e,g Simon Hughes in Southwark & Bermondsey

Party allegiance comes before MPs. They might be persuaded not to swing against their party with a longstanding MP, but will not support said MP, especially after negative local press and calls of no confidence, vs said party. Completely different. Sorry.

STV in Westminster can't come soon enough.

Boris Johnston got into trouble today for making derogatory remarks about Muslim women who wear the veil. This news should be relief to Labour, as it should move attention away from Labour's racism problems.

 

So they'll be hoping that nobody picks up on the fact that Labour's John McDonnell is due to share a platform at a Momentum-run conference next month with Jean Luc Melénchon, an also-ran in the French Presidential election last year, who called for the burka to be banned in France.

Party allegiance comes before MPs. They might be persuaded not to swing against their party with a longstanding MP, but will not support said MP, especially after negative local press and calls of no confidence, vs said party. Completely different. Sorry.

 

I disagree - I can recall a couple of occasions where a deselected/disaffected MP has run against the official party candidate, and either won, or scared the sh1t out of them...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Taverne

 

It also happened in one of the Welsh valley seats.

fake news?

 

"Jeremy Corbin, Prime Minister

‏

 

@CorbynSnap

7h7 hours ago

 

Delighted to join in Islamic prayer as part of a ceremony honouring terrorists who brutally slaughtered innocent Olympic athletes. Obviously, however, I wouldn’t sing my country’s national anthem, as that would have been bad. Make me Prime Minister. #JC4PM"

 

As someone who watched the news footage of the murders with horror, I think I can say fairly that the terrorists weren't heroes, they were terrorists. That doesn't mean I support inhumane Israel policy on Palestine, nor does it mean I fail to recognise the Holocaust.

fake news?

 

"Jeremy Corbin, Prime Minister

‏

 

@CorbynSnap

7h7 hours ago

 

Delighted to join in Islamic prayer as part of a ceremony honouring terrorists who brutally slaughtered innocent Olympic athletes. Obviously, however, I wouldn’t sing my country’s national anthem, as that would have been bad. Make me Prime Minister. #JC4PM"

 

As someone who watched the news footage of the murders with horror, I think I can say fairly that the terrorists weren't heroes, they were terrorists. That doesn't mean I support inhumane Israel policy on Palestine, nor does it mean I fail to recognise the Holocaust.

 

For the first time I have a little sympathy for Mr Corbyn - I know what it's like to be expected to express an opinion on anything I'm asked about, even if I prefer to keep it to myself because anything I say would appear to be just virtue signalling.

Actually it was fake news.

 

He went to a memorial service of Palestinians killed on a bus in an 1980 airstrike

 

I think he should have sent a representative other than himself as he seems kinda clueless that the press and alt right facebook sites will use it to hound him

 

Sometimes you have to play the game

Actually it was fake news.

 

He went to a memorial service of Palestinians killed on a bus in an 1980 airstrike

 

I think he should have sent a representative other than himself as he seems kinda clueless that the press and alt right facebook sites will use it to hound him

 

Sometimes you have to play the game

 

Jeremy Corbyn literally wrote an article saying that he was commemorating those terrorists. To quote someone on Twitter who put it better than I ever could - "Corbyn can do something, be photographed doing it, wrote an article HIMSELF about doing it, and his supporters will resolutely swear it didn’t happen. What hope do we have left as a country?"

 

Perhaps the media would stop hounding him if he didn't engage in such terrible behaviour in the first place.

 

 

Jeremy Corbyn literally wrote an article saying that he was commemorating those terrorists. To quote someone on Twitter who put it better than I ever could - "Corbyn can do something, be photographed doing it, wrote an article HIMSELF about doing it, and his supporters will resolutely swear it didn’t happen. What hope do we have left as a country?"

 

Sounds like a certain POTUS... :P

Jeremy Corbyn literally wrote an article saying that he was commemorating those terrorists. To quote someone on Twitter who put it better than I ever could - "Corbyn can do something, be photographed doing it, wrote an article HIMSELF about doing it, and his supporters will resolutely swear it didn’t happen. What hope do we have left as a country?"

 

Perhaps the media would stop hounding him if he didn't engage in such terrible behaviour in the first place.

 

Where is this article?

 

His Facebook page actually says this was a misrepresentation in the press AGAIN. He was not commemorating terrorists.

Where is this article?

 

It is this article here. I was reluctant to post the link as it is from the Morning Star, but there you go.

 

 

 

It is this article here. I was reluctant to post the link as it is from the Morning Star, but there you go.

 

I'd have though that would be Bilbo Ballbaggin's bible. :heehee:

well just to be clear I don't attack Corbyn with lies, I prefer to use inconvenient facts that nobody has any rationale supporting him over.

