What the f*** are you on about you ridiculous human?

Yes, we shouldn't pretend that bullying isn't happening.

There should be kids shows/comics/whatever about bullying. Just not those where the bully is presented as a positive image to kids.

If people only got as annoyed at poverty, the deaths going on in the world, as the name of a comic they seldom read as a kid changing slightly.... I guess that's Britain for you.

 

Dennis The Menace was hardly anything to do with bullying anyway, he was just a naughty child :lol:

When I used to read comics (including the Beano), there was no attempt at social engineering - they merely reflected the realities of the time. Some kids were bullies, some were victims - end of story.

 

In fact, despite decades of leftish brainwashing (*), that situation hasn't really changed - only the means of it have evolved. Now it happens on-line as much as in person.

 

FYI, I'm not *defending* bullying, only pointing out it is a reality that can't be dismissed by pretending it isn't happening.

 

(*) Yes, I consider that equally as insidious as anything the Mail is accused of.

 

Violence in cartoons is fine - witness Tom & Jerry, Simpsons, Family Guy etc. - but it has to have a moral point behind it - that being sneakyTom will just rebound on you, that falling off a cliff will hurt, and that bullies are as thick as pig-shit.

 

If it doesnt have a moral centre then it's time to be rebranded to show that bullying is not a happy thing - you can't make exceptions just because of nostalgia or we'd still be laughing at babies dying a la Victorians who found it darkly hilarious cos it was just like real life.

 

 

What the f*** are you on about you ridiculous human?

 

Since you don't quote what you are complaining about, I am left asking the same question, although without the profanity?

Yes, we shouldn't pretend that bullying isn't happening.

There should be kids shows/comics/whatever about bullying. Just not those where the bully is presented as a positive image to kids.

 

IIRC bad behaviour in comics *didn't* go unpunished - indeed the threat of corporal punishment was a regular theme!

When I used to read comics (including the Beano), there was no attempt at social engineering - they merely reflected the realities of the time. Some kids were bullies, some were victims - end of story.

 

In fact, despite decades of leftish brainwashing (*), that situation hasn't really changed - only the means of it have evolved. Now it happens on-line as much as in person.

 

FYI, I'm not *defending* bullying, only pointing out it is a reality that can't be dismissed by pretending it isn't happening.

 

(*) Yes, I consider that equally as insidious as anything the Mail is accused of.

 

 

Since you don't quote what you are complaining about, I am left asking the same question, although without the profanity?

It was quite clearly referring to, and wanting an explanation of, the above. More specifically, the bolded section which is, to be kind, batshitf***ingcrazy. No one denies bullying isn't happening, no one is attempting to claim it isn't and the left have been talking for years about the rise of cyber-bullying and the need to tackle it.

It was quite clearly referring to, and wanting an explanation of, the above. More specifically, the bolded section which is, to be kind, batshitf***ingcrazy.

 

I hope you're not suggesting that what the Left do is promotion, while what the Right does is propaganda?

 

If the Guardian can print editorials with a left-leaning slant, the the Mail can do so with a right-leaning one - to deny either would be an abrogation of freedom of speech.

I hope you're not suggesting that what the Left do is promotion, while what the Right does is propaganda?

 

If the Guardian can print editorials with a left-leaning slant, the the Mail can do so with a right-leaning one - to deny either would be an abrogation of freedom of speech.

If the Mail's far-right bias was confined to the opinion columns it wouldn't be quite so bad. However, its front pages are a relentless stream of right-wing propaganda. Those front pages get seen by a lot more people than see the opinion columns.

Imagine it being Christmas but you're too busy worrying that they changed the name of Dennis the Menace several years ago but you didn't know about it until you were told to be angry about it...

If the Mail's far-right bias was confined to the opinion columns it wouldn't be quite so bad. However, its front pages are a relentless stream of right-wing propaganda. Those front pages get seen by a lot more people than see the opinion columns.

