He did nothing wrong. He didn't shake the hand of a man who got him banned for 8 games, big deal. Most other players wouldn't do it either. I don't think Evra wanted to shake his hand either, it's only when Suarez blanks him that he suddenly wants to shake his hand again. Both players have handled the situation really badly. Evra would have been sent off in the first 30 seconds if it wasn't for Ferdinand getting in the way. And he was an absolute bellend at the final whistle. The handshake is a bigger than the football game. Just glad Liverpool don't have to play those horrible bast*rds for 9 months now.

 

How did you ever become a mod all you ever do is defend bigotry.

Suarez needs to return to South America if he refuses to behave with any grace and not show that he is a uncouth bigot

And, who comes off looking like one of the biggest pricks of the day? Alex Ferguson. The guy should be banned for not shaking the hand of a guy who got him banned for 8 games? What a ridiculous statement to make, and he's done nothing to tame down a situation that is already big enough as it is.

 

The game? Yes, we did deserve to lose today, and Manchester United were the better team.

 

Same old rubbish from Fergie. Guess he did a Wenger and forgot Evra winding up Suarez at the end. Apparently Suarez should never play for Liverpool again. The man is an alcoholic.

 

I've no complaints with the result, was too easy for Man Utd. Liverpool were lethargic. Gerrard's wasted playing deep. We did the same thing we did 4/5 years ago by gifting them silly goals (though it was nice of them to do it to us aswell). We had no spirit until the 90th minute. Too many players went missing when we went 2-0 down.

How did you ever become a mod all you ever do is defend bigotry.

Suarez needs to return to South America if he refuses to behave with any grace and not show that he is a uncouth bigot

 

Ok I will resign now if you want?

 

Suarez didn't behave with grace on the pitch today? Were you watching the same match I was? Did you not see some of the tackles that were coming off, most of them from behind? The only time he went "off the rail" so to speak was when he kicked the ball at the end. Understandable considering he felt Ferdinand had fouled him at the end. Would you shake the hand with someone you didn't like? I wouldn't. Why the FA didn't scrap it like they did for John Terry is beyond me.

 

Suppose you had your ear muffs on when Rooney was being interviewed and "racist bast*rd" was being sung by the Man Utd players and staff at the end.

And, who comes off looking like one of the biggest pricks of the day? Alex Ferguson. The guy should be banned for not shaking the hand of a guy who got him banned for 8 games? What a ridiculous statement to make, and he's done nothing to tame down a situation that is already big enough as it is.

 

The game? Yes, we did deserve to lose today, and Manchester United were the better team.

No, that would be Dalglish. He moaned when he was asked about Suarez an Sky and clearly told the BBC not to ask any questions about him. He also refused to attend the press conference for print journalists. By continuing to portray Suarez as a victim Dalglish is damaging Liverpool's reputation.

No, that would be Dalglish. He moaned when he was asked about Suarez an Sky and clearly told the BBC not to ask any questions about him. He also refused to attend the press conference for print journalists. By continuing to portray Suarez as a victim Dalglish is damaging Liverpool's reputation.

 

I don't think he's handling the situation very well, but he doesn't want to answer questions about the Suarez debate. The whole thing has taken over the football game. Why can't we talk about football instead? It's a media circus. Dalglish and Suarez still feel very bitter about the situation. It's ok to say they should accept it, but I think it is more complicated than that. Bt accepting it, it is an admission of guilt.

 

Suarez was never going to come out this day well. Even though he was the best Liverpool player on the pitch.

Ok I will resign now if you want?

 

Suarez didn't behave with grace on the pitch today? Were you watching the same match I was? Did you not see some of the tackles that were coming off, most of them from behind? The only time he went "off the rail" so to speak was when he kicked the ball at the end. Understandable considering he felt Ferdinand had fouled him at the end. Would you shake the hand with someone you didn't like? I wouldn't. Why the FA didn't scrap it like they did for John Terry is beyond me.

 

Suppose you had your ear muffs on when Rooney was being interviewed and "racist bast*rd" was being sung by the Man Utd players and staff at the end.

 

Can you honestly blame them for singing it? Jesus, he's been found guilty of a pretty serious offence so he's BOUND to get abuse for it. As for Evra being the man who "got him banned", I wasn't aware he was a ventriloquist controlling the words coming out of Suarez's mouth. He may be a prick but he was racially abused, then actually had the honour to attempt to reconcile things by shaking Suarez's hand and was refused. Given all that I thought his celebrations at the end were rather tasteful.

