over 500 pages =)

Should only take me about three weeks plus all the stopping & starting .. I still have not finished my book about Vampires, it's really good . If you are a reader it's a really good trilogy , each book about 800 pages long, I have been reading them for years & still not finished :lol:

Well hurry up with the vampire thing, Robbie's waiting..... :rolleyes:

OK, I have started reading Reveal , already Chapter 1 is making me sad, talking about his continuous anxiety , it must be terrible to feel that way . Interersting observation from Johnny McDaid where he says ' He throws himself under the bus before anyone else gets a chance to ' .em !! how often have we seen that scenario :huh:

Did I mention how slow I am at reading, will probably to to the end of Chpater 1 by the end of the week :unsure: . I am still reading my vampira book -_-

 

 

Did I mention how slow I am at reading, will probably to to the end of Chpater 1 by the end of the week :unsure: . I am still reading my vampira book -_-

 

 

Call yourself a fan? :rolleyes:

Here's a kind of spoiler Tess so skip this post. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Somewhere in the last quarter of the book Robbie talks about writing an album with GB and how all the songs were recorded but it wasn't released because he got side tracked by the Aussie boys for TTC and felt that the GB co-write was a bit too middle of the road and he wasn't ready for that. It also mentions that it was his (Robbie's) idea that both their solo albums go head to head on release date in 2012 but in the end he didn't do it because Gary didn't want that and he didn't want to upset Gary.

 

This got me thinking - and kind of confirmed the feeling that I've had right from the start of the book, that everything in it (almost without exception) we already knew.

 

Whether it be from stories in the Sun, or chats on Upfront or little hints he dropped in interviews, everything had already been told (if you were a fan and taking note). The book just fills in the details.

This has made me aware that the next time a "random" story pops up in the Sun, it probably isn't random at all and instead of dismissing it as an old rag, :lol: I'll take more notice of it because there could in all probability contain more than an element of truth in it.

 

It also proves (although I didn't need it proving to me but I read lots of cynicism on FB) that he is telling the complete truth on Upfront with very little embellishment. Things seem to have happened in his life exactly how he has mentioned them on there in real time. Even the little bit in the book where he goes to his Doctors and knows that the Doctor won't be happy with him because he has been taking too many sleeping tablets. I remember being on the Upfront chat on the day he said he was going and "the Doctor won't be happy with me". Obviously he didn't elaborate but the story is exactly replicated in the book.

 

The only thing that did take me aback a bit was that he is still plagued by mental illness to a debilitating degree. I thought that had diminished over the years and with the arrival of Ayda. That makes me very sad for him.

It also proves (although I didn't need it proving to me but I read lots of cynicism on FB) that he is telling the complete truth on Upfront with very little embellishment.

 

 

 

Think about it , how could his management say what happened , did he not say somewhere that he already has had difficulty getting insurance so I guess they have to be careful on all counts when it comes to disclosure & what they say & do not say .

 

I do not like the fact that he ended the tour suddenly , it is worrying , I am more concerned it was to do with his coping skills once his family went back to LA & that all comes back to his mental state of mind . It is sad for a young man to be going through stuff like that but mental illness is something that people learn to live with & have coping mechanisms to get themselves through the bad times, sometimes with help from professionals , I do not believe it is something that is ever cured . In fairness there was very little printed in the press or questions asked so I am thinking it was serious enough . Given time he will be back . :)

 

 

 

 

 

I havenot had time to read the book yet. I will start a new position in 4 weeks and try to get the old finished properly and be not too nervous for the new which is a huge challenge.

So I am grateful about the little hints here.

I hope he will publish the GB album one day. I guess thisis the music I will like again :-)

Anyway,one question to the native speakers: IS depression called a mental illness? This is a term More linked shicopheny and likes in my mind. I know that depression is severe, but still. I am also wondering if his drug abuse has pushed him that far. He must have had the disposition but it seems to be worse than it had been in the past.

And I still wonder why there is not any statement and sign of him. Either heis severe ill or cynic me thinks still it is also a good way topromote Reveal without promoting it. Bite my tongue now.

Think about it , how could his management say what happened , did he not say somewhere that he already has had difficulty getting insurance so I guess they have to be careful on all counts when it comes to disclosure & what they say & do not say .

