January 23, 20178 yr And you've literally just named all of the mainstream media that aren't liberal, that's all there is. Everything else including all the UK news channels e.g. Sky, BBC, ITV, Channel 4 are anti-Brexit and definitely anti-Trump, and now liberals are trying to shut down alternative media that aren't liberal by calling it fake news until that blown up in their face after Trump calling out CNN. Lefty liberals are intolerant until everyone thinks exactly the same way they do. No I haven't. I left out the Telegraph and the Star. It is also utter nonsense to suggest the BBC coverage of the referendum was biased. It was a fear of accusations of bias that prevented them from exposing the £350m lie. As for this idea of an anti-Trump bias, it is not bias to report that his claims of a record turnout for his inauguration is a big fat lie. It's called accurate reporting.
January 23, 20178 yr A mere sci-fi TV show called Doctor Who said it better than a whole essay from me: https://twitter.com/NicholasPegg/status/823131504922529794
January 23, 20178 yr Alternative media is like the press equivalent of alternative facts right? Like Breitbart and Natural News? Or Echo chambers for the deluded as those of us with an IQ of more than 0 and who graduate somewhere other than Google University also know them as
January 23, 20178 yr No I haven't. I left out the Telegraph and the Star. It is also utter nonsense to suggest the BBC coverage of the referendum was biased. It was a fear of accusations of bias that prevented them from exposing the £350m lie. As for this idea of an anti-Trump bias, it is not bias to report that his claims of a record turnout for his inauguration is a big fat lie. It's called accurate reporting. The Telegraph serve the liberal elite, and The Star doesn't count, that "newspaper" is basically a porn mag. And there is an anti-Trump bias, anyone with open eyes can see that, it's just unfortunate that there are some people who are brainwashed with rage against Trump that they can't see sense past the tip of their nose.
January 23, 20178 yr Oh don't worry PeaceMob, I'm pretty sure there are a ton of pro-Nazi newspapers that you can freely read
January 23, 20178 yr The Telegraph serve the liberal elite, and The Star doesn't count, that "newspaper" is basically a porn mag. And there is an anti-Trump bias, anyone with open eyes can see that, it's just unfortunate that there are some people who are brainwashed with rage against Trump that they can't see sense past the tip of their nose. The Telegraph was a staunch supporter of the Leave campaign. Their stance on a whole range of issues has consistently been far from liberal.
January 23, 20178 yr Oh don't worry PeaceMob, I'm pretty sure there are a ton of pro-Nazi newspapers that you can freely read Don't be vile, you do realise the official name for the Nazi Party was the National Socialists German Workers Party. I think after the Brexit vote and Trump winning the election and the protests that followed those events who demanded to reverse those democratic decisions, I think we all know who the real fascists are.
January 23, 20178 yr So much to unpack here from the last few days' conversation, but I'm going to add my traditionally ill-informed my 2 woolongs worth. First off, I didn't think that this would end up being a controversial stance on BJ even a few days ago, but I am very much on the side of not punching people in the face. Even Nazis. No matter how emotionally satisfying that would be. There's many reasons why I'm against that, but I feel that this blog post offers a great rationale why celebrating it is a very bad idea. As to what to do with Nazis, or anyone else with extreme views, there are 3 options that should be undertaken - 1) Ignore them - it's easier said than done, but the best thing to do is to just pay them no heed, don't respond to them, and don't talk about them to anyone. They need an audience to survive, especially a hostile one, and by depriving them of that, they will have no purpose to exist. I understand that when you come across someone really nasty that you virulently disagree with, there's a truly additive dopamine hit you get when you get to position yourself as morally superior to them, but try to resist it. However, if they're either too big, or stubborn, or dangerous, to ignore, then move on to points 2 & 3 - 2) Defeat their ideas - the chances are you are never going to make them change your mind. That's okay, that's not really important. What you can do is convince everyone else not to take their side. 1 appearance on Question Time killed the BNP stone dead. Bad ideas shouldn't take long to untangle. As someone posted recently elsewhere, "Extreme views are best defeated by free speech. There is a strong public interest in winning the argument and exposing extremists and bigots for what they are, not making heroes of them by driving them underground where they will continue to thrive in the darker corners of the internet" and my favourite - 3) Expose them to ridicule - the best way to undermine the nasties is to mock them. Some of the best and funniest satires has done this with no holes barred, be it ' take on apartheid, or Mitchell & Webb's hilarious & underrated KKK sketch. Sometimes I think that even IS could be defeated if we treated it with ridicule instead of fear, although I may be overstretching my point there. Perhaps if the satire aimed at Trump had been better than some of the pish-poor attempts that came out of America last year, then perhaps he would never have been president.
January 23, 20178 yr Also this "aggression and violence" thing was what Republicans were preaching about for the past eight years. You know, when their rights weren't threatened? PeaceMob, you need Jesus. PRONTO. I can't remember who said it, but this quote always stuck in my mind - "the only thing worse than the Religious Right is the Irreligious Right".
January 23, 20178 yr "Donald, was Hitler evil and Nazis evil?" "Yes they were". That's all he has to say...... He hasn't. I'm pretty sure he did that just after his election when he disavowed the alt-right. I don't think anyone's specifically asked him that specific question though, normally it's taken as a given that you hate Nazis, unless you explicitly say otherwise.