Can you honestly blame them for singing it? Jesus, he's been found guilty of a pretty serious offence so he's BOUND to get abuse for it. As for Evra being the man who "got him banned", I wasn't aware he was a ventriloquist controlling the words coming out of Suarez's mouth. He may be a prick but he was racially abused, then actually had the honour to attempt to reconcile things by shaking Suarez's hand and was refused. Given all that I thought his celebrations at the end were rather tasteful.

This is the last time I'm gonna get dragged into this

 

People also forget that Suarez ADMITTED the charge, you can't argue with that. Suarez got himself banned.

 

Liverpool fans need to stop letting their club bias get in the way of their judgement, I think maybe Evra's celebrations at the end were a bit over the top but Suarez refused to shake Evra's hand, tried to get Rio sent off (Jamie Redknapp was lol at half time) and then kicked the ball away at the end of the first half. Doesn't matter what context it was or where what he said was acceptable, the fact is he DID say what he said, he ADMITTED it, he ACCEPTED the ban and he's now served it. He should at least try to redeem himself and move on, end of story.

It's very telling that Liverpool fans seem to be alone in defending Suarez and Dalglish. It's rare to see such unanimity on a matter like this.

Can you honestly blame them for singing it? Jesus, he's been found guilty of a pretty serious offence so he's BOUND to get abuse for it. As for Evra being the man who "got him banned", I wasn't aware he was a ventriloquist controlling the words coming out of Suarez's mouth. He may be a prick but he was racially abused, then actually had the honour to attempt to reconcile things by shaking Suarez's hand and was refused. Given all that I thought his celebrations at the end were rather tasteful.

 

Can I blame them for singing it... yes. It is not needed. Be happy that you have won a game at football, but that's too far. Then I again I would expect nothingless from the classless morons who sung "we won it three times without killing anyone" when they last won the Champions League. Suarez said something to Evra I don't deny that, and yes it was offensive, but Evra was no saint in the situation aswell by saying some pretty abusive things to Suarez.

 

 

Did Suarez not shake his hand? He doesn't shake his hands he's the devil. Evra refuses to shake his hand - oh poor old Evra standing up to the racist. I don't think either wanted to shake each other's hand, but surprise surprise as soon as Evra realises he's been snubbed, what does he do? Looks straight in to the TV cameras and points. Wanting ti "talk" with Suarez at half-time is perhaps the most absurb thing I have ever heard of, and his actions at the end were moronic. Done only to wind Suarez up. Funny how there's more media attention on the handshake than the aftermath. Which one is more likely to incense crowd trouble after the game?

 

This is the last time I'm gonna get dragged into this

 

People also forget that Suarez ADMITTED the charge, you can't argue with that. Suarez got himself banned.

 

Liverpool fans need to stop letting their club bias get in the way of their judgement, I think maybe Evra's celebrations at the end were a bit over the top but Suarez refused to shake Evra's hand, tried to get Rio sent off (Jamie Redknapp was lol at half time) and then kicked the ball away at the end of the first half. Doesn't matter what context it was or where what he said was acceptable, the fact is he DID say what he said, he ADMITTED it, he ACCEPTED the ban and he's now served it. He should at least try to redeem himself and move on, end of story.

 

Yes admitted saying it once. Not the seven times that Evra has the world believing.

 

Apparently Daniel Agger offered Ferdinand out for a fight after the game, unsurprisingly, he didn't take up the offer :lol:

Can I blame them for singing it... yes. It is not needed. Be happy that you have won a game at football, but that's too far. Then I again I would expect nothingless from the classless morons who sung "we won it three times without killing anyone" when they last won the Champions League. Suarez said something to Evra I don't deny that, and yes it was offensive, but Evra was no saint in the situation aswell by saying some pretty abusive things to Suarez.

 

As soon as it enters racist territory you cross the line though - Evra is a little wind-up merchant and maybe he was looking a reaction but there's absolutely no excuse for what Suarez said - even if he did only say it once.

 

And I detest United to my core but even I find that chant almost amusing.

Both players are utter morons, they're wind-up merchants who get under the skins of opposition fans and players, there's nothing wrong with that generally but it can be taken too far. I think Evra has been generally right on the boundary of what's acceptable but Suarez and Liverpool's defence of him have crossed it really. Liverpool have always been one of the most hated teams in the country and their fans love to play up on that, but they're really making it easy at the moment, appalling.

 

 

I have to admit as I've been at the Forest game today I commented without seeing any of it, seeing this picture did make me wonder why there was such a fuss made, then I watched the video. Are Liverpool fans really using that as a defence?! DEAR ME! Whatever Evra may or may not have done to portray Suarez as innocent is just baffling, he doesn't for once stop to even think about shaking Evra's hand, his had is only in that position because he's moving it straight to De Gea!

