What is a 'reputable source' is a matter of opinion, depending solely on which side of an issue you are on - therefore it should be no surprise that I give that Guardian as little credence as you do the Mail.

No, because the Guardian, while pro-EU in its editorial stance, is prepared to publish stories painting the EU in a bad light if they are a) true; and b) newsworthy. They are also prepared to publish opinion articles that go against the paper's general stance. They don't publish screaming headlines that are about as balanced as headlines ion the North Korean press. That's why the Guardian is a far more reputable le source than the Daily Mail will ever be.

No, because the Guardian, while pro-EU in its editorial stance, is prepared to publish stories painting the EU in a bad light if they are a) true; and b) newsworthy. They are also prepared to publish opinion articles that go against the paper's general stance. They don't publish screaming headlines that are about as balanced as headlines ion the North Korean press. That's why the Guardian is a far more reputable le source than the Daily Mail will ever be.

 

But far less popular, according to this :

 

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/print-abc-me...-selling-paper/

 

But far less popular, according to this :

 

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/print-abc-me...-selling-paper/

 

Bob The Builder has sold a million records but that doesn't make it "better" than one that has sold 999,000 copies, it just means toddlers loved it. People used to buy the Sun cos they liked looking at women's breasts not for its in-depth investigative reporting talents. Unless you include hacking phones illegally for celebrity gossip or criminal investigation exclusives as in some way being "reporting".

But far less popular, according to this :

 

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/print-abc-me...-selling-paper/

The Harry Potter books have sold far more copies that Principia Mathematica. I know which one I trust more.

so Davy Davy says warnings that we are heading to some sort of Mad Max dystopia are exagerrated...says the man who has gone off the deep end in drumming up Project Fear hysteria to get his own way. Having lied about everything for years to say all will be sunshine and roses he's now trying to rubbish fears about reduced workers rights and regulations. Liar. Liar. Liar.

 

Following the likes of Fox Loxy's insistence that he's going to agree trade deals to import the likes of chlorinated chicken and relax regulations to allow cheaper imports from the rest of the world (bearing in mind we have just seen headlines about cancer-inducing crap stuffed into foods that ARE allowed, never mind those that aren't) his protestations are hollow. Basically "Trust me, I'm a politician".

 

I'll trust DD when I see the agreement in black & white that he won't do what he is claiming he won't do. Words are cheap, and DD is cheaper than his words. According to him we'd have it all wrapped up now with full access to the single market with no strings attached. Liar.

The Harry Potter books have sold far more copies that Principia Mathematica. I know which one I trust more.

 

Not doubt you'd claim there's less fantasy in Harry Potter than in the Daily Mail, too. :P

Technically, Muslims are not a race - in any case, it's not racist to express concern about a *legitimate* threat. Also, I've never claimed *all* Muslims are terrorists - that would be absurd.

 

European nationals brainwashed by radical Muslims from the Middle East.

Radicalisation is largely done online. There's no immigration policy that's stopping that.

 

This is an absurd argument anyway as I don't particularly want Turkey to join the EU - but running around screaming "ISIS! ISIS!" is pathetic. Presumably by the same logic your preference for Trump over Clinton means that you agree with the Ku Klux Klan.

Not doubt you'd claim there's less fantasy in Harry Potter than in the Daily Mail, too. :P

It's a close call.

It's your lucky day - another positive article about Brexit for you to try & debunk...

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-54...-economy-4.html

 

Brexit gloom debunked: Experts’ report says leaving the EU could BOOST the UK economy by 4%

 

The Economists For Free Trade group study challenges Whitehall analysis

Whitehall forecasts suggest growth could be 2 - 8 per cent lower over 15 years

But economists say these predictions ignore the potential benefits of free trade

They argued Whitehall forecasts are part of 'Project Fear' and are biased

 

 

 

Where's the link to the actual study and not to that vile toxic wasteland? I'd like to read the study to understand their rational, their model and their assumptions.

IMO the apparent correlation between educational attainment & Brexit voting is somewhat of a red herring.

 

Perhaps someone could explain why a degree in any subject *other* than Politics, Economics or possibly European History, would make a person more competent to decide how to vote on Brexit, than an average person on the street?

 

I don't see how a degree in one of the Sciences would help, for example?

University degrees teach you critical thinking and research skills that make you more inclined to look for sources and corroboration to what you’re being told. You look more for peer reviewed papers because that’s what is drilled into you as part of your studies.

 

Universities are often very outward looking, accepting and international entities. You’re constantly around people from other cultures and gain exposure to that. That exposure leads to understanding and tolerance and funnily enough reduces racism and bigotry. Something that has an extremely high correlation with a leave vote

Where's the link to the actual study and not to that vile toxic wasteland? I'd like to read the study to understand their rational, their model and their assumptions.