 

I do not like the fact that he ended the tour suddenly , it is worrying , I am more concerned it was to do with his coping skills once his family went back to LA & that all comes back to his mental state of mind . It is sad for a young man to be going through stuff like that but mental illness is something that people learn to live with & have coping mechanisms to get themselves through the bad times, sometimes with help from professionals , I do not believe it is something that is ever cured . In fairness there was very little printed in the press or questions asked so I am thinking it was serious enough . Given time he will be back . :)

 

 

I didn't mean over the end of the tour Tess. I just meant generally over the years I think it's possible to pick up all kinds of news from the hints provided. :)

 

 

Agree - when he's ready, he'll be back. Hoping he's enjoying some down time.

I havenot had time to read the book yet. I will start a new position in 4 weeks and try to get the old finished properly and be not too nervous for the new which is a huge challenge.

So I am grateful about the little hints here.

I hope he will publish the GB album one day. I guess thisis the music I will like again :-)

Anyway,one question to the native speakers: IS depression called a mental illness? This is a term More linked shicopheny and likes in my mind. I know that depression is severe, but still. I am also wondering if his drug abuse has pushed him that far. He must have had the disposition but it seems to be worse than it had been in the past.

And I still wonder why there is not any statement and sign of him. Either heis severe ill or cynic me thinks still it is also a good way topromote Reveal without promoting it. Bite my tongue now.

Elisabeth - it said that some of the songs intended for that album were used. Candy and Different were two of them and also Wedding Bells.

 

I'm guessing Requiem on the GB album was another although it didn't state it in the book.

 

I think it's fair to call depression a mental illness. Again another part of the book Chris Heath talks about how he first interviewed Rob as part of TT in 1993 for a newspaper article. In the book he lists some of the answers he gave as an 19 year old to Chris's questions and you'll see that he hasn't changed a bit. All of the answers he gave were to present himself in the worse possible light. You certainly don't need to be a psychiatrist to see where his self esteem was and I suppose nothing has changed over the years.

 

You'll have to read it to see Elisabeth but he explains at great length Robbie's ability to seek out all the bad things said about him and concentrate on them. Anything good is instantly dismissed and any award given makes him feel unworthy. That aspect of the book is very sad. It must be exhausting being in his head space.

Some people live in a dark space for a lot of their lives & generally find it difficult to be happy & see the positive things in life , others are as happy as Larry & just jolly along without worrying what people think , Robbie is not one of those people , it must be hard for the family of people like that , they cannot be easy to love with .

Depression is complex. I remember many years ago that someone was ill for a longer time because of depression and I was, 'why can't he stay up and come working. Then we visited him and he was not even able to leave his room.

But with Rob there is more about this and I think there is more about it than the illness if you call it like that. However, when you listen to his songs and lyrics so much seemed to have changed through the years. He has a family, he has kids. He is still successful.

Something is not right with this end of the tour. If it is his self esteem, it may have been better if they had cut the tour so that Robbie could have flown back with Ayda to America. She is posting on Instagram again and this means for me the hard phase is over. But what was it? He had said that his back was better during the last shows.

We might never hear about it. Maybe he had taken too much medicine and had indeed to kick that off. I read somewhere that Selena Gmex had a kidney transplant during the summer secretly. All things are going on. Gaga, Adele, many more cancalled tours and concerts. But the Robbie story, I am confused and not for the best. Anything I think about, reall illness, rehab, disc, mental problems or PR don't make me happy.

There is no way they wouldn't have realised that fans would be worried and in the past an honest statement given has been taken at face value, accepted and then fan support given so I'm guessing Robbie himself didn't want Management to say anything.

 

The same would have been true this time so the silence is strange. It's not like there is anything to be ashamed of. Everybody falls ill at some point. We are all human.

 

I'm still believing the family explanation and believe after a few days he was able to go back to LA and that's where he is. Hopefully the physical illness didn't trigger anything else because I can imagine his disappointment at not finishing the tour when they had all done so well and he would have felt he had let fans down although I'm sure fans wouldn't see it that way.

 

 

I'm sure the sunshine in LA is doing him the world of good.

I havenot had time to read the book yet. I will start a new position in 4 weeks and try to get the old finished properly and be not too nervous for the new which is a huge challenge.

So I am grateful about the little hints here.

I hope he will publish the GB album one day. I guess thisis the music I will like again :-)

Anyway,one question to the native speakers: IS depression called a mental illness? This is a term More linked shicopheny and likes in my mind. I know that depression is severe, but still. I am also wondering if his drug abuse has pushed him that far. He must have had the disposition but it seems to be worse than it had been in the past.