Can I blame them for singing it... yes. It is not needed. Be happy that you have won a game at football, but that's too far. Then I again I would expect nothingless from the classless morons who sung "we won it three times without killing anyone" when they last won the Champions League. Suarez said something to Evra I don't deny that, and yes it was offensive, but Evra was no saint in the situation aswell by saying some pretty abusive things to Suarez.

 

 

Did Suarez not shake his hand? He doesn't shake his hands he's the devil. Evra refuses to shake his hand - oh poor old Evra standing up to the racist. I don't think either wanted to shake each other's hand, but surprise surprise as soon as Evra realises he's been snubbed, what does he do? Looks straight in to the TV cameras and points. Wanting ti "talk" with Suarez at half-time is perhaps the most absurb thing I have ever heard of, and his actions at the end were moronic. Done only to wind Suarez up. Funny how there's more media attention on the handshake than the aftermath. Which one is more likely to incense crowd trouble after the game?

 

Give it up and stop embarrassing yourself, Suarez is a knob and I hope he continues to behave like a bigoted fool and faces another ban.

Too true, what a disgrace Dalglish has become as well.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/20...arez?CMP=twt_gu

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I have to admit as I've been at the Forest game today I commented without seeing any of it, seeing this picture did make me wonder why there was such a fuss made, then I watched the video. Are Liverpool fans really using that as a defence?! DEAR ME! Whatever Evra may or may not have done to portray Suarez as innocent is just baffling, he doesn't for once stop to even think about shaking Evra's hand, his had is only in that position because he's moving it straight to De Gea!

 

No I don't think Suarez was ever going to shake Evra's hand. I am just showing that picture as proof that I don't think Evra wanted to shake his hand either. Its a difficult situation for both of them. They both don't like each other evidently, so why should they have to shake hands. Both players are in the wrong, and both have not done themselves any favours. But what I can't stand is the media reaction and Evra, and Man Utd fans taking the moral highground. Fair enough if Suarez doesn't want to shake his hand, but Evra makes a complete meal out of it.

 

Give it up and stop embarrassing yourself, Suarez is a knob and I hope he continues to behave like a bigoted fool and faces another ban.

Too true, what a disgrace Dalglish has become as well.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/20...arez?CMP=twt_gu

 

You're an idiot aren't you? That article is complete nonsense. I wouldn't shake the hand of a man I detest. Nor would any man with a spread of manhood and dignity, regardless of what conext. Evra was a complete knob at the final whistle, if I was Suarez I would have punched him. Complete over-reaction done to incite the guy. Come back to me when you can inform your own opinion instead of reading media outlets and basing your opinion on their word.

No I don't think Suarez was ever going to shake Evra's hand. I am just showing that picture as proof that I don't think Evra wanted to shake his hand either. Its a difficult situation for both of them. They both don't like each other evidently, so why should they have to shake hands. Both players are in the wrong, and both have not done themselves any favours. But what I can't stand is the media reaction and Evra, and Man Utd fans taking the moral highground. Fair enough if Suarez doesn't want to shake his hand, but Evra makes a complete meal out of it.

You're an idiot aren't you? That article is complete nonsense. I wouldn't shake the hand of a man I detest. Nor would any man with a spread of manhood and dignity, regardless of what conext. Evra was a complete knob at the final whistle, if I was Suarez I would have punched him. Complete over-reaction done to incite the guy. Come back to me when you can inform your own opinion instead of reading media outlets and basing your opinion on their word.

I don't think Evra particularly wanted to shake Suarez's hand but he was prepared to do it to try and draw a line under the matter. Suarez doesn't seem to have had the intelligence to work that out.

 

Evra's behaviour after the match was ill-advised and Ferguson has come pretty close to saying so. Dalglish, in contrast, won't accept that Suarez is capable of doing anything wrong. If Suarez got totally plastered, got in his car and mowed down a bus queue of a dozen people, Dalglish would still find a way of blaming someone else.

Good wins for Spurs and Everton ... not much else to comment on, then.

 

Just a few points about the whole Evra-Suarez incident ...

 

1. I would've preferred Suarez to have shaken Evra's hand, if only to 'draw a line under the whole thing'. I do understand why he didn't do it and believe Suarez shouldn't be made to shake hands with Evra.

2. The British media have kept this whole scenario running ... to their advantage (after all, it's an easy write up). They could 'draw a line under the whole thing'but choose not to.

3. There's footage on youtube of Gary Neville refusing to shake Peter Schmichael's hand - Schmichael was playing for Man City. Did the media highlight this -Schmichael's 'crime' being playing for City? Did Ferguson label this 'a disgrace'?