 

well there's a thing part 2....

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/a...witch-to-remain

 

Makes great reading for Jeremy Corbyn fans and Labour supporters as the useless campaign he ran for the referendum (being as he hates the EU) means he needs to do an about face if he wants to actually have any voters.

 

"Trigger Article 50 immediately!!!" he stated the next morning, sweating with excitement that his dream had at long last come true, and having not an ounce of care what it would do to the economy, or else just being a bit thick about the most important voting event in British 21st century politics.

 

I know I'm repeating myself here, but facts is facts, and I'm going to keep reminding everyone about it until he's forced to do what his supporters actually want. Man of principle? No. Man blinkered by his own beliefs even when faced with the reality of economic destruction.

 

Why I don't like Corbyn:

 

He's a hypocrite (many examples previously given)

 

He has done almost nothing since gaining office other than allow old-time lefties to get a foothold again and allowed the troops to slander and attack fellow labour party members who tolerated his own disloyalty for 30 odd years without turning him into a target of loathing and vitriol.

 

He has in the past, recent and distant, supported terrorists. This is a fact. One can support civil rights and righteous issues in foreign nations without supporting terrorists and violence. To criticise some regimes for doing one thing and support others for doing the exact same thing does not make it right. The actions of a sensible leader is to use whatever peaceful means you have, and that means economic and political muscle. It's rather telling that the man he wants arrested as War Criminal is the man who brought peace to Northern Ireland (along with others), and he is now still supporting Brexit which threatens that achievement.

 

aaaand so on and so on....

 

 

well just to be clear I don't attack Corbyn with lies, I prefer to use inconvenient facts that nobody has any rationale supporting him over.

 

well there's a thing part 2....

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/a...witch-to-remain

 

What a pity a certain person doesn't believe in polls, or he might have made a big deal about this. :teresa:

What a pity a certain person doesn't believe in polls, or he might have made a big deal about this. :teresa:

 

what a pity a certain person believes in democratic referendums when the polls clearly show a desire for same - unless he has the result he wants and suddenly doesn't believe in referendums when the polls show an even clearer desire for a referendum than the previous one.... :teresa:

what a pity a certain person believes in democratic referendums when the polls clearly show a desire for same - unless he has the result he wants and suddenly doesn't believe in referendums when the polls show an even clearer desire for a referendum than the previous one.... :teresa:

 

Ah, but if a follow-up referenda produced the result *you* wanted, then public opinion changed again, back towards Brexit, wouldn't you resist yet another vote?

 

I should also point out that, when asked here, I haven't opposed the idea of a 2nd referendum. only the timing of it.

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Ah, but if a follow-up referenda produced the result *you* wanted, then public opinion changed again, back towards Brexit, wouldn't you resist yet another vote?

 

I should also point out that, when asked here, I haven't opposed the idea of a 2nd referendum. only the timing of it.

 

moved to EU thread...

Can I repeat an opinion poll that seems to reflect the general mood (of everyone Ive talked to about it over the last 18 months) on the leadership skills of our 2 candidates to run the country? I'm not sure on how the question was phrased, but I assume it was:

 

"Who is the best person to lead the country, a useless woman who said Brexit means Brexit, dithered over a fatal fire, called an unnecessary election which backfired disastrously, had major resignations from the party cabinet she is unable to unify, and has done virtually nothing in 2 years to prepare for the very things she promised, or Jeremy Corbyn?"

 

YouGov: May: about a third, Corbyn quite a bit less than a third.

 

The rest of the opinions opted for a strong, stable brick.

 

Probably.

 

Ooopsy Jeremy Corbyn, those leadership skills just not coming through yet as articles start to appear about his campaigning to free some terrorist bombers who targeted British Jewish buildings back in 1994. I presume he had some very good evidence of their innocence, other than the website links to an organisation that claimed Israeli intelligence was responsible for car bombing Jewish citizens in the UK. Certainly that would be a bit of a departure from the history of every Jewish organisation ever, and quite the scoop.

 

The 2 bombers remain in prison. Mr Corbyn hasnt clarified what evidence he saw that made his support so vital to a "miscarriage of justice" but I'm sure the police would love to see it.

 

Still, he has just slagged off a labour MP for anti-semitic remarks so it's all right then....

Still, he has just slagged off a labour MP for anti-semitic remarks so it's all right then....

 

Correction - he just slagged off a FORMER MP for anti-Semitic remarks, which allows him to have the ambience of a tough line in anti-Semitism, without having to discipline any Labour MPs with actual power who may or may not currently represent a constituency in Derbyshire.