Not tha doing so will make one iota of difference to the young Corbynistas anyway. At this point Jeremy Corbyn could do anything, even, to give a hypothetical and definitely made up example, express support for a vile, anti-Semetic cartoon on a secret Facebook group, and the Corbynistas would still support him whole heartedly, ranting and raving about the RIGHT WING TORY PRESS and the like.

 

Although I imagine if Jeremy Corbyn was to do such a hypothetical thing, true to form he would create a distraction by doing something major that would move the story away from such activity, something such as, to give hypothetical examples, an incredibly divisive new policy, or the sacking of a prominent shadow minister.

Not tha doing so will make one iota of difference to the young Corbynistas anyway. At this point Jeremy Corbyn could do anything, even, to give a hypothetical and definitely made up example, express support for a vile, anti-Semetic cartoon on a secret Facebook group, and the Corbynistas would still support him whole heartedly, ranting and raving about the RIGHT WING TORY PRESS and the like.

 

Although I imagine if Jeremy Corbyn was to do such a hypothetical thing, true to form he would create a distraction by doing something major that would move the story away from such activity, something such as, to give hypothetical examples, an incredibly divisive new policy, or the sacking of a prominent shadow minister.

So you are saying that Corbyn is just Boris Johnson with a beard and a red rosette? :P

There are rumours that John Woodcock is going to resign the Labour whip in protest of Jeremy Corbyn, in particular due to his sacking of Owen Smith & his attitudes towards Russia. Ever since Corbyn was elected, there has been talk of the Labour "moderates" resigning and forming a new party (a move that I cannot say I am really behind), but this could be the first signs that it could be a reality.

well that would certainly hand the Tories power wouldnt it? It almost looks like he would prefer that to Labour actually doing what the majority of its supporters want and take a sensible Brexit stance and question the honesty in PMQ of the Leave financial campaign. I mean it's not as if it's of any significance or anything that the biggest political event of our lifetimes which split the country, the Labour Party and the Tory Party might have been run dishonestly or something, and Corbyn being a weak 7/10 on the issue of Europe clearly feels much more strongly about Vlad having an exit clause. One gets mentioned in Parliament, t'other doesn't, so he MUST feel it's a strong 8/10 that he doesn't point the finger at Putin till he's forced to and when the rest of the world seems fairly convinced (even Bestie Trump) that it wasn't some rogue Russian Mafia. Why would it be? Most of them live in London*

 

* NOTE: Sarcasm not a statement of fact. Other than incidental long lines of dead Russians or associates in odd circumstances all coincidentally not fond of Putin and definitely not at the hands of persons unknown (presumably expelled now)

well that would certainly hand the Tories power wouldnt it? It almost looks like he would prefer that to Labour actually doing what the majority of its supporters want and take a sensible Brexit stance and question the honesty in PMQ of the Leave financial campaign. I mean it's not as if it's of any significance or anything that the biggest political event of our lifetimes which split the country, the Labour Party and the Tory Party might have been run dishonestly or something, and Corbyn being a weak 7/10 on the issue of Europe clearly feels much more strongly about Vlad having an exit clause.

 

It would be like 1983 again, with a fatally split opposition handing the Tories a large majority on a relatively modest share of the vote : 42.4% vs 27.6% for Lab & 25.4% for Lib/SDP.

 

This is something else that STV could help with, as Labour supporters could then choose between hard-liners & moderates (or Remainers/Leavers), without undermining the party's overall vote share. This would apply to other parties as well, of course.

well that would certainly hand the Tories power wouldnt it? It almost looks like he would prefer that to Labour actually doing what the majority of its supporters want and take a sensible Brexit stance and question the honesty in PMQ of the Leave financial campaign. I mean it's not as if it's of any significance or anything that the biggest political event of our lifetimes which split the country, the Labour Party and the Tory Party might have been run dishonestly or something, and Corbyn being a weak 7/10 on the issue of Europe clearly feels much more strongly about Vlad having an exit clause. One gets mentioned in Parliament, t'other doesn't, so he MUST feel it's a strong 8/10 that he doesn't point the finger at Putin till he's forced to and when the rest of the world seems fairly convinced (even Bestie Trump) that it wasn't some rogue Russian Mafia. Why would it be? Most of them live in London*

 

* NOTE: Sarcasm not a statement of fact. Other than incidental long lines of dead Russians or associates in odd circumstances all coincidentally not fond of Putin and definitely not at the hands of persons unknown (presumably expelled now)

Trump has maintained a rare silence on the Skripal attack. The US has indeed expelled 60 "diplomats" but Trump himself doesn't seem to have found the time to bash out a Tweet with his stubby fingers.

It would be like 1983 again, with a fatally split opposition handing the Tories a large majority on a relatively modest share of the vote : 42.4% vs 27.6% for Lab & 25.4% for Lib/SDP.

 

This is something else that STV could help with, as Labour supporters could then choose between hard-liners & moderates (or Remainers/Leavers), without undermining the party's overall vote share. This would apply to other parties as well, of course.

