*Me* stop progagandizing? :wacko: You're the one who has a delusional 19th C view of the Tories!

 

I see myself as a little more pragmatic where political parties are concerned.

 

But you repeat the same lies about austerity and Labour no matter how many times we tell you the ACTUAL truth. You blame LABOUR for MAD MAY'S massive cuts to policing.

 

My view is the accurate one. They have NEVER changed.

 

If the over 40's don't want to pay for it perhaps they should stop hoarding all this countries f***ing wealth then coz the millennials sure as shit don't earn enough to subsidise this. All the multi-millionaire 40+ wealth hoarding w*n**rs who only give out unpaid internships and low pay then moan about millennials can pay for this.

You know as well as I do that the people you're referring to manage to avoid paying tax on most of their income. We don't increase income tax at 40 on the grounds that people over 40 are closer to drawing their pension; why should it be increased because they might be closer to needing long-term care?

You know as well as I do that the people you're referring to manage to avoid paying tax on most of their income. We don't increase income tax at 40 on the grounds that people over 40 are closer to drawing their pension; why should it be increased because they might be closer to needing long-term care?

That's my point..... They should be made to pay their taxes.

 

National Insurance funds your pension, not income tax, and it's based on contributions throughout your working life. Not enough contributions impacts the level of benefits you get as a pensioner.

 

If this system works on the same premise, of you start paying in at 40 and as long as you have enough years of credits you get the benefit, then I have absolutely no problem with it and will happily contribute aged 40.

 

 

Why are the older generation so content to pass the burden of this onto Millennials? Why don't you think you should pay your way?

Personally I quite liked Ed Miliband's so-called mansion tax or some kind of land-value tax instead, because wealth inequality is the bigger problem here IMO.

If the over 40's don't want to pay for it perhaps they should stop hoarding all this countries f***ing wealth then coz the millennials sure as shit don't earn enough to subsidise this. All the multi-millionaire 40+ wealth hoarding w*n**rs who only give out unpaid internships and low pay then moan about millennials can pay for this.

 

You are aware that far from all over-40's are wealthy?

But you repeat the same lies about austerity and Labour no matter how many times we tell you the ACTUAL truth. You blame LABOUR for MAD MAY'S massive cuts to policing.

 

My view is the accurate one. They have NEVER changed.

 

People do not like paying taxes, period.

 

Any time they claim to, it is some group other than themselves that they propose the burden falls on - curious that... :rolleyes:

Edited December 3, 20186 yr by vidcapper

Personally I quite liked Ed Miliband's so-called mansion tax or some kind of land-value tax instead, because wealth inequality is the bigger problem here IMO.

It wasn’t Ed Miliband’s idea. Labour took it from the Lib Dems, specifically Vince Cable.

People do not like paying taxes, period.

 

Any time they claim to, it is some group other than themselves that they propose the burden falls on - curious that... :rolleyes:

 

I'm not rich in any way but I like paying taxes believe it or not, it's the price of living in a civilised society understanding that we all move forward together or don't move forward at all.

I'm not rich in any way but I like paying taxes believe it or not, it's the price of living in a civilised society understanding that we all move forward together or don't move forward at all.

 

But presumably you wouldn't volunteer to pay more than you owe... ;)

 

But in terms of taxation, I think it's the big corporations like Amazon, Starbucks etc who should be the main targets, rather than individuals.

But in terms of taxation, I think it's the big corporations like Amazon, Starbucks etc who should be the main targets, rather than individuals.

 

OMG, something I actually agree with Paul on!

OMG, something I actually agree with Paul on!

 

Well, I keep telling you I'm not right wing on the economy... ;)

If the over 40's don't want to pay for it perhaps they should stop hoarding all this countries f***ing wealth then coz the millennials sure as shit don't earn enough to subsidise this. All the multi-millionaire 40+ wealth hoarding w*n**rs who only give out unpaid internships and low pay then moan about millennials can pay for this.

 

Ageism is against the Equalities Act and any political party which introduced age-specific taxation would be slaughtered. older people who have been paying tax for 45 years to look after previous older generations pay twice for the privilege of being old ourselves when our turn comes? It's all about paying paying taxes THROUGHOUT YOUR LIFE until it's your turn.

 

A few "f***ing" wealthy "w*n**rs" who tax dodge thanks to other rich "w*n**rs" do not represent the vast amount of older people who have paid taxes all their life and provided a society that young people have all the advantages of - even if recent political rich tosspots have been doing their best to ignore them including all of the political parties in power, none of whom I agree with. That's like slagging off all young people for some tosspot scrounging lazy do-nothings who sponge of the state and contribute nothing in taxes. It's called. "trying to change the subject because I have no basis to support my rather-glib instant reaction to something that seemed a good idea before I thought about it and other people pointed out the inherent unfairness of it"

 

What you are proposing is in effect lower taxes for your generation compared to people who have already spent their life paying taxes, so over 40's get hit twice (and trust me as I care for my older parents who get virtually zero help from the state, as in NOTHING WHATSOEVER apart from emergency surgery and free prescriptions, that I am poorer for having to do it so my own old age would with your brilliantly and deeply-thought analysis make me even poorer than I'm having to make myself as I head into old age with no kids to care for me or look after me.)

 

Thanks for your empathic support.

The prize for the best Christmas card of the year may well be going to Mr Ed Miliband for a card that both makes a political point and takes the piss out of himself.

 

Seen that on twitter, aul Ed should return to the cabinet lol

BTW - a big thank you to Brett Butler for closing the EU thread, it'll be a relief not to hear Remainers complaining about it for a few days... ;)

Edited December 21, 20186 yr by vidsanta

BTW - a big thank you to Brett Butler for closing the EU thread, it'll be a relief not to hear Remainers complaining about it for a few days... ;)

Try putting up with moaning for 40 years....

Try putting up with moaning for 40 years....

 

I'd be happy with that, as long as we're out. ;)

And yet 80% of the youth want in. Sooo how long would we even br out? :)

And yet 80% of the youth want in. Sooo how long would we even br out? :)

 

Newsflash : the young are not the *only* voters... :rolleyes:

 

Correct me if I'm wrong - but you seem to believe that the votes of over-50's shouldn't count as much, as 'they won't be around to face the long-term consequences of their choices'?

I'd be happy with that, as long as we're out. ;)

Your moaning about 2 years worth of moaning suggests it'll still be same people doing the moaning. Mostly from the other side it'll be factual "i told you so" statements.

 

Plus, saying thank you for closing down a brexit thread that you caused and hijacking another thread to carry it on suggests you arent happy about your comments closing it down at all.

 

This thread is for non eu brexit items for those BOBs out there...