EXACTLY!

 

Chris in a thread the other day accused me of resorting to a personal swipe instead of trying to debate, which isn't true. Whenever I or anyone else has tried using reason to pull either of them up on some of the things they come out with they'll either ignore it totally, in Chris' case the best you'll get is some glib moronic comment like "the Tories have compassion" or like he's still doing - taking everything known compulsive liar Boris Johnson says as gospel truth ("I know it's true, Boris said so himself this morning" :rolleyes: ), or in vidcapper's case he'll quote a tiny part of the post and just be facetious for the sake of it.

 

It's not hard to understand why some of us get frustrated when these two basically stick their fingers in their ears and go "la la la". If ignorance is bliss, those two are ecstatic.

 

:no1: :no1: :no1: :no1:

 

There's really no point in arguing with either of them.

 

My typos, they're out of control!

 

you cannot counter your opponents arguments rationally.

 

 

:unsure: :unsure:

EXACTLY!

 

Chris in a thread the other day accused me of resorting to a personal swipe instead of trying to debate, which isn't true. Whenever I or anyone else has tried using reason to pull either of them up on some of the things they come out with they'll either ignore it totally, in Chris' case the best you'll get is some glib moronic comment like "the Tories have compassion" or like he's still doing - taking everything known compulsive liar Boris Johnson says as gospel truth ("I know it's true, Boris said so himself this morning" :rolleyes: ), or in vidcapper's case he'll quote a tiny part of the post and just be facetious for the sake of it.

 

It's not hard to understand why some of us get frustrated when these two basically stick their fingers in their ears and go "la la la". If ignorance is bliss, those two are ecstatic.

 

Have you considered the possibility that I only do that because you won't take my pro-Brexit position seriously?

Have you considered the possibility that I only do that because you won't take my pro-Brexit position seriously?

A circular argument really. We don't take your opinion seriously cause you are yet to back them up with any facts

A circular argument really. We don't take your opinion seriously cause you are yet to back them up with any facts

 

NO! You simply reject reject my facts! :angry:

And what facts are these?

And what facts are these?

 

Read my numerous previous posts for that info.

 

I have. And I repeat:

 

And what facts are these?

 

This Tweet is spot on.

 

Corbyn:

 

-No to May's deal

-No to Boris deal

-No to No deal

-No to Election x3 offers

-Yes to repeating two referendums we've already had.

 

Labour are causing constant political paralysis.

That fool Corbyn's supporting £15 an hour pay for McDonalds workers who are threatening to strike over poor pay and unpredictable no. of working hours. What planet is the guy on? Relatively unskilled work too.

 

If they get it every other fast food worker and maybe shop workers would want it too.

 

 

 

Last year, in the UK alone,

@McDonalds

made profits of £341 million.

 

Yet it doesn't pay its workers enough to get by.

 

So they're organising for £15 an hour, guaranteed hours each week and union recognition.

 

Here's how to join their campaign: https://tuc.org.uk/mcstrike #McStrike

Edited October 26, 20195 yr by Freddie Kruger

And they should get it. Why did wages stop going up with inflation? Describing it as an easy job or unskilled is not giving the effort credit.

And they should get it. Why did wages stop going up with inflation? Describing it as an easy job or unskilled is not giving the effort credit.

 

 

£15 an hour for flipping a few burgers or serving at the counter? Don't be ridiculous. Almost 28 grand a year. Some graduates only start on that after 3 years's studying. You'll just open the floodgates. Cleaners in London get around £12 an hour, much less up North.

Edited October 26, 20195 yr by Freddie Kruger

Have you worked a fast-food job? No. Jobs that are repetitive and demoralising are really undervalued in our society. It’s a convenience not an essential service, the company is very profitable and they should increase wages. If you are working full time at a fast food place you should be making enough money to live.

But they shouldn't. Graduates were starting on 25k in 2002. And nearly two decades later, they still are. Apply to all jobs. The government and businesses are taking us all for a ride and we are letting them. Everyone should be unionizing and protesting. The system is broken - and not through negligence or oversight, deliberately, to keep the population docile and helpless, a captive audience.

Absolutely, graduates too, even more so because of their investment in education.. Everyone. Wages need to keep up with cost of living to allow society to function, just look at what is happening in Chile right now for what happens when you continually underpay in the name of infinite growth and company above worker. Chile is capitalism’s failure.

Have you worked a fast-food job? No. Jobs that are repetitive and demoralising are really undervalued in our society. It’s a convenience not an essential service, the company is very profitable and they should increase wages. If you are working full time at a fast food place you should be making enough money to live.

 

The critical phrase above is 'It’s a convenience not an essential service' - that means that, unlike services provided by a virtual monopoly like rail, food distribution, rubbish collection, etc, people can easily go elsewhere, thus leaving workers with little leverage - McDonalds on strike, fine I'll just go to Burger King, etc...

 

 

But they shouldn't. Graduates were starting on 25k in 2002. And nearly two decades later, they still are. Apply to all jobs. The government and businesses are taking us all for a ride and we are letting them. Everyone should be unionizing and protesting. The system is broken - and not through negligence or oversight, deliberately, to keep the population docile and helpless, a captive audience.

 

I see Michael/Queef has got a little friend...

 

The critical phrase above is 'It’s a convenience not an essential service' - that means that, unlike services provided by a virtual monopoly like rail, food distribution, rubbish collection, etc, people can easily go elsewhere, thus leaving workers with little leverage - McDonalds on strike, fine I'll just go to Burger King, etc...

 

It isn't just one company. I always wonder how capitalism defenders can morally square away the fact that society requires someone to do a job through public demand, but allows the entity controlling that worker's wages to place them in poverty. Which, if their costs of literally staying alive is made up for on benefits, the net effect is that McDonalds is being subsidised by the government.

 

never mind my personal belief that certain fast food conglomerates are a complete net negative on society and in the long run, when not everyone needs to be in servitude under wage labour, they should fundamentally change or cease to exist

I see Michael/Queef has got a little friend...

 

 

How awful, wanting to be paid a fair wage for my labour! Shoot me now or send me to the gulag.

How awful, wanting to be paid a fair wage for my labour! Shoot me now or send me to the gulag.

 

Like it or not, the market determines the price of labour, and historically, attempts to circumvent that have not turned out well. e.g. massive inflation.

 

Also, while minimum wage employees may find it a struggle, at least they carry no responsibility if the business goes belly-up, and they can easily find other work without a stain on their work record - not the case if you were actually running the business! There's also the 'paying your dues' element - you can't expect to be paid well before you have acquired sufficient skills/experience to deserve it. We've all had sh1tty jobs, but most people up their skills and move on to better jobs.

Absolutely bleak prediction from Lord McNicol for Labour's election chances on Sky news just now. McNicol was a crucial part of Labours 2017 campaign and was adamant what Corbyn did in 2017 he would not be able to repeat. He stopped just short of saying Labour would win if someone else was leading them but pretty obvious that is what he was alluding to. He made several bleak predictions and all of them led to Boris winning a slim majority.

Edited October 28, 20195 yr by Freddie Kruger