That has always been my principal reason for thinking STV is the best voting system. It has always seemed ridiculous that, for example, a moderate Tory voter in one part of Somerset has little choice but to vote for Jack Mogg while a similarly moderate Labour voter in part of what was once Middlesex has to vote for John McDonnell.

good to know that Corbyn has changed his mind about Parliament having a free vote on important matters, like sending missiles to Syria. I look forward to his adoption of this for the final critical vote of Brexit which will affect this country, rather than a foreign one that he no doubt wants refugees from to be let into the UK to help instead of sitting and doing nothing and allowing mass murder to carry on.

Is she an innocent victim of the 'nasty media' again? :rolleyes:

 

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/diane-ab...ng-row-1.462370

 

 

 

 

Yet another Labour abstention last night. Added to the others:

 

On a Tory bill for an early EU referendum

On retrospectively depriving workfare victims of compensation

On the right of civil servants to strike

On rejecting the siting of nuclear weapons in Scotland

On condemning the Iraq war

On free tuition for students

On minimum pricing of alcohol

On opposing the top-rate tax cut from 50p to 45p

On opposing savage cuts to public-sector pensions

On stopping fuel-duty increases

On maintaining concessionary bus travel for the elderly

On massive pay rises for councillors

On the criminalisation of squatting

On reducing VAT from 20% to 17.5%

On the Scottish budget

On brutal immigration reforms

On fracking

On the bedroom tax

On savage welfare cuts and the benefits cap

On welfare cuts again

 

WHEN will people wake up?

Yet another Labour abstention last night. Added to the others:

 

On a Tory bill for an early EU referendum

On retrospectively depriving workfare victims of compensation

On the right of civil servants to strike

On rejecting the siting of nuclear weapons in Scotland

On condemning the Iraq war

On free tuition for students

On minimum pricing of alcohol

On opposing the top-rate tax cut from 50p to 45p

On opposing savage cuts to public-sector pensions

On stopping fuel-duty increases

On maintaining concessionary bus travel for the elderly

On massive pay rises for councillors

On the criminalisation of squatting

On reducing VAT from 20% to 17.5%

On the Scottish budget

On brutal immigration reforms

On fracking

On the bedroom tax

On savage welfare cuts and the benefits cap

On welfare cuts again

 

WHEN will people wake up?

 

Hi Andrew, do you have a source to back up Labour abstaining on all (or most) of these issues? Because there are quite a few there that I am pretty sure that Labour voted against (plus I have a natural scepticism for long lists of allegations).

Hi Andrew, do you have a source to back up Labour abstaining on all (or most) of these issues? Because there are quite a few there that I am pretty sure that Labour voted against (plus I have a natural scepticism for long lists of allegations).

I got the list from here, the evidence is hyperlinked and is mostly articles on the same website but they’re backed up by facts.

John Woodcock, who has been highly critical of Labour under Jeremy Corbyn's leadership, has been suspended from the party over alleged sexual harassment.

Jared "Michelle McManus won Pop Idol because she's fat" O'Mara has been reinstated as a Labour Party MP. Will be interesting to see if there is any blowback as a result of this - I imagine this is a possible "good day to bury bad news" story, given how many other big stories there are at the moment, including England's match this evening.

Jared "Michelle McManus won Pop Idol because she's fat" O'Mara has been reinstated as a Labour Party MP. Will be interesting to see if there is any blowback as a result of this - I imagine this is a possible "good day to bury bad news" story, given how many other big stories there are at the moment, including England's match this evening.

Does this mean he's actually going to turn up? I think it is fair to assume that the convenient timing is not a coincidence.

Jared "Michelle McManus won Pop Idol because she's fat" O'Mara has been reinstated as a Labour Party MP. Will be interesting to see if there is any blowback as a result of this - I imagine this is a possible "good day to bury bad news" story, given how many other big stories there are at the moment, including England's match this evening.

 

A real credit to Corbyn's Labour Party, and no doubt a figurehead of the future.

Emma's Diary, a company providing support to pregnant women and new mums, has been fined over £140k for illegally selling their customer's data to the Labour Party ahead of the 2017 General Election.

 

Just as well there's a big football match on tonight, otherwise this may have been a bigger story.

Emma's Diary, a company providing support to pregnant women and new mums, has been fined over £140k for illegally selling their customer's data to the Labour Party ahead of the 2017 General Election.

 

Just as well there's a big football match on tonight, otherwise this may have been a bigger story.

 

Amazing. That gets spotted while Leave.UK and Aaron Banks connected crooked firms can use data provided by a car insurance online quote company (customers have to agree to share their data with "partners") and seemingly get away with it to date. Details in the Brexit thread...

Recently reinstated MP Jared O'Mara has quit the Labour party.

 

Jared "Michelle McManus won Pop Idol because she's fat" O'Mara has been reinstated as a Labour Party MP. Will be interesting to see if there is any blowback as a result of this - I imagine this is a possible "good day to bury bad news" story, given how many other big stories there are at the moment, including England's match this evening.

 

Well that lasted long - unfortunately no by-election in the offing as he is apparently going to stay on as an 'independent'. I get that he suffers from autism, but all his public statements have shown little contrition for his behaviour in the past.

Recently reinstated MP Jared O'Mara has quit the Labour party.

Well that lasted long - unfortunately no by-election in the offing as he is apparently going to stay on as an 'independent'. I get that he suffers from autism, but all his public statements have shown little contrition for his behaviour in the past.

 

Well done Sheffield Hallam, that went well didn't it?

 

Consequences are always a thing.