Lol that's so true - and another tweet here which I feel gets Starmer's problem in one:

 

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And on a day when Nandy seems to go rogue re: appearing on picket lines and Truss overtakes Starmer in best PM polling by one point.

The problem is that a Labour leader has to be twice as good as a Tory leader as the Tories have the unfair system, right wing press, donations etc behind them. Johnson did so terribly that Starmer could rely on that but if Truss (because let's face it will be her) starts to outpoll Starmer and Tories retake the lead over Labour then maybe another leader is just what they need.

 

Another leader who is going to fall in to the same traps and lose another general election? No thanks. Truss will bounce in the polls inevitably, but the winter will bite hard and people forget the fact she is bloody hopeless and an absolute gift to Labour. Tax cuts make absolutely zero sense unless people are in the top percent, saving 1p income tax vs depth of public services is terrible business logic for anyone under six figures at the very least. Let's get in to power and then make the changes.

 

 

 

Understand but one of the Conservative's many advantages is that their leader is always underestimated like Johnson was. And it really does all hinge upon Truss being crap and failing to deliver, there is nothing positive or clear coming from the Labour camp. But it will be what it will be.

Understand but one of the Conservative's many advantages is that their leader is always underestimated like Johnson was. And it really does all hinge upon Truss being crap and failing to deliver, there is nothing positive or clear coming from the Labour camp. But it will be what it will be.

 

Was Johnson ever underestimated? I don't think he was, as horrible a man he was he was box office for the Tories. The only person who underestimated him was the Lib Dem and Labour leadership at the time.

It's not about doing everything at once :lol: It's about doing things bit by bit. EVERYONE knew what Blair would do over multiple terms beforehand, as it was all laid out clearly before the election. Ehat does Starmer stand for ... not being Corbyn?

 

These are the priorities:

 

1. Get elected by showing hope and actual policy

2. PR. Change the undemocratix voting system IMMEDIATELY.

3. Reverse the most-damaging Tory policies, begin investing in the NHS and the country again, ans repair our relationship with Europe to help with the cost of living crisis, and also focus on daid crisis

 

That's it. That's all to start off with. Nationalisation may take time, which is fine, but announce it is a long-teem goal.

 

Think I said 1 and 3, but 2 has never had any support from Labour. That'll be the Libdems you're thinking of :D I'd vote for it, of course, as the best way of avoiding the nasty extremist Tory Party that we have if they have to learn to work with others instead of bully.

Meanwhile, Corbyn thinks to the best way to deal with murdering dictators is to give in and let them take over any nation they fancy, by moaning on a pro-Russian TV news channel and suggesting that sending in the Arab nations would sort it out. Presumably the ones executing gay people, holding women as second-class citizens, murdering journalists, and so on.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/a...-arming-ukraine

 

I mean, I can't be entirely convinced of his referencing his support of Palestine as the root of all his problems (a nation taken over by an armed aggressor) and then not thinking the same about Ukraine. Seems to be inconsistent to me. You are either in favour of armed aggressors or you're not! Make Up Your mind Jezza!

 

Just a thought.

Yes it would have been awkward if Corbyn was PM at the time of the Putin invasion. Corbyn did promote Chris Williamson as a Shadow Minister at one point and he is completely pro Putin it seems.

MP Rupa Huq, sister of former Blue Peter star Konnie, has had the Labour whip withdrawn due to remarks make about Kwasi Kwarteng.

Starmer's speech at conference looks to have gone down very well! Promise of an energy nationalisation and a publically owned energy company in the first year of a Labour government, an economically responsible Labour in contrast to the Tories, an emphasis on home-ownership and against buy-to-let, these are all policies I'd be very happy to support and they're finally here.

 

Much better than any of his previous conferences, I think he's really on a roll right now.

MP Rupa Huq, sister of former Blue Peter star Konnie, has had the Labour whip withdrawn due to remarks make about Kwasi Kwarteng.

 

...this being the one as ever blemish. The remarks she made, 'superficially black', somehow she managed to phrase the sentiment she was I assume going for* in the worst possible way. Good action by the leadership to suspend her immediately.

 

*that being that just because there are minorities in the Conservative cabinet doesn't mean that they're of any help to the average member of a minority community, in fact quite the opposite. Don't play identity politics, really, don't.

MP Rupa Huq, sister of former Blue Peter star Konnie, has had the Labour whip withdrawn due to remarks make about Kwasi Kwarteng.

 

Well deserved - what was she thinking? Completely unprofessional. Plus it's not like Kwarteng is the first BAME ultra right wing Tory minister we've had.

The usual shite about the SNP trickled out of his mouth. “We can’t work with them” but no mention about their deep cooperation with the Tories across Scotland who they apparently can find plenty of common ground with. Even tho Corbynonomics was lifted wholesale from the SNP and Starmernomics is no different in sourcing for its progressive policies..