January 23, 20178 yr Don't be vile, you do realise the official name for the Nazi Party was the National Socialists German Workers Party. Have you ever considered a holiday in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea?
January 23, 20178 yr 2) Defeat their ideas - the chances are you are never going to make them change your mind. That's okay, that's not really important. What you can do is convince everyone else not to take their side. 1 appearance on Question Time killed the BNP stone dead. Bad ideas shouldn't take long to untangle. As someone posted recently elsewhere, "Extreme views are best defeated by free speech. There is a strong public interest in winning the argument and exposing extremists and bigots for what they are, not making heroes of them by driving them underground where they will continue to thrive in the darker corners of the internet" Not really true though. The BNP's support went up after their Question Time appearance. And the idea that the Nazis took hold in Germany because the likes of Otto Wels just weren't good enough at rational argument is...well, do you really think a movement gets that much widespread support when it lies in the darker corners of the internet, as fascism did for a solid couple of decades? Because it's not as if free speech alone did much to stop Trump. The man and his views had plenty of exposure. You don't kill weeds with sunlight.
January 23, 20178 yr Don't be vile, you do realise the official name for the Nazi Party was the National Socialists German Workers Party. Well now you've so resoundingly settled this argument by just referring to what they called themselves, I presume you will never again question that the Labour Party are the representatives of the workers or that the Liberal Democrats are the true democrats in British politics. After all, they call themselves that, so by your token apparently it never gets to be questioned.
January 23, 20178 yr Peacemob didnt take up my challenge, just ignored it, so case proven m'lud. Spouting flasehoods obviously cut n pasted from online rags as if they were facts. Nazis. There is a law in the UK against hate speech. Also against murdering those who express an opinion. Nazis have a tougher time actually saying they want to commit genocide. In the USA it's easy. There were peaceful mass protests in Berlin after the nazis got into power. Newspapers tried mocking and reason. Shit lot of good they did. Freedom of speech is based on the agreement that everyone has a right to an opinion as long as it doesn't hurt others. if your opinion is you wish to commit genocide, advocate genocide, then you lose the right to promote your opinion. I'm a pacifist wishy washy liberal, but if you can't see the danger that democracy faces from extreme politics which is out to destroy it then you are fooling yourself that everyone will be fine in the end. You only have to look around the world to see that everything is not fine and it can change in the blink of an eye. Sometimes you have to fight for democracy. Those who don't get what they deserve, as much as those who just wanted a quiet life or respected the views of Adolph Hitler deserve eternal damnation for going along with mass murder. Just to be quite clear: If the Nazis get in power (Trump, whatever he has or hasn't said, has the power to do something about the alt-right Nazis in the USA and I don't believe he will do a thing) after the blacks have been sent to the gas chambers, a whole new industry for American white workers, will follow the Muslims, Native Americans, mexicans, gays, intellectuals, liberals and anyone else seen as an enemy of the State. That's why it's OK to punch Nazis who are trying to organise the deaths of human beings as an ultimate aim. Better to educate them before they become Nazis, but bitter hatred of fellow human beings is quite hard to shift as a personality trait. I siuggest everyone look up the writings of this particular individual, and remove the sections that say "black" and "jew" and insert your own name and see how you feel about them being allowed to specifically say you should be murdered, that YOU personally are just a golem, soul-less, and not a human being, and encouraging others to demonise you and subject you to hatred online and in real life. If you say, well they have a perfect right to their opinion, and have already forgotten about Jo Cox, and it doesn't bother you that you might be a target, then fine. If you're not happy with being a target of the hatred yourself, then you are being hypocritical because it's not you who is the target. Yet.
January 24, 20178 yr Trump has revived the Keystone pipeline, what, two/ three days into office? I DID argue with RAGINGT alt righters I have on my facebook who were trying to say 'it's not their land' vs the native Americans protesting with no hint of irony :lol: so I'm not surprised. The alt right thinks everything is theirs, so of course Trump was gonna deliver.
January 24, 20178 yr Trump has revived the Keystone pipeline, what, two/ three days into office? I DID argue with RAGINGT alt righters I have on my facebook who were trying to say 'it's not their land' vs the native Americans protesting with no hint of irony :lol: so I'm not surprised. The alt right thinks everything is theirs, so of course Trump was gonna deliver.Once again proving that Trump only cares about the rights of few I wouldn't be surprised if some Kristallnacht shit started in the future now
January 25, 20178 yr https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jan/...guration-unrest ...and so the march towards a Police State, media-controlled America has started.... can't be long before he declares himself President For Life unless his twatty Republican supporters turn on Trump. Granted Trump isn't responsible for this action, so he could always have a word with the police about reporters covering "news" not actually being guilty of taking part in "news", but he won't of course.
January 25, 20178 yr I can't help but derive some perverse pleasure from the fact 5 DAYS IN that this has gone so rapidly and unceremoniously to UTTER FUCKING SHIT.
January 25, 20178 yr https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jan/...guration-unrest ...and so the march towards a Police State, media-controlled America has started.... can't be long before he declares himself President For Life unless his twatty Republican supporters turn on Trump. Granted Trump isn't responsible for this action, so he could always have a word with the police about reporters covering "news" not actually being guilty of taking part in "news", but he won't of course. This usually only takes place in Russia. Awkward
Create an account or sign in to comment