And I still wonder why there is not any statement and sign of him. Either heis severe ill or cynic me thinks still it is also a good way topromote Reveal without promoting it. Bite my tongue now.

 

 

Drug taking & depression go hand in hand , Cocaine messes up your brain, being fully fit for this tour did not help either . I personally do not believe it had anything to do with the book , he must have lost a lot of money cancelling those gigs in Russia . At the end of the day Robbie is the one that suffers the consequences when things go wrong so I doubt he would cancel it unless he had to , maybe we do not know the full story & maybe we never will . Can anyone really ever look at Robbie these days & say that he looked healthy , he looked really well last year & I believe with his bad back he should have postponed the tour but I guess it was too late to get out of it

He looked great in 2016, he looked like a mess during the tour in a special way, medication unhealthy.

It is nevertheless easy to make a statement and not digging too deep into it.

I am ill, I am recovering, end of.

But this what is it about him wondering is what makes me think about using the bad for the book promotion (some serious papers wrote about that in Germany). And Russia? He has Insurance. He will not lose money. What he looses is reputation and that will hurt him as he is so dedicated to what he does and to build up new markets. That is sad.

Funny thing is there has been very little in the press here in relation to the tour cancellation & certainly no speculation & I can tell you if they thought or believed other than what they were told they would write about it .

 

 

Laura , where have you progressed to in the book :unsure:

Here's a kind of spoiler Tess so skip this post. :)

Somewhere in the last quarter of the book Robbie talks about writing an album with GB and how all the songs were recorded but it wasn't released because he got side tracked by the Aussie boys for TTC and felt that the GB co-write was a bit too middle of the road and he wasn't ready for that. It also mentions that it was his (Robbie's) idea that both their solo albums go head to head on release date in 2012 but in the end he didn't do it because Gary didn't want that and he didn't want to upset Gary.

 

This got me thinking - and kind of confirmed the feeling that I've had right from the start of the book, that everything in it (almost without exception) we already knew.

 

Whether it be from stories in the Sun, or chats on Upfront or little hints he dropped in interviews, everything had already been told (if you were a fan and taking note). The book just fills in the details.

This has made me aware that the next time a "random" story pops up in the Sun, it probably isn't random at all and instead of dismissing it as an old rag, :lol: I'll take more notice of it because there could in all probability contain more than an element of truth in it.

 

It also proves (although I didn't need it proving to me but I read lots of cynicism on FB) that he is telling the complete truth on Upfront with very little embellishment. Things seem to have happened in his life exactly how he has mentioned them on there in real time. Even the little bit in the book where he goes to his Doctors and knows that the Doctor won't be happy with him because he has been taking too many sleeping tablets. I remember being on the Upfront chat on the day he said he was going and "the Doctor won't be happy with me". Obviously he didn't elaborate but the story is exactly replicated in the book.

 

The only thing that did take me aback a bit was that he is still plagued by mental illness to a debilitating degree. I thought that had diminished over the years and with the arrival of Ayda. That makes me very sad for him.

 

 

 

I rarely read the Upfront stuff Laura so a lot of this is new to me which is great . I am inclined to agree with what you say about random comments etc , they usually turn out to be true & confirmed by Robbie at some stage down along the line. It got me thinking about this speculation over why he cancelled the end of the tour, i guess we will find out in Upfront first & then in his next book :P . It also got me thinking about how Robbie suddenly does stuff like cancelling his appearances, remember his appearance as a judge on that tv show that Gary had on the BBC , he could not do the judging slot , I was really looking forward to that & then he appears singing Flood with the lads & I am gobstruck :o , you just have very much to take the man at face value because there usually are no hidden agendas , he says it as it is .

I equally think it is very sad about the mental illness he suffers from but it is part of who he is & in fairness he copes with it as best he can with the Ups & Downs .

 

Robbie is always unpredictable, I can say with my hand on my heart that any time I have booked tickets for a Robbie concert I am somewhere in my head wondering if he will turn up on the night & that s the truth :blink: , he always has turned up so I am not complaining ;)

I don't like the fact that he feels this pressure to keep working to keep the boat afloat.

He has so much money. He doesn't need to keep working. He could take a break.

 

I wish he were a man who could be kinder to himself but he's not. I think that's why a lot of his fans feel so protective towards him.

Laura , where have you progressed to in the book :unsure:

 

 

I've nearly finished Tess. Work is mental this week and I've run out of time. :wacko:

 

I've got to the TT reunion bit :)