Just watched the whole interview on Rees-Mogg Irish border issues, a good interviewer not letting him get away with the usual bullshit>

 

Essentially, and very loosely paraphrased:

 

Are we having any sort of Customs Union or Single Market?

 

JRM: No.

 

Are we having a hard border?

 

JRM: We havent got one now there is no reason to have one in the future.

 

What if there is no agreement and the EU/Irleand put up a border?

 

JRM: That won't happen but it's their choice.

 

What if it brings the troubles back?

 

JRM: It won't happen but if it does I dont give a shit because it's more important we cut all ties with the EU.

 

What id the PM goes for a Customs Partnership?

 

JRM: It wont' happen because she is a woman of her word and principle

 

But she's still pushing the idea forward and has told her cabinet to work out a solution?

 

JRM: I'm sure since she's a woman of principle she'll drop that idea

 

What if she doesn't?

 

JRM: Thats a hypothetical situation and I'm sure she will stick to her word as she's a woman of principle

 

But she agreed a back-stop agreement with a fall-back position that keeps N.I. in a sort of Customs arrangement and single market-ish agreement in the event of no agreement...

 

JRM: I'm sure she will do what I want because it's unthinkable she could hypothetically not do what I want.

 

Are you threatening her job?

 

JRM: No she's a woman of principle and that hypothetical unlikely situation won't happen even though she has agreed a vague back-stop solution and she can't get her ministers to agree and is pushing for a partnership and I dont need to listen to anyone who has worries and concerns about anything that doesn't fit in with my utter belief that everyone else is wrong and that I dont give a shit about Ireland or people, and I definitely won't comment on the implication that Mrs May could be chucked out and we can just leave the border open and trust that cross-border traffic between 2 sovereign nations that have no trade agreements will be just fine and dandy because I i'm rich and posh and oiks who don't agree with me don't matter.

 

I may have taken a few liberties with words, but thats the intent essentially....

 

He dodges even more questions than I do. :lol:

 

Fortunately I'm not a politician so it doesn't matter when I do it. :teresa:

You couldn't make it up part 843,609...

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/polit...s-a8347111.html

So in other words trying to take the piss by making the EU bigger to piss off other EU states and help it implode with racism. Or else because we wont be able to afford defence afterwards so we need a stable Europe so we can avoid getting into political messes. Or else cos we need the cash and will prostitute ourselves to do anything now.

 

for instance the UK is the biggest supplier of medicinal cannabis in the world. It's illegal to grow or buy here, and medicinal cannabis is not recognised by the NHS. How very two-face hypocritical that is. How very Tory.

 

UK2020: The New Goodies: We do anything anytime for any price, no reasonable offer refused...

The word farce has lost all meaning

I realise I post rather a lot of articles in this section, but if you only bother to read one of them, make it this one, because it summarises perfectly every Raging Brexiter right now and the illogic behind all the various claims and attitudes, and backs up with further links every observation made - so it can't be dismissed as just opinion, as the likes of Hannan & Rees-Mogg like to do.

 

Essentially for everything happening now and in the future they are arguing Brexit should be whatever they want it to mean, and if it fails it's because of other people, not them and their flawed obsessions. This article explains why the whole process and consequences for everything so IS their fault and the ones being deceived aren't Remainers (they saw through the lies) it's the attempt to keep lying to Leavers:

 

http://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.co.uk/...-away-from.html

 

 

I read that through Facebook earlier and was going to post it!!

 

Just shows the illogical thought behind Vidcapper et al's position

illegal activity proven between illegally co-operating Leave campaigns via facebook:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/m...MP=share_btn_tw

 

what this means:

 

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Your reminder of how far up this goes: two cabinet ministers @BorisJohnson & @michaelgove were part of Vote Leave's core group. They met daily to discuss the campaign. And two of @theresa_may's senior advisors directly oversaw BeLeave's campaign activities."

 

Or....the Tory Government.

 

I think we can assume they won't wish to charge themselves with illegal activity to win a very narrowly-won campaign which may have affected the result (or not - but if not why not stick to the rules?). Clearly they thought it would affect the result or they wouldn't have risked illegal activity to do it. So any claims to the contrary are BS. Oddly enough the ministers named all ran to be PM.........

Meanwhile, the owner of a company that requires frictionless borders to exist (the specialist frozen adhesive product sent to EU countries expires after 48 hours) has an opinion on how things are going....

 

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Five months on and still not even the faintest hint of a plan. We've managed to elect the worst government of my lifetime and simultaneously end up with a naive fool in charge of the opposition. #PeoplesVote please! "

Meanwhile, the owner of a company that requires frictionless borders to exist (the specialist frozen adhesive product sent to EU countries expires after 48 hours) has an opinion on how things are going....