 

Given that very few people vote for extreme-right parties, even despite the Mail, I think you have little to worry about.

Given that very few people vote for extreme-right parties, even despite the Mail, I think you have little to worry about.

How long did it take you to get a PhD in Missing The Point?

How long did it take you to get a PhD in Missing The Point?

 

You assume I am doing it deliberately. :unsure:

 

I thought the point *was* that most people here think the Mail turns people into 'knuckle-dragging, KKK supporting, neo-nazis'? If not, then what *were* you trying to say?

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You assume I am doing it deliberately. :unsure:

 

I thought the point *was* that most people here think the Mail turns people into 'knuckle-dragging, KKK supporting, neo-nazis'? If not, then what *were* you trying to say?

They use their front page to promote their right-wing agenda. While most of their readers are not out-and-out racists, racists would approve of many of their front pages.

You assume I am doing it deliberately. :unsure:

 

Given your propensity to dodge the point to dredge up arguments that have a poorly valid answer on a daily basis in this forum in a manner that would make a Young Earth Creationist jealous, despite no one ever supporting you and what must be a draining existence if you actually believe the crap you spout, yes, I do believe you are doing it deliberately.

Given your propensity to dodge the point to dredge up arguments that have a poorly valid answer on a daily basis in this forum in a manner that would make a Young Earth Creationist jealous, despite no one ever supporting you and what must be a draining existence if you actually believe the crap you spout, yes, I do believe you are doing it deliberately.

 

My lack of support is due to the unrepresentative nature of this forum, not because few others in the country share my opinions.

But why? I mean, you make for a good strawman for our point of view (not that it's needed, the arguments on differences between any of us that don't involve you are far more interesting to read) but that can't be satisfying for you unless you're just on here to get reactions out of us.

I hope you're not suggesting that what the Left do is promotion, while what the Right does is propaganda?

 

If the Guardian can print editorials with a left-leaning slant, the the Mail can do so with a right-leaning one - to deny either would be an abrogation of freedom of speech.

How about you answer the damn question for a change? Provide some receipts to back up your lunacy claim that leftist propaganda denies the existence of bullying?

 

 

Oh wait. You can't because they don't exist.

 

Yer a wasteman.

Imagine it being Christmas but you're too busy worrying that they changed the name of Dennis the Menace several years ago but you didn't know about it until you were told to be angry about it...

 

!!! :lol:

 

Popxhart, can you give me a source for that Victorian baby thing? Not disagreeing just find that morbidly interesting. They were a veeery strange generation.

When I used to read comics (including the Beano), there was no attempt at social engineering - they merely reflected the realities of the time. Some kids were bullies, some were victims - end of story.

 

In fact, despite decades of leftish brainwashing (*), that situation hasn't really changed - only the means of it have evolved. Now it happens on-line as much as in person.

 

FYI, I'm not *defending* bullying, only pointing out it is a reality that can't be dismissed by pretending it isn't happening.

 

(*) Yes, I consider that equally as insidious as anything the Mail is accused of.

 

 

But why? I mean, you make for a good strawman for our point of view (not that it's needed, the arguments on differences between any of us that don't involve you are far more interesting to read) but that can't be satisfying for you unless you're just on here to get reactions out of us.

 

I am not trolling, merely attempting to remind this cosy little enclave that not everyone agrees with them.

 

 

How about you answer the damn question for a change? Provide some receipts to back up your lunacy claim that leftist propaganda denies the existence of bullying?

Oh wait. You can't because they don't exist.

 

Yer a wasteman.

 

I see what happened now - it was a cut/paste mistake.

 

My post was meant to read something like : When I used to read comics (including the Beano), there was no attempt at social engineering - they merely reflected the realities of the time. Some kids were bullies, some were victims - end of story. Only the means of it have evolved. Now it happens on-line as much as in person.

 

The 'leftish brainwashing' comment was supposed to be seperate from the bullying one.

 

Sorry. :blush: