December 24, 20177 yr But you know that their have *always* been a tiny hard care of extreme nationalists - Oswald Mosely's 'Blackshirts' for example. However, to most people, even ardent Brexiters, they are just criminal thugs. Perhaps Brexit has emboldened existing racists, but I see very little evidence it is created any new ones. [ What does 'being descended from Nazi supporters' have to do with anything? Probably half of Germany's current population share that dubious distinction, but it means nothing since political ideology is not genetic. 1. "Existing" racists is not a fixed eternal thing. People die. There are new ones being born all the time, and they are influenced by what is around them. Duuuuh! 2. You're right. It does however tend to run in families, if you're dad is a racist Nazi (Hi Trumps' dad) it increases the likelihood the kids will be too. Especially if they are closeted billionaires with no experience or idea of the real world and they feel as if they are somehow important and special compared to the riffraff. Evidence from The Mail is that they arent exactly liberal lovers of liberal equality. Front pages scream out every day what they believe. And it ain't democracy.
December 24, 20177 yr Author 1. "Existing" racists is not a fixed eternal thing. People die. There are new ones being born all the time, and they are influenced by what is around them. But the overall numbers have not really changed, that was my point - there are no more BNP/NF etc supporters now, than there were supporters of the British Union of Fascists' in the 1930's. 2. You're right. It does however tend to run in families, if you're dad is a racist NaziThat's a tautology it increases the likelihood the kids will be too. That is not in dispute Especially if they are closeted billionaires with no experience or idea of the real world and they feel as if they are somehow important and special compared to the riffraff. Evidence from The Mail is that they arent exactly liberal lovers of liberal equality. Front pages scream out every day what they believe. And it ain't democracy. You've pretty much described the whole of the Establishment there.
December 24, 20177 yr But you know that their have *always* been a tiny hard care of extreme nationalists - Oswald Mosely's 'Blackshirts' for example. However, to most people, even ardent Brexiters, they are just criminal thugs. Perhaps Brexit has emboldened existing racists, but I see very little evidence it is created any new ones. [ What does 'being descended from Nazi supporters' have to do with anything? Probably half of Germany's current population share that dubious distinction, but it means nothing since political ideology is not genetic. There's a big difference. Germans in the 1930s and '40s knew they were risking their lives if they opposed Nazism. Rothermere had more freedom to make his own choice.
December 24, 20177 yr Exactly right there was a feeling by the British establishment that the nazis were an extention of the pre democratic age establishment fighting back against democracy!
December 24, 20177 yr But the overall numbers have not really changed, that was my point - there are no more BNP/NF etc supporters now, than there were supporters of the British Union of Fascists' in the 1930's. I had no idea there had been surveys both then and now! What a fool I've been! Please educate me and point to the surveys where Nazis have proudly declared their fascism, so I can confirm your obviously-true fact. Just so I know better, of course....
December 25, 20177 yr Author I had no idea there had been surveys both then and now! What a fool I've been! Please educate me and point to the surveys where Nazis have proudly declared their fascism, so I can confirm your obviously-true fact. Just so I know better, of course.... There were elections/by-elections which the BUF contested, just as the BNP do. You seem to be challenging for my sarcasm title. :rolleyes:
December 25, 20177 yr Has anyone on this side of the pond ever been wished "Happy holidays" at this time of year? The number of people taking the mick out of claims that we are somehow not allowed to say Happy Christmas any more seems to have reached new heights this year.
December 25, 20177 yr Author Has anyone on this side of the pond ever been wished "Happy holidays" at this time of year? The number of people taking the mick out of claims that we are somehow not allowed to say Happy Christmas any more seems to have reached new heights this year. I must admit that I've never actually heard of any non-Christian claiming offence at having 'Happy Christmas' said to them...
December 26, 20177 yr Author This is a Guardian article that seems to have been ignored (at least while I've been here)... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/fe...e-mad-channel-4
December 26, 20177 yr Author Office for Students https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_for_Students Hadn't heard of this before. Bet you can guess where these headlines come from, though. :P Universities must 'protect free speech or pay the price': Minister gives institutions four months to clamp down on students who 'stifle those they don't agree with' Universities minister Jo Johnson will warn today that University's have four months to clamp down on student zealots that restrict free speech He will say there are ‘worrying’ incidents of groups trying to ‘stifle' free speech A new regulator, the Office for Students, will come into being in April 2018 The OfS will have the power to punish universities which limit free speech
December 26, 20177 yr I'm on my way to see family so I don't have to the chance to check this out. There is a tweet circulating purporting to show tweets sent yesterday by Trump and Obama. Trump's wishes people happy holidays, Obama's happy Christmas. Anyone know if they are genuine?
December 26, 20177 yr I'm on my way to see family so I don't have to the chance to check this out. There is a tweet circulating purporting to show tweets sent yesterday by Trump and Obama. Trump's wishes people happy holidays, Obama's happy Christmas. Anyone know if they are genuine? They are genuine but Trump's tweet is from 2010. Trump indeed did say 'merry Christmas' this year. Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump Wishing everyone a very Happy Holiday season! 4:26 PM - Dec 23, 2010 2,190 2,190 Replies 9,099 9,099 Retweets 7,672 7,672 likes ✔ @BarackObama On behalf of the Obama family, Merry Christmas! We wish you joy and peace this holiday season. 4:05 PM - Dec 25, 2017 32,337 32,337 Replies 216,487 216,487 Retweets 1,115,147 1,115,147 likes Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! 1:36 PM - Dec 25, 2017 29,588 29,588 Replies 43,322 43,322 Retweets 167,853 167,853 likes
December 27, 20177 yr I assume the Office for Students will be known as OffStud. I understand their is to be a new watchdog for Brexit Ministers spurious claims. It's to be known as OffTwat. True fact.
December 28, 20177 yr Author Dennis The Menace emasculated. :( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-52...-TV-series.html Dennis is no longer a Menace: Children's favourite gets a name change for new more politically-correct times Dennis the Menace will be known as simply Dennis in weekly comic and annual Publishers DC Thomson said the character had 'made mistakes in the past' ***** Needless to say, the Guardian sees it differently... https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/dec/...minnie-the-minx
December 28, 20177 yr The Guardian's more factual approach is the better. Times change. I always hated Dennis The Menace, just a bully with no appealing features. That said I used to read The Sparky, a long-gone sister comic who's title character was what I childishly thought was some sort of alien, but was actually a very very racist depiction of an African living in the UK, right down to the grass skirts and hoops in lips and distorted features. Quite rightly forgotten in the scale of things. Though I was sorry to see it also do in The Moonsters (actual Moon aliens), Keyhole Kate (likes to look through keyholes) and Hungry Horace. The latter one is still relevant to some kids, if a little judgemental...
December 28, 20177 yr I used to read those comics. Hard not to in this part of the world. There’s a bunch of statues of them all in Dundee city centre!!! Daily Mail is nothing but selectively quoted sensationalist shite
December 28, 20177 yr Dennis The Menace emasculated. :( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-52...-TV-series.html Dennis is no longer a Menace: Children's favourite gets a name change for new more politically-correct times Dennis the Menace will be known as simply Dennis in weekly comic and annual Publishers DC Thomson said the character had 'made mistakes in the past' ***** Needless to say, the Guardian sees it differently... https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/dec/...minnie-the-minx Hey, Buzzjack's biggest Beano fan here (as people who remember me from CHC Media will attest to). And this story is ball cocks - the strip has been known as Dennis & Gnasher officially since 2009 in the comics, and the cartoon series from 1996 was also known as "Dennis & Gnasher" for its second season, so the Daily Mail's getting hot & bothered about something that happened more than 20 years ago, so no changes there. Although I do have gripes about the direction The Beano's going in - I've been visiting their website recently and they appear to have turned it into a "Buzzfeed for Tweens", focusing more of funny videos than on the antics of Dennis, Minnie, Roger & co. I know that the Beano's circulation has been falling, and the characters have to adapt as the youth changes, but it can be hard to see something you grew up with turn into something very different.
December 28, 20177 yr Author Hey, Buzzjack's biggest Beano fan here (as people who remember me from CHC Media will attest to). And this story is ball cocks - the strip has been known as Dennis & Gnasher officially since 2009 in the comics, and the cartoon series from 1996 was also known as "Dennis & Gnasher" for its second season, so the Daily Mail's getting hot & bothered about something that happened more than 20 years ago, so no changes there. Although I do have gripes about the direction The Beano's going in - I've been visiting their website recently and they appear to have turned it into a "Buzzfeed for Tweens", focusing more of funny videos than on the antics of Dennis, Minnie, Roger & co. I know that the Beano's circulation has been falling, and the characters have to adapt as the youth changes, but it can be hard to see something you grew up with turn into something very different. When I used to read comics (including the Beano), there was no attempt at social engineering - they merely reflected the realities of the time. Some kids were bullies, some were victims - end of story. In fact, despite decades of leftish brainwashing (*), that situation hasn't really changed - only the means of it have evolved. Now it happens on-line as much as in person. FYI, I'm not *defending* bullying, only pointing out it is a reality that can't be dismissed by pretending it isn't happening. (*) Yes, I consider that equally as insidious as anything the Mail is accused of. Edited December 28, 20177 yr by vidcapper
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