 

But sure. The nationalists are the big problem. Not that you simply just took Scotland for granted and stopped checking in on what actually mattered to voters. “We will make Brexit work, that’s what voters across Scotland want” - 72% of Scots would vote remain today and Scotland overwhelmingly would vote to rejoin immediately. So, again, did they only poll their Tory coalition partners????? Because that’s not the scotland anyone who’s actually been there would recognise

You do get the feeling this week was the change over week when the media started to turn to Labour again and prop Starmer up as the serious next PM. Kind of like 1992!

Depends what media - doubt any of the Mail, Express, Sun, Telegraph anytime soon.... they are all saying Truss must hold firm when they're not gushing over the new Italian Prime Minister.

The usual shite about the SNP trickled out of his mouth. “We can’t work with them” but no mention about their deep cooperation with the Tories across Scotland who they apparently can find plenty of common ground with. Even tho Corbynonomics was lifted wholesale from the SNP and Starmernomics is no different in sourcing for its progressive policies..

 

But sure. The nationalists are the big problem. Not that you simply just took Scotland for granted and stopped checking in on what actually mattered to voters. “We will make Brexit work, that’s what voters across Scotland want” - 72% of Scots would vote remain today and Scotland overwhelmingly would vote to rejoin immediately. So, again, did they only poll their Tory coalition partners????? Because that’s not the scotland anyone who’s actually been there would recognise

 

Must admit I don’t get this about not working with other parties. Reality is it happens all the times in politics, and if we have PR, we are pretty much going to have endless coalitions (good and bad) forever.

 

You do get the feeling this week was the change over week when the media started to turn to Labour again and prop Starmer up as the serious next PM. Kind of like 1992!

 

It does really feel that way. I noticed the reporting in the media today was very friendly and positive. Not only that it seems that even the more socialist MPs in the Party seem to be less critical and more supporting. Good news which I’m sure the polls lend itself to, but it’s just as easy to lose the lead. I do feel what has turned in Labour’s favour though is the Tories have ended massively to appeal to a core niche of people, so it’s quite easy now for Labour to say what the difference between then and the Tories is. I don’t even think they need to spell it out for voters it’s clear as day. Even those pensioners or people on the verge of retirement are going to be screwed over by the economic policy.

Yeh for me it just goes to show how undemocratic Britain is though, oh we’ve had 13 years of the tories time to start supporting the other side again for a decade. And the circle goes on…..

I mean, Labour are still competing for votes in Scotland, are they not? It would damage them south of the border to be opened up to the attack line of them being in the pocket of Scottish nationalists.

 

Maybe it is still unionist vs nationalist in Scotland but it won't be forever. The SNP are dominant now but who knows if they'll lose popularity at some point. Meanwhile Scottish Labour, perhaps they aren't sending their best right now but their goal will still be to make the union work, for Scotland's people.

 

And the most likely outcome where this is relevant is Labour minority government supported by the SNP on confidence and supply. It's quite possible for a scenario to arise at Westminster where Labour is the largest party, and the government, but are short of a majority and unlike with the Tories, why would the SNP vote down most Labour government policies? That doesn't go against what he said about "no deal with the SNP", and that would be an arrangement I think the SNP would be very happy with because they can almost certainly force their hand like that to get indyref2 and anything else they want while being unobstructive to most parts of a Labour government's agenda.

 

Basically all this stuff all comes after the election once the makeup of the new Parliament is down. I suppose it does rule out a coalition, but a coalition wouldn't be materially different to the scenario above and allowing it leaves Labour more vulnerable south of the border before the election.

Not sure anyone “competes” for votes in Scotland anymore with the levels of unionist “tactical” voting that happens. Labour supporters gladly vote Tory even though the SNP is the author of the labour platform and the only thing they disagree on is the constitution it’s a case of “lemme just set aside all my beliefs, morals, and ethics and vote for Dougie Ross”

 

I do look forward to voting in a post-independence Scotland where unionists start voting with their morals again instead of on the constitution. Will be nice to see the Tories slump to 5th place

You do get the feeling this week was the change over week when the media started to turn to Labour again and prop Starmer up as the serious next PM. Kind of like 1992!

 

Yes it will be like 1992 when Major was expected to lose but WON a small majority but workable and kept him in power 5 years. Hopefully Liz does the same. Th country needs a Tory government and not Labour's tax and spend spend spend.

Yes it will be like 1992 when Major was expected to lose but WON a small majority but workable and kept him in power 5 years. Hopefully Liz does the same. Th country needs a Tory government and not Labour's tax and spend spend spend.

 

Seriously hoping you’re trolling at this point Chris as the Tories have just enacted their own economic crisis and spent more money than a Labour government ever would with no plan for growth :rofl: Truss is barely in the role 3 weeks and she is already toast.

GET THE EVIL TORIES OUT!!!!!!