4. When Cantona 'Kung Fu Kicked' a Crystal Palace fan in the mid 90s did another football manager label this a disgrace? Or Rio Ferdinand missing a drugs test - was this a disgrace? Was another manager calling for them to be sold?

5. When a manager of a top football team refuses for years to speak to the BBC because of a documenatry investigation into his family, was this a disgrace? Was it petty? Was it a petty disgrace?

6. On Monday night Gareth Bale simulated (which, when I was a child ,we called cheating) by falling over thin air. No media hysteria. How woluld this have been protrayed if Suarez had simulated? No media hsyteria?

7. Has there been a reaction from those great fair minded moralists of our age on Twitter? Those pair of paragons of virtue Wayne Rooney (who cheated on his pregnant wife) and Rio Ferdinand (who missed a drugs test). (I geneuinely do know since I'm not on Twitter).

I honestly think that the main problem is Dalglish, the man is an utter moron. Fergie came out and said Evra's celebrations went a little too far and he probably shouldn't have done it, but it was three months of pent up frustration of receiving so much abuse for doing nothing wrong, but Kenny's the one that makes everything worse, his interviews are completely pathetic and I agree with Suedehead that it wouldn't matter what Suarez did he would find a way of blaming someone else.

 

With the original incident there was a significant minority who supported Liverpool, Dalglish and Suarez in both football in general and in the media. After yesterday, the minority seems to have been reduced to just fans of Liverpool. There's an excellent article in today's Observer by Daniel Taylor. Of course, the general reaction from Liverpool fans is that he's a dirty Manc c**t, forgetting that he's born and raised a lover of Brian Clough and Nottingham Forest, and he's been banned from Man Utd press conferences for over 3 years now.

Suarez-Evra

 

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Moving on, what is it about Everton? Two managers from top teams have failed to do their homework about this side according to the football news I have been looking at. Mancini said something about that at the post match interview and Jason on You're On Sky Sports! mentioned Villas Boas doing the same thing. Not sure how patient Roman will be with AVB with that admission. I think AVB might be in danger of slipping nearer to Roman's firing line.

I don't think Evra particularly wanted to shake Suarez's hand but he was prepared to do it to try and draw a line under the matter. Suarez doesn't seem to have had the intelligence to work that out.

 

Evra's behaviour after the match was ill-advised and Ferguson has come pretty close to saying so. Dalglish, in contrast, won't accept that Suarez is capable of doing anything wrong. If Suarez got totally plastered, got in his car and mowed down a bus queue of a dozen people, Dalglish would still find a way of blaming someone else.

 

Perhaps Evra was prepared to shake his hand, but the matter will never be drawn under the line. Perhaps by the players, but not by the media. They don't like each other, fair enough. Perhaps Suarez should have shaken his hand for the greater good, but he didn't. Alex Ferguson is a hypocrite, and is a master astusing mind games. You seem to have by-passed the part in his interview where he said Suarez is a disgrace for not shaking his hand, and Liverpol should sell him. THOSE comments are a disgrace. No manager should have the right to say something like that to the media. Infact no other manager would say that, only Gin-Soak. He admits Evra was in the wrong, probably because he realises that the FA might take action against him for his celebrations because they were not clever, and the guy was evidently behind the tunnel incident at half-time.

 

Of course Dalglish won't publiclly lambaster Suarez, why would he? Suarez's reputation has been ruined, and is despised by every opposing football fan in the country just about. The incident has, and still won't for a long time leave his head. So Dalglish comes out and publically critises Liverpool's best player. Great way to make him pack his bags and leave the country. Privately I wouldn't be surprised if Dalglish is upset by what Suarez did, but no other manager would come out and single out one player, so I don't see why Dalglish should.

 

 

I honestly think that the main problem is Dalglish, the man is an utter moron. Fergie came out and said Evra's celebrations went a little too far and he probably shouldn't have done it, but it was three months of pent up frustration of receiving so much abuse for doing nothing wrong, but Kenny's the one that makes everything worse, his interviews are completely pathetic and I agree with Suedehead that it wouldn't matter what Suarez did he would find a way of blaming someone else.

 

With the original incident there was a significant minority who supported Liverpool, Dalglish and Suarez in both football in general and in the media. After yesterday, the minority seems to have been reduced to just fans of Liverpool. There's an excellent article in today's Observer by Daniel Taylor. Of course, the general reaction from Liverpool fans is that he's a dirty Manc c**t, forgetting that he's born and raised a lover of Brian Clough and Nottingham Forest, and he's been banned from Man Utd press conferences for over 3 years now.

 

Dalglish is cold in interviews, I don't think he comes across very well. He tries to be clever, which is fair enough. He doesn't like the media, and evidently now the media have turned on him completely.