Don't forget that Trump is the most persecuted politician in the history of this - or any other - planet. He said so himself so it must be true.

This could just be the start ey, like dominos.

OK, word is that charges have been filed. No details yet but I'm hoping that my initial prediction in the early part of the year that Trump was a traitor who would be gone by Xmas can still come true. Fingers-crossed!

 

(Obviously unlikely, watergate was a mild case of bullying and breaking-in and tape-recording in comparison and that took 2 years to sort, but hey, got to be optimistic!)

 

There's another aspect to this that may have been overlooked : even if Trump was removed somehow, the people who voted for him still remain, and their attitudes may well harden in the face of what they'll probably regard as a 'liberal/leftist plot' to remove the president they chose. Therefore the most important thing is for an absolutely watertight case be built against him, as happened against Nixon.

There's another aspect to this that may have been overlooked : even if Trump was removed somehow, the people who voted for him still remain, and their attitudes may well harden in the face of what they'll probably regard as a 'liberal/leftist plot' to remove the president they chose. Therefore the most important thing is for an absolutely watertight case be built against him, as happened against Nixon.

 

the evidence already in the public domain (errr statements by his actual children and the Man himself) is enough to impeach him, according to American law and the constitution. It's more a case of how much more there is that we don't know.

 

What his supporters want is irrelevant. The law is the law. The President is a servant of the people not a God pronouncing from on high able to do what he wants. More relevant is how many politicians currently in office go down with him, the corruption could be epic in scale.

the evidence already in the public domain (errr statements by his actual children and the Man himself) is enough to impeach him, according to American law and the constitution. It's more a case of how much more there is that we don't know.

 

So why haven't his opponents already started impeachment proceedings against him?

 

What his supporters want is irrelevant. The law is the law. The President is a servant of the people not a God pronouncing from on high able to do what he wants. More relevant is how many politicians currently in office go down with him, the corruption could be epic in scale.

 

His supporters can't protect him, that's true - but they might be upset enough to vote in someone even more right-wing next time.

 

Politically it makes sense not to start impeachment proceedings until there is clear public support for them. I don't think that point has been reached yet.

Because the Republicans control the House and with Mad Pence the Senate. Why not wait instead?

I wouldn't expect anything to get seriously moving until after the midterms. It's unlikely that the GOP will lose the Senate as the majority of seats being contested are already Democrat-held in a real mixed bag of states, but if they perform relatively poorly a lot more people may wonder if continuing to support Trump is worth their while. If it ever comes to that, we can only hope that whatever brings Trump down also implicates Pence.

Nothing will happen until the Republican Party remember where they put their spines.

That's my point - they won't do anything until they're sure that it's in their interests.

 

The only Senators who have really dared to criticise or undermine Trump in any meaningful way are those who aren't up for reelection in 2018, because it will be incredibly difficult for an anti-Trump incumbent to survive a primary challenge in most states.

So why haven't his opponents already started impeachment proceedings against him?

His supporters can't protect him, that's true - but they might be upset enough to vote in someone even more right-wing next time.

 

Nixon wasn't impeached on day one. the court case went on and on, people went to jail, and they spilled their guts, and then Nixon resigned. Then he was pardoned by Ford.

 

I daresay we can expect the same, and Pence will pardon Trump (unless he goes down with the ship too).

 

PS the only way they could vote in someone more right-wing than Trump and Pence would be to elect an actual Nazi with a swastika.....

 

PPS Trump has tweeted he is being targeted by evil conniving Democrats/Clinton and has demanded his followers "DO SOMETHING".

 

Bordering on begging his loyal Nazi followers to go out and shut them up permanently in a concrete shoes sort of way....

 

He's really not helping his case because a disrespect for the law (who aren't necessarily Democrats anyway, Comey certainly won him the election and he showed his gratitude by firing him) is just further evidence that he has stuff to hide. An innocent man would just let facts speak for him, not beg Cult Of Trump followers to do it for him. That's with an "L' not an "N", I stress, in the capitalised bits.

Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign chief, has surrended to the FBI as part of the investigation.

 

This is big.

They all have great lawywrs though.

 

I'll believe it when I see Trump resigning or testifying tbh!

Huge development. Be interesting to see the reaction of Fox/his base and the spineless republicans

Yes. In the hypothetical future result of a President proven and found guilty of treason and lies how exactly could media that supported his every move every inch of the way crawl their slimy way out of it without looking equally as morally corrupt and bankrupt. Rupert Murdoch, for instance, in his quest to rule the media in Europe via Sky so he can poison the media here as well as the USA with outright lies and racism in order to get richer and richer and more powerful. Of course that could just be a happy bi-product of a dearly conscientious and caring man who just happened accidentally to run very right-wing papers and news stations that have been found guilty of hacking the phones of teenage murder victims, accusing innocent victims of police uselessness and subsequent cover-up corruption of causing their own deaths, and so on.

 

Just bad luck, obviously.

Two charged with conspiracy against rhe US!!

I don't know if there's a better thread to put this in, but some excellent news tonight as Danica Roem has won a seat in Virginia's House of Delegates to become the first transgender person ever elected to a state legislature in the US (unseating a massively anti-LGBT incumbent in the process). Good results for Democrats seemingly across the board in the elections going on tonight, hopefully this bodes well for 2018.

Yes. In the hypothetical future result of a President proven and found guilty of treason and lies how exactly could media that supported his every move every inch of the way crawl their slimy way out of it without looking equally as morally corrupt and bankrupt. Rupert Murdoch, for instance, in his quest to rule the media in Europe via Sky so he can poison the media here as well as the USA with outright lies and racism in order to get richer and richer and more powerful.

 

Yes, how dare he muscle in on the Left's turf... :teresa:

Yes, how dare he muscle in on the Left's turf... :teresa:

 

Schoolyard "you too" response. How about some actual examples on how the left is in any way similar (and I presume you mean hard left, rather than centrist-slightly-wishy-washy-liberal-left....)

 

Or you could just deny and prove anything I said is a lie or any way inaccurate (Hint: you won't be able to)...

 

ya boo hiss you too, I'm going to tell my mum of you.

Schoolyard "you too" response. How about some actual examples on how the left is in any way similar (and I presume you mean hard left, rather than centrist-slightly-wishy-washy-liberal-left....)

 

You did notice my smiley, right? :rolleyes:

 

But if you really want an example anyway, in one word 'Venezuela'

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