 

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Five months on and still not even the faintest hint of a plan. We've managed to elect the worst government of my lifetime and simultaneously end up with a naive fool in charge of the opposition. #PeoplesVote please! "

 

Personally, I don't accept the notion that, 'just because something is difficult, that means we shouldn't do it, even if we voted for it' - but that seems to be one of the main planks of opposition to Brexit? :unsure:

Edited May 17, 20187 yr by vidcapper

It’s not that we shouldn’t do it because it’s difficult. It’s that we shouldn’t do it because it’s a stupid idea and those driving it are either far too racist to see beyond “ending free movement” or wilfully ignorant at the complexity of our relationship with the EU and the unmitigated disaster this is economically because all that matters to them is that they don’t want to hear Polish in Tesco

It’s not that we shouldn’t do it because it’s difficult. It’s that we shouldn’t do it because it’s a stupid idea and those driving it are either far too racist to see beyond “ending free movement” or wilfully ignorant at the complexity of our relationship with the EU and the unmitigated disaster this is economically because all that matters to them is that they don’t want to hear Polish in Tesco

 

You do realise the 'unmitigated disaster' claim is simply *that*?

 

The long-term consequences of Brexit cannot be proven one way or the other until it's actually happened, therefore cannot be used a reason to pre-emptively reject the referendum result.

 

To take a very trivial example : would you cancel a BBQ because it *might* rain, even before you'd seen a weather forecast?

And the fact our rights are being stripped away from us based on a 50+1% split, which is absurd. It is literally the definition of tyranny by majority (a very sslim majority). And the fact this is all happening against the wishes of the youth (80%) who WILL have to accept these MARVELKOUS long-term effects. If it is such a long-term effect you Brexiters are looking for ... then why is the youth voice ignored on this?

I live in Scotland. Only people planning BBQs this side of the border are dumbasses. BBQs are strictly spontaneous affairs because it probably will rain if you plan it.

 

And actually the level of economic disaster can be predicted and modelled accurately and has been. What’s not been given any rigorous assessment is the fanciful claims of the leave camps.

 

It is an easily proven fact that this will have a negative economic impact. Leaving the customs union will be an actual catastrophe. None of the technology the leavers have wet dreams about either 1) work or 2) exist. Hard border with customs checks is billions of Euros per day in lost productivity for the UK. We can’t afford to lose any more productivity!!

And the fact our rights are being stripped away from us based on a 50+1% split, which is absurd. It is literally the definition of tyranny by majority (a very sslim majority).

 

What you call Rights, I call opportunities

 

And the fact this is all happening against the wishes of the youth (80%) who WILL have to accept these MARVELKOUS long-term effects. If it is such a long-term effect you Brexiters are looking for ... then why is the youth voice ignored on this?

 

They had their chance to have their say on it, on 23/6/2016.

Edited May 17, 20187 yr by vidcapper

They did say it. The result was a 50/50 split, with the older generations voting for it when, if what you say about it being long-term is true, it should have been a decision taken by the youth? If it is a long-term decision, it is the youth who decide. And remember: it was an advisory vote, an OPINION. But what WAS that opinion> Is 52% enough to join an EU superstate? Is 52% enough for Hard Brexit? Leave promised soft and hard Brexits. Which one did 37% of the electorate vote for? is THAT democracy? One vote on one day in which opinion polls changed wildly on the weekly?? In a corrupt advisory vote with no safeguards? Really? That's having our say? Even though the youth vote is outnumbered? Even though under 18s could not vote (80% for)? If 52% isn't enough to join an EU superstate, and is 'unfinished business' according to the Elite Farage, then it's not enough for Hard Brexit in an advisory referendum with a simplistic binary question.

What you call Rights, I call opportunities

They had their chance to have their say on it, on 23/6/2016.

 

if I had a penny every time you repeat these vacuous phrases, I'd have close on a few quid by now...

 

You ignore evidence, and have nothing to offer as proof that it's going to eb anything other than a disaster. Even someone reporting that his business will collapse with borders just flies over your head along with the other pink elephants you see.

 

In case you hadnt noticed (fake headlines in the Telegraph/Express/Sun/Mail notwithstanding about "more jobs" and "more jobs for foreigners" than ever before - all part time and zero hour bullshit nonsense) the economy is already tanking in advance compared to other nations, and we havent left yet, we still have all the advantages of being in the EU.

 

What part of that do you not understand?

 

As for the referndum result. A result based on illegal activity by the main Leaver campaigners in my opinion nullifies the whole thing. It should be re-run once the final deal is known, and there can be NO LIES and NO PROPAGANDA. Everyone will know exactly what they are voting on, what the consequences are, and the result should be definitively the end of the whole matter.

 

Yes we accept the deal (still nowhere near even agreed by either Labour or Tory, never mind the f***ing EU) or no we stay in the EU.

 

It's the only sane response, only obsessed people with agendas would argue otherwise. That's what Nigel Farage wanted on election night after all, another referendum.....

The opportunity for the Tories to strip us of more rights?

if I had a penny every time you repeat these vacuous phrases, I'd have close on a few quid by now...

 

What is vacuous about saying people had their chance to vote on it - that is 100% pure truth!

 

As for the referendum result. A result based on illegal activity by the main Leaver campaigners in my opinion nullifies the whole thing.

 

You're welcome to hold that opinion - however, it changes nothing.

 

Yes and it was a 50/50 vote. Farage wanted a second referendum it was so close ... until he 'won' an advisory vote on a razor-thin margin with a simplistic binary question. The vote was an opinion, nothing more, an opinion none of us know exactly.