 

You could try Googling the name of the report : Alternative Brexit Economic Analysis

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University degrees teach you critical thinking and research skills that make you more inclined to look for sources and corroboration to what you’re being told. You look more for peer reviewed papers because that’s what is drilled into you as part of your studies.

 

Universities are often very outward looking, accepting and international entities. You’re constantly around people from other cultures and gain exposure to that. That exposure leads to understanding and tolerance and funnily enough reduces racism and bigotry. Something that has an extremely high correlation with a leave vote

 

I notice you've answered a somewhat different question to the one I asked - something you're only too keen to call me on, Namely...

 

'Perhaps someone could explain why a degree in any subject *other* than Politics, Economics or possibly European History, would make a person more competent to decide how to vote on Brexit, than an average person on the street?'

I answered that question exactly. Learn to read

It's your lucky day - another positive article about Brexit for you to try & debunk...

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-54...-economy-4.html

 

Brexit gloom debunked: Experts’ report says leaving the EU could BOOST the UK economy by 4%

 

The Economists For Free Trade group study challenges Whitehall analysis

Whitehall forecasts suggest growth could be 2 - 8 per cent lower over 15 years

But economists say these predictions ignore the potential benefits of free trade

They argued Whitehall forecasts are part of 'Project Fear' and are biased

 

The amazingly-optimistic assessment assumes that there will be marvellous free trade with Europe and the rest of the world from march 2019. That is an assumption based on wishful thinking, and not real-life. If every country could get free trade with the rest of the world then there would be no need for regualtions of any sort - anyone could export or import any old piece of poisonous shit wrapped up as reasonable quality - in other words a race to become cheapest piece of crap, which would be the end of British exports and our rather high-cost-of-living.

 

More to the point of the demands being made by rees-Mogg and lackeys is the demand that T. may refuse to agree any EU regulations are to stay after March 2019 - for example, the one where he stands to lose millions of pounds in offshore bank account tax avoiding. That is his real concern. Otherwise, what difference is it waiting another year or so? The difference is we will all get to see what he has been doing with his riches and may not want that law to be repealed, that's why.

 

Greed is a powerful motive.

 

IMO the apparent correlation between educational attainment & Brexit voting is somewhat of a red herring.

 

Perhaps someone could explain why a degree in any subject *other* than Politics, Economics or possibly European History, would make a person more competent to decide how to vote on Brexit, than an average person on the street?

 

I don't see how a degree in one of the Sciences would help, for example?

 

All it takes is intelligence and a capacity for rational thought and asking questions and logic.

 

A degree is not required (though I do have one, and it does help in training as Phil says).

 

The ability to read through a piece of propaganda and spot the BS a mile off isn't that difficult, it's just that most people have a passive acceptance and belief that if something has been written in print it must be true especially if it promises paradise and blames people that can be used as scapegoats for something that isn't their fault. Tried & tested eternal technique.

 

If you just read what you want to believe that is everyone's right - but it doesn't make it true any more than believing the earth is flat and the moon landings were fake makes it true. It just shows you to be deluded.

All it takes is intelligence and a capacity for rational thought and asking questions and logic.

 

A degree is not required (though I do have one, and it does help in training as Phil says).

 

The ability to read through a piece of propaganda and spot the BS a mile off isn't that difficult, it's just that most people have a passive acceptance and belief that if something has been written in print it must be true especially if it promises paradise and blames people that can be used as scapegoats for something that isn't their fault. Tried & tested eternal technique.

 

If you just read what you want to believe that is everyone's right - but it doesn't make it true any more than believing the earth is flat and the moon landings were fake makes it true. It just shows you to be deluded.

 

Although there were outright lies, such as the infamous £350m - the Remain side weren't squeaky clean either, with their exaggerations, like an emergency budget, and up to 3m jobs lost, for example.

 

While I can't speak for other Leavers, I like to think that I, personally, can see through most propaganda, even though I only went to college, rather than uni. ;)

 

As for scapegoating, sometimes I feel like I've been made one here, on behalf of the 17.4m other Leavers who don't post here. :coffee:

University degrees teach you critical thinking and research skills that make you more inclined to look for sources and corroboration to what you’re being told. You look more for peer reviewed papers because that’s what is drilled into you as part of your studies.

 

Universities are often very outward looking, accepting and international entities. You’re constantly around people from other cultures and gain exposure to that. That exposure leads to understanding and tolerance and funnily enough reduces racism and bigotry. Something that has an extremely high correlation with a leave vote

 

 

This is all perfectly said :cheer:

 

I don't have much to add other than I agree wholeheartedly with this post.

IMO the apparent correlation between educational attainment & Brexit voting is somewhat of a red herring.

 

Perhaps someone could explain why a degree in any subject *other* than Politics, Economics or possibly European History, would make a person more competent to decide how to vote on Brexit, than an average person on the street?

 

I don't see how a degree in one of the Sciences would help, for example?

Maybe my maths-based degree makes me more inclined to look at actual evidence.