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Brett-Butler
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Does Usenet still exist? :o

 

Obviously, :P

 

I think it's the same as mumsnet, a bunch of middle class not young posters.

 

And as such, still more representative of the voting population than the generally left-leaning, EU loving, membership of Buzzjack. :teresa:

 

The article is rubbish of course. It moans about Brtexiteers all being lumped into one homgenous whole who had made their minds up decades ago - this is not true. It lumps anyone who doesn;t support Brexit into one liberal wishy washy homogenous whole, which is also not true, and provides no evidence that any of the main problems with Brexit are not lies.

 

It states we should be looking at what caused the feeling that led to the anti0EU feeling - yes we should, and address those issues. It doesnt say what they are though. It doesnt say how brexit will resolve those issues. It doesnt say much of anyhting at all. Just ahve a go at remaioners really, and that's that.

 

If Brexiteers have made their minds up, and wont change and remain deleriously happy, then there is no reason at all not to have a final say on the final deal, because they will all 100% no doubt still be 52% majority in favout of the final brexit deal.

 

Unless of course, the assumption behind the statements isn't actually true and it's all bollocks.

 

Compared to what I expected you to say about the article, that is relatively complementary. :heehee:

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Obviously, :P

And as such, still more representative of the voting population than the generally left-leaning, EU loving, membership of Buzzjack. :teresa:

Compared to what I expected you to say about the article, that is relatively complementary. :heehee:

 

so you posted a bollocks article with nothing to say, nothing practical to offer on our future, and have no comment on me pointing that out or disagreeing with any of those points?

 

Sounds about right....

Must be a good deal being a lawyer that represents Remainers nowadays - thousands of people prepared to stuff money into your pockets over legal challenges that about as likely to succeed as Dr Crippin's defence team. :P

 

The latest : https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/a...o-weeks-respond

 

as opposed to Aaron banks bankrolling a campaign with Russian money, farage making shitloads out of the pound plummeting when he knew the real ref result, and previous legal cases against an undemocratic government WHICH THE COMPLAINANTS WON!

 

Such a short memory you have.....

so you posted a bollocks article with nothing to say, nothing practical to offer on our future, and have no comment on me pointing that out or disagreeing with any of those points?

 

Sounds about right....

 

So, you're saying I should apply to be a Guardian journalist, then? :teresa:

 

Seriously though, why do you believe that I am obliged to comment on everything like that I post?

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as opposed to Aaron banks bankrolling a campaign with Russian money, farage making shitloads out of the pound plummeting when he knew the real ref result

 

Since you ask, I don't have a problem with that. All campaigns have donors who their opponents are not happy about.

 

, and previous legal cases against an undemocratic government WHICH THE COMPLAINANTS WON!

 

Such a short memory you have.....

 

The previous cases you refer to were ones about parliamentary procedure, not attempting to overturn a democratic vote.

 

Since you ask, I don't have a problem with that. All campaigns have donors who their opponents are not happy about.

The previous cases you refer to were ones about parliamentary procedure, not attempting to overturn a democratic vote.

Foreign funding of British election and referendum campaigns is illegal.

So, you're saying I should apply to be a Guardian journalist, then? :teresa:

 

Seriously though, why do you believe that I am obliged to comment on everything like that I post?

 

You don't have to comment on anything. You've spent 2 years not commenting on any helpful ways to make Brexit work, just content to sit back, let it implode and then blame the Tories afterwards. And 2 years posting the same thing essentially...

 

"I'm right because I'm right and here's someone else who thinks I'm right"

 

(pause for non-article with non-facts and avoidance of reality)

 

Repeating "The sky Is Pink and here's someone else who supports my view without facts" doesn't change the basic fact that the sky is blue.

 

WE got the picture 2 years ago, so you can safely retire in the knowledge that everything Remain said is true, or about to come true, and everything Leave said is a provable lie. I've given hundreds of examples. Still waiting for you to give one....

The previous cases you refer to were ones about parliamentary procedure, not attempting to overturn a democratic vote.

 

"Traitors Of The People" was the Brexiter accusations.

