No.

 

The argument here is Michael claimed Jeremy Corbyn was not rich. I claimed he was. Michael is claiming Corbyn can't be rich because he's a socialist in a capitalist society.

Source for this?

 

I am not claiming that at all? It seems to be you saying that democratic socialism precludes people from doing well for themselves :lol: I said Corbyn used people power to fund the party, and you started shouting that he is rich??? He is well-off, but not rich like the millionaires in the Tory party and our billionaire oligarchs. Not that it mattets, as long as he didn't abuse his podition or do dodgy deals or exploit workers, sooo????

I am not claiming that at all? It seems to be you saying that democratic socialism precludes people from doing well for themselves :lol: I said Corbyn used people power to fund the party, and you started shouting that he is rich??? He is well-off, but not rich like the millionaires in the Tory party and our billionaire oligarchs. Not that it mattets, as long as he didn't abuse his podition or do dodgy deals or exploit workers, sooo????

 

Not at all Michael, you claimed Corbyn was not rich compared to oligarchs. Yes, I completely get this and would agree, but how many people in the UK are oligarchs and millionaires? Just because there are people far richer than Corbyn does not make him not rich. I'm still waiting for the source that Corbyn wiped out all the Labour Party debts!

No.

 

The argument here is Michael claimed Jeremy Corbyn was not rich. I claimed he was. Michael is claiming Corbyn can't be rich because he's a socialist in a capitalist society.

Source for this?

 

I doubt he’s poor but does it matter is my point!

Just reopened this thread to say: the absolute STATE of the UK Labour Party rn. BIN IT please.

 

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The wheels have come off this bus entirely

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Well...

 

I've read some of it, there's a lot of 'look forwards, not backwards' guff, lots of it is good-sounding if non-committal and vague, it is fits with Starmer's leadership that while it talks about the pandemic, the general tone is 'back to normality' and not 'overhaul the system'. Yet again, no conviction.

 

Also this may well be overshadowed by Starmerites trying to change Labour's electoral system and eschewing getting strong lines about Tory failure out there in favour of picking a fight with their own membership yet again to shore up their desired anti-democratic control of the party.

Yes when we have covid recovery, the climate emergency and the energy price crisis, the leader of our opposition (still -40 approval, I haven't checked recently?) thinks now is the perfect time to change the leadership rules to empower the right wing of the party. :rolleyes:

 

I hope to god that someone challenges this dreadful excuse of a leader during this conference.

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Starmer also appears not to be arsed in the slightest about saving the fortunes of Scottish Labour by continuing to misunderstand and patronise or just ignore 50% of the electorate *including* members of his own party who are nationalists but aren’t SNP voters. There’s even Indy supporting tories ffs (of the blue, and yellowy orange kind as well as the aforementioned red variety)

He makes the mistake of calling the SNP a culture war party when the snp have been so successful in the past 20 - 40 years due to being a social Democratic Party at heart!

So ignorant too. He doesn’t acknowledge that one of the main drivers for Scottish independence is that they get lumbered with Tory governments that they never vote for.

If he says that though he knows he’s undermining the legitimacy of UK government rule in Scotland. That’s why it’s so hard for Labour there since deindustrialisation the snp have taken their mantra and the tories have made a comeback simply due to the polarisation of the independence debate defaultly making them the best party for unionist voters.

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I expect him to be kicked out the Labour Party by starmer by the end of the day

14,000 words and it says absolutely nothing. Focus grouped to death bland nonsense.

 

Forwards marching hard-working families, marching forward into runaway catastrophic climate oblivion shouting 'what do we want?: mediocrity.', 'when do we want it?: not immediately.' Fuck me, so inspiring.

Looks like the Corbyn led faction are going for their one last attack on the Labour Party. Some truly bonkers stuff coming out about the £10ph national minimum wage, the same policy the shadow cabinet member wrote on the green paper, had it voted and accepted on, and then immeditely wants to raise this to £15ph. I suspect a lot of this is in retaliation to the constitution change rather than the actual policy. Can't work out if it's Starmer deciding to push buttons or if people have just gone truly bonkers.

Yes it’s truely bonkers for the Labour Party to try and raise employee wages!

Starmer id absolute TRASH, like I said all along. How is your 20 points ahead neoliberal clown doing for you Harvey and Rooney? :lol:

Sounds fine to me. Starmer is incredibly disappointing, is now actively backing off on the pledges that got him elected (see tweet below), and the only thing he's managed to push through is an anti-democratic measure that makes it easier for his faction to hijack the party.

 

The Tories were on £10 ages ago, Labour needs to outdo them on this if it has any hope of being useful to the workers.

 

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Yes it’s truely bonkers for the Labour Party to try and raise employee wages!

 

 

Sounds fine to me. Starmer is incredibly disappointing, is now actively backing off on the pledges that got him elected (see tweet below), and the only thing he's managed to push through is an anti-democratic measure that makes it easier for his faction to hijack the party.

 

The Tories were on £10 ages ago, Labour needs to outdo them on this if it has any hope of being useful to the workers.

 

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£10 was signed off by the man who resigned and was a Corbyn policy 18 months ago. I'm all for fair wages for workers, but £15 an hour is untenable across small businesses and public sector bodies. It's an arbiatary amount that sits well on a protest banner, but not sure it has any sense in a grown up policy. Just total non-news to me from a hypocrite who signed off the green paper in the first place!

 

I'd love to know how any measures agreed by the Party are anti-democratic. Activist group Momentum called the proposed rule change "an MP veto by the backdoor", adding: "Handing this much power to a Westminster elite is the opposite of democracy." That's an absolute belter of a quote. Handing power to elected officials who are voted in by the general public as opposed to just Labour members is the opposite of democracy apparently :basil:

£10 was signed off by the man who resigned and was a Corbyn policy 18 months ago. I'm all for fair wages for workers, but £15 an hour is untenable across small businesses and public sector bodies. It's an arbiatary amount that sits well on a protest banner, but not sure it has any sense in a grown up policy. Just total non-news to me from a hypocrite who signed off the green paper in the first place!

 

I'd love to know how any measures agreed by the Party are anti-democratic. Activist group Momentum called the proposed rule change "an MP veto by the backdoor", adding: "Handing this much power to a Westminster elite is the opposite of democracy." That's an absolute belter of a quote. Handing power to elected officials who are voted in by the general public as opposed to just Labour members is the opposite of democracy apparently :basil:

 

One person, one vote is the backbone of democracy ;) I suppose we should restrict votes just to the landed class next, eh, because surely they represent the views of those working in their fields?

One person, one vote is the backbone of democracy ;) I suppose we should restrict votes just to the landed class next, eh, because surely they represent the views of those working in their fields?

 

What is the point of an MP if they are not there to make decisons for that we voted them in for?? They are literally the proxy of the people. What the likes of Momentum really mean is the "democracy" is the Labour members, as the general population don't count- great logic. I can appreciate the debate around it, but a certain group of people take democracy for granted and have lost any real conception of what an elected represantive is.