 

Campaigning for a final DEMOCRATIC say, one person one vote, on the final deal, is not undemocratic. Forcing the population to accept a deal they were promised wasn't ever going to happen is undemocratic.

 

You just don't seem to understand the concept of the people having a say when the politicians f*** it up.....

"Traitors Of The People" was the Brexiter accusations.

 

I thought that was just a Mail headline?

 

Campaigning for a final DEMOCRATIC say, one person one vote, on the final deal, is not undemocratic. Forcing the population to accept a deal they were promised wasn't ever going to happen is undemocratic.

 

You just don't seem to understand the concept of the people having a say when the politicians f*** it up.....

 

As far as I am concerned, that was exactly what we did on 23/6/2016.

You can't call it a democratic vote while gleefully accepting millions in illegal donations. A vote funded by illegal means cannot be democratic.
You can't call it a democratic vote while gleefully accepting millions in illegal donations. A vote funded by illegal means cannot be democratic.

 

Given that Remain effectively benefited from £9.5m of taxpayers money via the gov't's pro-EU leaflet, the 'illegal' donations Leave may have received are just a drop in the ocean.

Given that Remain effectively benefited from £9.5m of taxpayers money via the gov't's pro-EU leaflet, the 'illegal' donations Leave may have received are just a drop in the ocean.

 

The govt currently enjoys free propaganda from the BBC and Murdoch press and Skynews

 

Is that fair and democratic?

 

Given that Remain effectively benefited from £9.5m of taxpayers money via the gov't's pro-EU leaflet, the 'illegal' donations Leave may have received are just a drop in the ocean.

You seem reluctant to draw a distinction between legal and illegal campaigning. Besides, if the cost of the government leaflet is counted, surely it is reasonable to estimate a value for the front pages of the Sun, Mail and Express for the campaign. After all, most of their front pages were effectively leaflets for the Leave campaign - leaflets prominently displayed in thousands of shops up and down the country and shown on all the news channels.

The U.K. Government did a similar leaflet drop during the IndyRef. I don’t remember your protests then
Wasn't the leaflet just informative anyway? And hardly overcomes millions spent for weeks on end afterwards! Most leaflets just get binned and forgotten
I thought that was just a Mail headline?

As far as I am concerned, that was exactly what we did on 23/6/2016.

 

1. No. Farage and other huge lying Brexit twats also said it.

2. ...and had they acted honourably, presented the truth for a fair choice, and not been involved in illegal practices and corrupt finances for their own personal gain then we would have no argument to repeat a democratic referendum just 3 years later. Your repeating the same line day after day, month after month, year after year, doesn't change the fact that we were lied to, and all of the liars who lied have all changed their tune, and admitted it will be a massive economic blow for years to come, if not decades. that's not what they promised. None of them. They didn't promise to devastate the NHS (I'm currently waiting 5 months for an urgent appointment) they promised to put more money into it. They lied. So the referendum was a fraud. And the public were the mugs.

 

They want and deserve another say. Just like you wanted a say, were given it, and then found it was impossible to win the argument without resorting to corruption and lies. So it's not democracy. A second vote based on facts will be.

 

Don't bother repeating the line you repeat every time you have no comeback because it makes you come over like a blinkered, undemocratic angry old Victor Meldrew, and I'm sure you wouldnt want that! "I don't BELIEVE IT!!! The nerve of some people demanding to have a vote on something that will affect their well-being for the rest of their lives! Of course we should let the non-experts who hate experts and who lie to us on every issue ruin the bloody country, then resign when the useless shower fail to do what they promised and just moan as the country hits the skids."

 

Oh hang on, that's ME sounding like Victor Meldrew, not you.... :P

The govt currently enjoys free propaganda from the BBC and Murdoch press and Skynews

 

Is that fair and democratic?

 

The GUardian is pro-Remain, but do i complain about that?

The U.K. Government did a similar leaflet drop during the IndyRef. I don’t remember your protests then

 

Well, given that was for Scotland alone, why would I even know there was a leaflet?

The GUardian is pro-Remain, but do i complain about that?

The Guardian's front pages in the referendum did not look like a campaign leaflet.

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